15:03:00 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:03:03 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:03:07 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:03:26 * jreznik is here... likely...
15:03:29 <adamw> ahoyhoy folks
15:03:34 * roshi is here
15:03:36 <sgallagh> /me lurks
15:03:59 * nirik is also in the back lurking, ping if I can help with anything.
15:04:11 * randomuser hangs around to see what happens
15:06:56 <adamw> #chair roshi nirik
15:06:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw nirik roshi
15:06:59 <adamw> anyone else?
15:07:19 * adamw wonders if there was a particularly good happy hour in brno last night
15:07:39 <nirik> perhaps it's a 'drink some beer' holiday there? ;)
15:07:49 <sgallagh> nirik: I think they call that "Friday"
15:07:55 * jreznik is not aware of any!
15:07:57 <nirik> days ending in y?
15:08:37 <jreznik> nirik: well, are friday ends with k :)
15:10:08 * adamw does a bit of poking in #fedora-qa
15:10:14 <adamw> give it a couple of minutes then we'll go ahead
15:12:24 * tflink is here
15:13:28 <adamw> ahoy tflink
15:13:33 <adamw> alrighty, let's go for it
15:13:56 <adamw> #topic Fedora 22 Alpha final check-in
15:15:13 <adamw> so two obvious things we need to get done: get the SELinux update tested and pushed stable, and get Common Bugs up
15:15:27 <adamw> anyone have anything else related to Alpha release? any thoughts on the testing process etc?
15:15:51 <sgallagh> /me has been working on both of those things this morning
15:17:07 <nirik> when's the first beta tc? ;)
15:18:15 * jreznik is looking
15:18:23 <adamw> 03-17
15:18:42 <jreznik> Tue 2015-03-17
15:18:44 <nirik> cool. next week. I think early tc's really help
15:19:04 <roshi> aside from the final push there, I thought the testing went well for Alpha
15:19:07 <jreznik> nirik: yeah, it helped last few releases
15:19:48 * adamw will set to Colada to run against nightlies until TC1...
15:20:17 <jreznik> that's another thing - nightlies coverage, even earlier than TC1 hits, thanks for that
15:20:40 <nirik> yeah. rawhide ones are even currently working nicely.
15:20:45 <jreznik> sgallagh: where we are with selinux update?
15:21:25 <sgallagh> jreznik: +2 karma so far
15:22:09 <adamw> nirik: only lives though right, not boot.iso ?
15:22:21 <adamw> openqa doesn't run on lives yet, i'm hoping to get a bit of time to work on that this wek
15:22:23 <adamw> also week.
15:22:25 <nirik> haven't looked at boot, let me see.
15:22:48 <nirik> oh right, thats broken
15:23:05 <nirik> in rawhide. we need dnf handling in pungi
15:23:13 <drago01> lets do a -7 day slip for a chnage ;)
15:23:16 <drago01> *change
15:23:47 <nirik> not sure where dgilmore was with that...
15:23:57 <nirik> drago01: release early? boy would that confuse people. ;)
15:24:04 <drago01> ;)
15:24:10 <adamw> i'm very scared
15:24:42 * nirik notes the only fedora releases since we have had alpha/beta that haven't had a slip at alpha were 9, 10, and 17.
15:24:52 <adamw> yaay
15:24:55 <roshi> I don't think kparal has that much PTO for us to sneak an early release in :p
15:24:55 <adamw> the plan is working
15:25:15 <adamw> roshi: we can task him to work on Xfce validation. :P
15:25:24 <jreznik> roshi: you mean https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1583169688619787&set=gm.10152630948241573&type=1
15:25:24 <sgallagh> Personally, I'm really glad we managed to ship Alpha on time. We needed that after 21
15:25:24 <roshi> :D
15:25:48 <roshi> haha
15:25:49 <sgallagh> :-D
15:25:52 <adamw> haha, that's awesome
15:26:11 <adamw> #info new Acceptable Alternative Fedora QA Desktop Background: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1583169688619787&set=gm.10152630948241573&type=1
15:26:12 <drago01> lol
15:26:31 <nirik> ha
15:26:33 <adamw> alrighty, so we're mostly happy with alpha
15:26:53 <adamw> i'll work on the commonbugs today, but any help is welcome
15:27:42 <adamw> #topic Fedora 22 Beta planning
15:27:52 <adamw> alrighty, so we kinda shaded into this already, but let's have the topic anyways
15:28:01 <adamw> #info Beta TC1 is scheduled for 2015-03-17
15:28:33 <adamw> #action adamw to schedule openQA runs on nightlies until then
15:30:25 <adamw> i'd really, really like it if we could run the Beta-level (and Final-level!) validation tests on Alpha and/or snapshots before TC1
15:30:31 <adamw> catch the blockers early
15:30:37 <adamw> ahoy pschindl
15:30:40 <roshi> sounds like a good plan to me
15:30:50 <pschindl> adamw: Good morning.
15:30:53 <pschindl> hi all
15:31:09 * pschindl missed the train. So he is late.
15:31:22 <adamw> what did you do with all the others? :)
15:32:02 <adamw> apart from that...on the Server SIG side we need to get the database role requirements in place and test cases drawn up, as that was missed for Alpha, but so far we've been keeping that mostly outside of QA caring about it (yay separation of powers)
15:32:19 <adamw> do we have any other criteria/test plan issues that need sorting ahead of Beta?
15:32:33 * adamw would like to revise the updates test cases to split out notification from install and graphical from console...
15:33:12 * roshi thought we did that already
15:34:27 <adamw> roshi: i don't think so? it's all one big test case which forms two 'test instances' (rows in the matrices)
15:34:45 <roshi> I probably mis-remember
15:34:51 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_desktop_updates
15:35:42 <roshi> well, in my head it's already done :p
15:36:42 * jreznik was confused a bit as he thought it was done too but it wasn't :)
15:37:09 <adamw> roshi: can i come and live in your head? it sounds like an improved universe!
15:37:31 <roshi> sure, there's plenty of room
15:37:42 <roshi> jreznik is here too
15:38:12 <adamw> hehe
15:38:30 <adamw> sounds like no-one has anything else urgent, though? cloud criteria/test cases are already in good shape, roshi?
15:38:49 <roshi> they are, but we've got a couple cloud bugs right now
15:39:07 <roshi> DHCP gets lost after N number of hours and never renews it's IP lease
15:39:20 <roshi> and randomly, on reboot, eth0 just goes away
15:39:24 <adamw> #info we should try and run Beta and Final validation tests against Alpha, if you're looking for some work to do between now and Beta TC1, do that! Just add more results to the Alpha RC3 pages.
15:39:26 <nirik> roshi: side note: vnc consoles should work again in the infra private cloud.
15:39:34 <roshi> iirc, both those bugs are filed as blockers
15:39:39 <adamw> roshi: huh, fun.
15:39:43 <roshi> if not, I'll get them in there
15:40:06 <roshi> so, at least for cloud, we need to have a "runs for x number of days and reboots" testcase
15:40:30 <roshi> trying to come up with the best method to codify that
15:40:34 <adamw> automate all the thiiiiiings
15:41:02 <roshi> since that would basically get rid of the ability to do a quick run through the suites like we just did for alpha
15:42:44 <adamw> well, we do allow transfer of results still, remembe
15:42:45 <adamw> r
15:43:08 <adamw> so if we hit a case like that and we still have a 'long-term' test running (or completed) from the previous compose, and we're confident the new compose shouldn't change it, we can take that
15:43:33 <roshi> yeah, a fair point
15:43:36 <adamw> of course in Perfect Spherical Fedora Land we'd always have enough time to run long-term smoke tests before approving releases
15:43:42 <adamw> does that happen in the universe in your head too? :P
15:43:50 <roshi> yeah
15:44:07 <adamw> aw, it sounds so nice in there
15:44:15 <roshi> we control time, so, basically we just speed things up in one small area of the place to do the long term testing in a fast manner
15:45:11 <adamw> proposal: all future testing to occur in roshi's head
15:45:43 <roshi> lol
15:46:59 <adamw> no acks? aww. :P
15:47:09 <adamw> alrighty then, moving along
15:47:12 <adamw> #topic Test Day check-in
15:47:20 <adamw> this was mostly scheduled for my benefit so i wouldn't have to look at the calendar. :P
15:47:25 <adamw> what've we got coming up, roshi?
15:47:49 <roshi> Ipsilon testday is this Thursday
15:48:06 <roshi> localization/translation days are next week
15:48:09 <adamw> who or what is an ipsilon, and how does one go about catching one for test purposes?
15:48:17 * adamw prepares ipsilon net
15:48:19 <roshi> Cockpit is the week after that
15:48:33 <roshi> Ipsilon is a auth provider
15:48:38 <tflink> it's the new fedoauth
15:48:41 <adamw> oh, right, knew i'd heard it somewhere.
15:48:52 <roshi> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ipsilon
15:49:05 <roshi> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-03-12_Ipsilon
15:50:11 <adamw> #info upcoming test days: Ipsilon (authentication server) on 2015-03-12, l10n/i18n on 2015-03-17 and 2015-03-19, and Cockpit on 2015-03-24 . See https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/QA/?subject=Test+Day
15:50:21 <adamw> roshi: preparation in hand for those, or does anyone need help?
15:51:00 <roshi> not that I know of right now - but I'll check this week and ping people as needed
15:51:14 <roshi> ipsilon prep has been moving forward nicely
15:51:25 <roshi> have to check in on the localization/translation stuff
15:51:50 <roshi> since I'm only mono-fluent, I'm not of much aid to those test days
15:52:54 <adamw> those have been running for years so they're probably fine
15:52:57 <adamw> they're pretty well-oiled by now
15:53:07 <adamw> though i did revise their test cases the other month so i hope that doesn't surprise anyone. :P
15:53:14 <roshi> lol
15:53:49 <kushal> adamw, :)
15:54:54 <adamw> #info test day planning seems to be rolling along well
15:55:07 <adamw> roshi: i guess we can help post announcements and stuff for ipsilon tomorrow
15:55:21 <roshi> yeah
15:55:24 <adamw> alrighty then, time for a quick:
15:55:26 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:55:30 * roshi needs to write a Magazine post
15:55:34 <roshi> so
15:55:39 <adamw> anyone got anything I didn't cover, before we get to blocker review?
15:55:47 <roshi> I did send out a blocker review announce
15:55:56 <roshi> but I guess I sent it with a 2015-03-90 date
15:56:00 <adamw> oops.
15:56:02 <roshi> so it never made it to the list
15:56:09 <roshi> and I went to sleep right after hitting send
15:57:48 <roshi> so, announcing it now: We are having a blocker review today, in a couple minutes in #fedora-blocker-review
15:57:54 <roshi> new bat time, same bat channel
15:58:38 <roshi> right now we have 3/1 proposals for beta and final
15:59:12 <adamw> alrighty, sounds like we don't have anything else for QA meeting, let's head on over to #fedora-blocker-review :)
15:59:15 <adamw> thanks for coming folks!
15:59:20 <adamw> #endmeeting