15:09:40 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:09:42 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:09:46 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:09:56 <rdieter> hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting, who's present today?
15:10:06 * jgrulich is present
15:10:40 * satellit_e listening
15:11:09 <Kevin_Kofler> Present.
15:11:25 <tosky> o/
15:11:30 <than> present
15:12:05 <rdieter> #info rdieter jgrulich satellit_e Kevin_Kofler tosky than present
15:12:13 <rdieter> #chair jgrulich satellit_e Kevin_Kofler tosky than
15:12:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler jgrulich rdieter satellit_e than tosky
15:12:25 <rdieter> #info agenda
15:12:28 <rdieter> what to discuss today?
15:13:03 <satellit_e> get fedora is up with f22 spins
15:14:02 <rdieter> I suppose I can give status on recent updates submitted
15:14:08 <rdieter> anyone else ?
15:14:13 <Kevin_Kofler> Does anybody want to give a Plasma 5 demo at Linuxwoche Wien? The deadline for proposals is this Sunday.
15:14:29 <Kevin_Kofler> I'm probably not the right person, I haven't even tried Plasma 5 yet.
15:14:40 <Kevin_Kofler> Maybe some Brno folks want to come and show off what we have?
15:15:35 <rdieter> #topic Linuxwoche Wien
15:15:40 <rdieter> may as well go with that.
15:15:55 <Kevin_Kofler> So that's the annual Vienna Linux Week.
15:16:15 <Kevin_Kofler> This year from May 7 (Thu) to May 9 (Sat).
15:16:32 <Kevin_Kofler> CfP deadline is March 15, i.e., this Sunday.
15:16:49 <Kevin_Kofler> I submitted a proposal for a talk about Calamares.
15:17:25 <Kevin_Kofler> I don't know if any other distro folks want to show Plasma 5, but from us in Fedora, apparently not, at least it's not in the Fedora wiki.
15:17:43 <Kevin_Kofler> As I said, I'd probably not be the right person to do it because I haven't tried it yet, so I have no experience.
15:18:01 <Kevin_Kofler> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Linuxwochen_Wien_2015
15:18:34 <Kevin_Kofler> (The whole event is called Linuxwochen (Linux weeks), but in Vienna it's just one week, or actually half.)
15:18:55 <Kevin_Kofler> There are 1 or 2 days each in various other Austrian cities.
15:19:00 * heliocastro late but here
15:19:05 <rdieter> #info heliocastro present
15:19:06 <Kevin_Kofler> http://www.linuxwochen.at/Wien/
15:19:08 <rdieter> #chair heliocastro
15:19:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler heliocastro jgrulich rdieter satellit_e than tosky
15:20:38 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: maybe bring topic to kde@fpo list?
15:20:43 <Kevin_Kofler> I will also take care of burning Fedora KDE DVDs, I have the DVD+Rs already bought.
15:21:02 <Kevin_Kofler> So that we will have some media to hand out.
15:21:17 * rdieter still sad famsco choose to not make any f21-kde media :(
15:23:07 <Kevin_Kofler> I still wonder what exactly I should burn: F21 KDE GA, F21 KDE Respin, Plasma 5 ISO based on F21, F22 Beta/RC, a multiboot of some of these (using the scripts from the Multi DVD, hoping I get them working), or a selection of some of these on separate DVDs.
15:23:20 <Kevin_Kofler> What's sure is that I will have SOMETHING.
15:23:35 <Kevin_Kofler> F21 GA is the safest, but also the most boring.
15:23:36 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: I'd suggest trying f21 kde respin first (as long as it still works well)
15:23:49 <rdieter> else, f21-kde ga
15:23:59 * satellit_e afk
15:24:04 <rdieter> when maybe do a handful of f22-kde alpha's too
15:24:40 <Kevin_Kofler> We'll likely have at least Beta when the event is.
15:24:48 <rdieter> ok
15:24:51 <Kevin_Kofler> It's during Final Freeze as per the current schedule.
15:25:30 <Kevin_Kofler> But of course I also need time to burn the media, if I wait for a good RC until the last day, I'll be really stressed.
15:27:07 <rdieter> ok, can we move on?
15:27:23 <Kevin_Kofler> As far as I'm concerned, yes. :-)
15:27:43 <rdieter> #topic update status
15:28:14 <rdieter> finally got all of kde-14.12.3 and plasma-5.2.1 queue'd for f22 updates-testing yesterday
15:28:38 <rdieter> hopefully will get f21/f20 ones for kde-14.12.3 done today
15:29:01 <rdieter> anyone else have recent updates worth mentioning?
15:31:12 <rdieter> one thing I would appreciate help with: retiring (or updating to plasma5) old kde4 plasma applet packages
15:31:37 <rdieter> 2 in particular, currently have broken dependencies: kde-plasma-yawp kde-plasma-smooth-tasks
15:31:57 * jreznik is here, sorry for being late
15:32:15 <rdieter> #info jreznik present
15:32:18 <rdieter> #chair jreznik
15:32:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler heliocastro jgrulich jreznik rdieter satellit_e than tosky
15:33:14 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: Do you have bugs filed in RH Bugzilla for those?
15:33:38 <rdieter> no
15:33:43 <Kevin_Kofler> Please file some.
15:33:51 <rdieter> part of what I'd like help with
15:33:56 <Kevin_Kofler> Then, if the primary point of contact ("owner") doesn't update nor retire the packages, invoke the Nonresponsive Maintainer Policy.
15:34:00 <rdieter> I've fixed most other broken deps
15:34:25 <rdieter> and will be busy much of the day working on other stuff (like kde-14.12.3) already
15:34:42 <Kevin_Kofler> I can file bugs for kde-plasma-yawp and kde-plasma-smooth-tasks.
15:34:47 <rdieter> yay, thanks
15:35:11 <rdieter> Kevin_Kofler: probably worth blocking the plasma5 tracker bug too
15:35:32 <Kevin_Kofler> I was going to do that anyway.
15:35:49 <Kevin_Kofler> I'll do a nice write up that others can then copy&paste if there are other affected packages. :-)
15:37:03 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:37:08 <rdieter> anything else for today?
15:37:15 <jgrulich> yep, this one https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1199600
15:37:36 <rdieter> .bug 1199600
15:37:39 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1199600 Build KShutdown using Qt5 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1199600
15:37:49 <jgrulich> I'm not sure whether I should rebuild it against qt5 and loose benefits from using kdelibs, like notifications or translations
15:38:12 <rdieter> jgrulich: I agree
15:38:28 <rdieter> only do so if there's some tangible benefit
15:39:04 <jgrulich> maybe I'll look into KF5 port myself
15:40:07 <jreznik> btw. anybody who would like to write an article about Plasma 5 in Fedora 22 Alpha for Fedora Magazine?
15:41:10 <heliocastro> Need to be english proeficient ?
15:42:04 * heliocastro doubt can do a better article than Ken's one, but can give it a try
15:43:09 <rdieter> I would be happy to help review/edit
15:43:34 <heliocastro> jreznik: So i can do it
15:43:36 <Kevin_Kofler> .bug 1200463
15:43:39 <zodbot> Kevin_Kofler: Bug 1200463 kde-plasma-yawp: not compatible with Plasma 5 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1200463
15:44:53 <Kevin_Kofler> .bug 1200464
15:44:56 <zodbot> Kevin_Kofler: Bug 1200464 kde-plasma-smooth-tasks: not compatible with Plasma 5 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1200464
15:45:06 <Kevin_Kofler> If there are more, you can reuse my boilerplate.
15:45:33 <jreznik> heliocastro: it does not have to be perfect english and we have editors who can help with it
15:46:08 <heliocastro> jreznik: Just give the deadline, then :-)
15:46:32 <jreznik> heliocastro: before F22 release? :)
15:46:41 <heliocastro> Ahaha
15:46:51 <heliocastro> I will do tonight
15:46:52 <jreznik> even after it would be ok
15:47:23 <jreznik> the idea is to show case changes that will land in F22 and I think Plasma 5 is great change to show and can help us too to get some attention
15:47:32 * danofsatx just got to the office, late start today
15:48:22 <heliocastro> jreznik: Agreed
15:48:39 * heliocastro will try to summarize the possible missing things
15:49:01 <heliocastro> like kmail
15:49:17 <Kevin_Kofler> It's not missing, it's just the KDE 4 version.
15:49:26 <rdieter> kde4 apps not yet ported to kf5 doesn't count as missing :-/
15:49:26 <Kevin_Kofler> No different from F9 where kdepim was KDE 3.
15:49:45 <rdieter> not-yet-ported plasma applets on that other hand...
15:49:53 <Kevin_Kofler> rdieter: +1, IMHO, missing stuff is only stuff where the old version does not work anymore (such as plasmoids).
15:50:12 <Kevin_Kofler> (or features removed from / not yet rewritten in the workspace itself)
15:50:34 <jreznik> and screenshots! but please with f22-backgrounds
15:50:44 <heliocastro> Ok, rephrasing, not-yet-ported
15:50:46 <jreznik> do we already set it as default? would be nice for beta
15:51:02 <rdieter> that reminds me, hadn't mentioned yet... still todo item to adjust kde-settings to use f22-kde-theme by default
15:52:51 <rdieter> I probably would've been done by now, but lost an afternoon trying to make a f22-themed ksplash and lockscreen too
15:53:40 <heliocastro> for kde spin, we will use sddm ?
15:53:45 <rdieter> heliocastro: yes
15:53:58 <rdieter> (same as f21 in that regard)
15:54:08 <heliocastro> Good
15:58:23 <rdieter> alright, got quiet, let's wrap up if there's nothing else in the next minute or so
15:59:12 <danofsatx> real quick, is anyone familiar with a 2+ year old "known issue" with KDE that will not return from standby with multiple screens?
15:59:38 <rdieter> danofsatx: bug reference(s)?
15:59:46 <rdieter> I'm not familiar with it
16:00:16 <heliocastro> Me neither
16:00:29 <danofsatx> I don't have them handy. a buddy of mine says he's hit it with 19,20, and 21, and every time he goes looking for an answer he gets hits dating back to 2013 on kde.org saying it's a known issue.
16:01:04 <danofsatx> I'll get the bugs and take it to channel. The other problem he has is with the NM gui not remembering VPN passwords.
16:01:09 <rdieter> I can test it tomorrow, my desktop box @work has 2 screens, though I've never tried suspending it
16:01:27 <danofsatx> I have the same setup here, but it doesn't got to sleep either.
16:01:51 <rdieter> ok, let's wrap, thanks everyone
16:02:02 <rdieter> #endmeeting