06:00:46 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n 06:00:46 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 27 06:00:46 2015 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:46 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00:50 <pravins> #meetingname i18n 06:00:50 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 06:00:52 <mfabian> Hi ☺ 06:00:54 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 06:00:58 <pravins> hi mfabian :) 06:01:06 <juhp> hi 06:01:11 <pravins> who else there? :) 06:01:29 <ueno> hi 06:02:13 <epico> hi 06:02:17 <pravins> hi juhp ueno epico :) 06:02:44 <pravins> We had our Fedora 22 awesome release yesterday. 06:03:04 <pravins> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-22-released/ 06:03:11 <pravins> so everyone on Fedora 22 now? 06:03:20 <mfabian> I updated yesterday. 06:03:21 * pravins still have to update :( 06:03:33 <pravins> mfabian: great. 06:04:06 <paragan> hi 06:04:10 <pravins> hi paragan :) 06:04:26 * paragan is also using F22 :) 06:04:26 <mfabian> Went well, but I had the strange effect that the external keyboard and mouse was not working. After plugging the keyboard and mouse out and in again a few times, it finally started working, after reboot it stopped working again. 06:05:00 <pravins> mfabian: you did fresh install? 06:05:12 <mfabian> Update from Fedora 21. With fedup. 06:05:18 <juhp> mfabian, oh 06:06:16 <pravins> i will test for same and update if any issue. 06:06:32 <pravins> #action pravins to test F22 with external keyboard and mouse. 06:06:41 <pravins> lets move to our meeting agenda :) 06:06:48 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-05-27 06:06:53 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule 06:07:12 <pravins> #info 2015-06-23 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 06:07:23 <pravins> We have less than one month for SW changes. 06:07:56 <fujiwarat> hi 06:08:03 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :) 06:08:37 <juhp> any ideas yet? 06:08:55 <pravins> We have only one (bi-weekly) meeting in between this deadline. 06:09:03 <juhp> hm 06:09:04 <pravins> juhp: good question. 06:09:30 <pravins> lets discuss on F23 change ideas 06:09:41 <pravins> #topic New topics 06:09:48 <pravins> #info #50: Feature/Change planning for Fedora 23 (pravins) 06:09:52 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/50 06:10:16 <pravins> let me ping everyone and see if they have any ideas :) 06:10:38 <pravins> fujiwarat: ueno mfabian paragan epico tagoh_ juhp do we have any ideas/plan for F23? 06:11:27 <pravins> juhp: you was mentioned regarding Workstation todo list, does it help to us in planning? 06:11:41 <epico> maybe try to switch default Traditional Chinese ime to ibus-libzhuyin. 06:11:44 <juhp> mfabian, I think the locales subpackaging would be a good one - together with glibc team 06:11:49 <juhp> epico, yes 06:11:56 <mfabian> juhp: OK. 06:12:32 <pravins> #idea try to switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin 06:12:33 <juhp> pravins, right - it could 06:12:59 <pravins> #idea locales sub-packaging with glibc team 06:13:42 <fujiwarat> Next ibus will show the language prefix in KDE5. support $HOME/.XCompose in gtk panel. 06:13:50 <pravins> epico: nice idea, do you think will get any objection for it? 06:14:31 <pravins> do we have link for workstation todo list? 06:14:37 <paragan> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist 06:14:52 <tagoh_> hi 06:14:57 <pravins> hi tagoh_ :) 06:15:06 <aeng> hi 06:15:10 <pravins> thanks paragan 06:15:22 <pravins> hi aeng :) 06:15:47 * pravins going through Workstation Tasklist 06:15:56 <epico> pravins, one volunteer actively begins to report bugs on it, after fixed them, I think it will be okay for switching. 06:16:36 <juhp> good 06:17:35 <pravins> epico: looks good. lets propose it as a Change :) 06:17:40 <epico> sure 06:18:19 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist :- Wayland - IBUS it mentions ueno as well 06:18:59 <juhp> yes I think Wayland IM is something we can consider for f23? 06:19:55 <pravins> agree !! 06:20:18 <pravins> #idea Wayland IM for F23. 06:20:35 <pravins> #agree for Change proposal of "Switch default Traditional Chinese IME to ibus-libzhuyin" 06:21:13 <pravins> I am planning to propose "default fonts audit" in flock. 06:21:48 <pravins> we have lots of old font as a default in Fedora. We got number of good qualities fonts from Noto project now also there are some other projects. 06:22:06 <pravins> We need to see if we can do audit and improve default fonts offering. 06:22:17 <tagoh_> interesting 06:22:30 <juhp> pravins, for f23/f24? 06:23:01 <pravins> juhp: We should try for F23. 06:23:36 <pravins> #idea Audit of default fonts for languages in Fedora 23 06:24:25 <pravins> will need comments from language experts before doing this. 06:24:46 <pravins> couple of pending task. 06:25:24 <pravins> https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 "gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages" 06:26:08 <pravins> This ticket gradually became just disabling XKB indic layouts though :) 06:26:11 <pravins> even that is pending. 06:26:47 <juhp> I think we could suggest and make some UI improvements too though 06:27:01 <pravins> juhp: this does not looks in todo list of Workstation WG as well. 06:27:19 <juhp> true 06:27:42 <pravins> #idea Gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages 06:27:43 <juhp> pravins, I am not very clear though what does upstream and what lands on WS tasks though 06:27:47 <tagoh_> not that big deal they think or just forgot about it? 06:27:50 <juhp> goes 06:28:10 <juhp> I think g-c-c changes need to be done upstream anyway 06:28:11 <pravins> tagoh_: yes, possible. :) 06:29:36 <pravins> one more point is 06:30:16 <pravins> How about going through Cloud and Server stuff? 06:30:33 <juhp> good idea 06:30:44 <pravins> may be we should test/use these products and see if anything pending on us. 06:30:45 <juhp> do they have task lists too? 06:30:54 * pravins not sure. 06:31:02 <juhp> pravins, it is a good idea 06:31:27 <pravins> #idea going through cloud and server todo list. Test/use cloud and server and see whats missing from i18n. 06:32:58 <pravins> might be we will get next Unicode release soon. 06:33:57 <mfabian> We can update the glibc files again easily now. 06:34:00 <juhp> ah yes 06:34:02 <juhp> 8.0 06:34:10 <pravins> mfabian: yes. 06:34:40 <pravins> #idea updating glibc localedata to Unicode 8.0.0 if releases in F23 development cycle 06:34:43 <pravins> #link http://blog.unicode.org/2015/03/unicode-80-beta-review.html 06:35:41 <pravins> #idea fujiwarat IBus improvements for KDE5 06:35:49 <pravins> #undo 06:35:49 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: IDEA by pravins at 06:35:41 : fujiwarat IBus improvements for KDE5 06:35:57 <pravins> #idea IBus improvements for KDE5 06:36:49 <pravins> Got number of ideas :) 06:37:12 <pravins> Now we need someone to takeover those. 06:37:12 <paragan> nice :) 06:37:21 <pravins> lets discuss more in next meeting. 06:37:44 <pravins> lets go quickly through other tickets 06:37:45 <pravins> #info #40: Fedora 22 Changes (pravins) 06:37:49 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40 06:38:05 <pravins> We can close this ticket now. 06:38:36 <pravins> Thanks all for proposing and completing change proposals in Fedora 22. 06:38:45 <pravins> Change proposals are really nice way to track improvements. 06:39:38 <juhp> +1 thanks 06:40:24 <pravins> #agreed to close this Fedora 22 Change ticket #40 06:40:35 <pravins> #info #43: I18n FAD in 2015 (pravins) 06:40:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 06:40:46 <paragan> nice work by all in F22 :) 06:40:55 <pravins> paragan: +1 !! 06:41:07 <pravins> I have not recieived any response from FPL on update proposal. 06:41:21 <pravins> s/recieived/received 06:41:26 <pravins> I will ping him soon. 06:42:06 <pravins> thanks tagoh_ paragan juhp epico for adding your names in participants. 06:42:17 <epico> welcome 06:42:27 <pravins> tagoh_: i think you will be local and no need travel :) 06:42:56 <tagoh_> pravins: ah, right 06:43:42 <paragan> I think we are missing then ueno and fujiwarat 06:44:59 <paragan> we also need to check if any other people also want to join this FAD and can add their names 06:45:17 <paragan> from l10n, zanata group 06:47:14 <paragan> let's revisit this in next meeting and spread the news about this FAD 06:49:35 <pravins> paragan: exactly !! 06:50:27 <pravins> since we have number of points from g11n perspective good to have people from zanata, fltg and l10n 06:50:32 <pravins> aeng: ^^ 06:50:54 <pravins> moving to next ticket 06:50:55 <pravins> #info #49: Internationalization talking points for Fedora 22 (pravins) 06:50:58 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/49 06:51:05 <pravins> I was not aware we do have generic page for this. 06:51:11 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_talking_points 06:51:23 <pravins> Good to add our talking points here. 06:51:49 <pravins> Unfortunately i did not found time to work on this. 06:52:16 <pravins> need help from all of you. to make it complete. 06:52:33 <pravins> #action Pravin to add points in talking points. 06:52:42 <pravins> anyone planning any blog for Fedora 22? 06:53:08 <pravins> even if we write specifically improvement done from individual side that is fine. We can link it later. 06:53:14 <juhp> not late for talking points? 06:53:47 <pravins> may be late for that page. 06:54:11 <pravins> but we can keep talking on Fedora 22 for next couple of month :) 06:55:51 <pravins> we have done with our agenda items. 06:56:05 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 06:56:44 <pravins> i want to discuss couple of things here. 06:56:51 <pravins> 1. Does bi-weekly meeting works well? 06:58:01 <pravins> we are again moving into active development cycle of Fedora 23. 06:58:12 <juhp> ah yes 07:00:37 <pravins> sure, lets move ahead with bi-weekly meeting and if required propose one in between. 07:00:50 <pravins> thanks all for meeting :) 07:00:53 <pravins> #endmeeting