04:00:40 <tuanta> #startmeeting APAC meeting 2015-06-13
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04:00:45 <tuanta> #topic Roll call
04:00:54 <tuanta> .fas tuanta
04:00:54 <zodbot> tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' <tuanta@iwayvietnam.com>
04:01:26 <tuanta> #info Agenda Item: FUDCon APAC 2016 bid proposals review
04:07:44 <rtnpro> .fas rtnpro
04:07:44 <zodbot> rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' <rtnpro@gmail.com>
04:10:04 <rtnpro> tuanta, Hi
04:10:09 <tuanta> hi rtnpro
04:10:12 <nangthang> .fas nangthang
04:10:12 <zodbot> nangthang: nangthang 'Thang Nguyen Nang' <thangnguyennang1988@gmail.com>
04:10:18 <nangthang> hi everyone
04:10:22 <tuanta> I see not many ones today
04:11:05 <tuanta> and the most important is somvannda missing
04:12:41 <rtnpro> :)
04:12:59 <tuanta> rtnpro, nangthang: should we end the meeting?
04:13:08 <tuanta> I see nothing to discuss without bidders
04:13:18 <nangthang> +1 tuanta
04:13:28 <nangthang> somvannda is not here now
04:13:32 <gnokii> tuanta: might be there is nothing to discuss anyway
04:14:10 <gnokii> a lot of your questions are already answered in the bid and some others got answered during the last bidding
04:14:14 <rtnpro> I am not sure
04:14:31 <rtnpro> shall we wait for some time, before we decide?
04:14:48 <rtnpro> tuanta, ^^
04:15:44 * siddhesh_ is back
04:15:45 <siddhesh_> hi
04:16:14 <tuanta> #topic  FUDCon APAC 2016 bid proposals review
04:16:17 <tuanta> we need to discuss, review and make decision; then raise it to FAmSCo, then FPL
04:17:03 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016
04:17:09 <tuanta> there is only one bid
04:17:14 <gnokii> tuanta: then raise questions
04:17:44 <siddhesh_> Tuan and I had asked a few questions on the fudcon-planning list when somvannda announced the bid
04:17:51 <siddhesh_> tuanta, you go first
04:18:21 <tuanta> yes, my questions are here: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2015-May/006048.html
04:18:51 <gnokii> siddhesh_: see above, such questions like "do we have our own dedicated room" arealready in the bid noted
04:18:53 <tuanta> and siddhesh_ answered some of them; but no response from the bidding team
04:19:15 <siddhesh_> hmm, looks like I actually didn't ask a question, I only answered questions about the budget
04:19:52 <siddhesh_> gnokii, the question about funding and the inability to transfer funds into PP is a big concern
04:20:06 <siddhesh_> also the fact that most speakers and volunteers will have to be flown in well in advance
04:20:33 <tuanta> here is siddhesh_'s answer to my question: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fudcon-planning/2015-May/006049.html
04:20:43 <rtnpro> siddhesh_, +1
04:21:10 <gnokii> well I als say hereplease read the bid and there is not an "inability"
04:21:55 <rtnpro> How big is the Fedora contributor base in PP?
04:22:20 <siddhesh_> gnokii, I have read the bid and I have obviously missed the answer, so could you please point it out?
04:22:31 <rtnpro> is it big enough to handle a big event like FUDCON?
04:22:33 <tuanta> rtnpro, there are 3-4 ones
04:23:01 <gnokii> siddhesh_: the answer is that sabay and ezecom already said they might sponsor the event
04:23:07 <tuanta> siddhesh_, no response to my questions up to now
04:23:10 <rtnpro> a lot of ground work is required by the local community for an event
04:23:20 <tuanta> gnokii, you are in organizing team?
04:23:24 <siddhesh_> gnokii, so no funding required from Fedora budget?
04:23:31 <tuanta> I do not see you in the bid wiki page
04:23:34 <gnokii> wot
04:24:47 <tuanta> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016#Team:
04:25:17 <tuanta> there is no one in organizing team attend today meeting
04:25:33 <siddhesh_> rtnpro, AFAIK, there are two active contributors and gnokii will likely help out
04:25:51 <tuanta> it is hard to discuss anything today :(
04:26:12 <siddhesh_> gnokii, on that note, it is clear that you're taking active part in the organization, so you should add yourself as organizer
04:26:24 <gnokii> no tuanta I only saying to you read the page and you will find answers to some of your questions and I was also present during the last discussion for Fudcon 2015 and therewas raised same questions like paralellwith latam and that was answered so whyyou bring it forward again?
04:26:43 <tuanta> I already did read the wiki, gnokii
04:26:52 <gnokii> siddhesh_: somvannda gets from me any help I can provide
04:27:16 <gnokii> so why you then ask if there is an dedicated room?
04:28:13 <tuanta> thanks gnokii, at least someone should answer me instead of keeping silence :(
04:28:18 <siddhesh_> gnokii, from me too, but clearly my involvement is not even close to yours
04:29:02 <siddhesh_> my point is that there is no point shadow-resourcing.  It is fine if you're one of the key organizers as long as you're committed to taking responsibility for the event
04:29:03 <gnokii> well smvanndas answer is in my mail account uncorrected, I had no time this week looking overit
04:29:41 <gnokii> siddhesh_: Ialwaystake responsebility for thing sI do ;)
04:30:42 <siddhesh_> gnokii, then add yourself as organizer, since you're clearly doing most of the management work
04:31:08 <siddhesh_> including reviewing somvannda's responses to bid questions
04:31:36 <gnokii> siddhesh_: I dont want to review it ;)
04:32:01 <siddhesh_> that does not inspire a lot of confidence
04:34:38 <siddhesh_> I am also not happy about the fact that there is practically nothing else happening on the Fedora front in PP.  There is nothing to give the hope that a FUDCon will change that
04:34:55 <gnokii> hu
04:34:59 <rtnpro> siddhesh_, +1
04:35:20 <siddhesh_> I had volunteered my time and time from a lot of Indian contributors for any smaller events they wanted to do in PP, but nothing seems to have come up
04:35:28 <gnokii> are you actually aware what happens there?
04:35:53 <siddhesh_> gnokii, I cannot if nobody puts a note on ambassadors list
04:36:34 <tuanta> I still do hope that my questions will be answered explicitly on the mailing list and/or IRC meeting
04:38:55 <gnokii> tuanta: might I ask you a question?
04:39:30 <tuanta> yes, if it is related to the current topic
04:39:31 <siddhesh_> we would love to see a strong Cambodian Fedora community, but it should be on the basis of their own contributions and initiatives, not as an import of talks and sessions that will likely be lost in the noise of a very large super-conference
04:39:54 <tuanta> +1 siddhesh_
04:40:20 * siddhesh_ would personally love to travel to PP too.  I had a great time there the last time
04:40:40 <gnokii> tuanta: have you ever thought how your questions looking through the eye of somvannda?
04:41:12 <gnokii> siddhesh_: thats an chicken egg problem
04:41:25 <tuanta> I think he must read the mailing list
04:41:36 <siddhesh_> gnokii, it is not.  I have already described how to solve that problem in the last bid discussion
04:41:55 <siddhesh_> do smaller focussed events, lots of them
04:41:59 <siddhesh_> give them visibility
04:42:15 <siddhesh_> that is the only way to be counted as a serious contender for a major conference
04:42:32 <gnokii> well, that doesnt work there
04:42:41 <siddhesh_> why not?
04:42:56 <gnokii> to many small events from others
04:43:16 <siddhesh_> who are the 'others'?
04:43:28 <siddhesh_> and why do they matter to the Fedora project
04:43:38 <gnokii> google,mozilla,ubuntu,microsoft
04:44:07 <siddhesh_> gnokii, that's the case everywhere.  It will only matter if the same set of people are doing all those events
04:44:40 <gnokii> there is no day in the week, where I couldnot go to an event in PP
04:45:11 <siddhesh_> that seems to suggest that Fedora is not important enough for the contributors already there
04:45:35 <siddhesh_> how can you expect them to do a premiere event with responsibility in that case?
04:45:54 <gnokii> no its simple that with an small event you are not visible enough amongst them
04:46:08 <gnokii> and what you dont know will surly not be important for you
04:46:23 <siddhesh_> gnokii, you need to show what you've done to the larger fedora community, not to literally *everyone*
04:46:41 <siddhesh_> i.e. share event reports on the ambassadors mailing list
04:46:59 <siddhesh_> invite technical teams for FADs or hackfests
04:47:11 <siddhesh_> (technical == specialized, not necessarily coding)
04:47:37 <gnokii> but what has this now to do with this topic?
04:48:07 <siddhesh_> there is nothing to demonstrate that the PP team is responsible enough to do a large event such as FUDCon
04:48:15 <siddhesh_> it was the same problem in the 2015 bid
04:48:33 <siddhesh_> and in the last 8 months nothing has happened to change that perception
04:49:15 <tuanta> I am not sure we can decide anything today
04:49:21 <siddhesh_> The team just seems to have waited till the next bid opened, which gives the impression that all you're interested in is FUDCon, not Fedora itself
04:50:59 <siddhesh_> yes, we definitely cannot make any progress today since the organizers are not here and gnokii is refusing to add himself as organizer
04:51:29 <gnokii> I am sure Somvannda blogged about his activities during the last months, s far I remember he did two booth at events
04:52:34 <siddhesh_> comparing a booth to a technical event is silly
04:52:45 <gnokii> siddhesh_: I am not an apac ambassador yet
04:53:19 <gnokii> cmon how many FADs have others done in the technical area
04:53:55 <tuanta> I think we should try to hold other meetings to discuss more about this
04:54:04 <tuanta> time has almost over
04:54:19 <siddhesh_> yes, this is becoming futile
04:54:19 <tuanta> and there is no one in organizing team to day
04:55:11 <siddhesh_> gnokii, others don't have anything to prove here, especially since nobody else is bidding
04:55:21 <tuanta> ok, I will end the meeting in two minutes if there is no more idea coming up
04:55:34 * siddhesh_ agrees.  lets start again next week
04:55:59 <gnokii> siddhesh_: sorry but with that kind of requirements there can be n fudcon in apac
04:56:36 <siddhesh_> gnokii, I disagree, because I'll insist that you haven't understood my point, but we'll get to it next week
04:57:37 <gnokii> no the problem is that some might have an to fixed thinking what fudcon shall be
04:57:53 <tuanta> ok, lets end the meeting now
04:58:04 <tuanta> I also have to go now
04:58:07 <tuanta> #endmeeting