17:00:31 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2015-06-29)
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17:00:35 <mattdm> #meetingname council
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17:00:40 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jreznik jwb cwickert rdieter langdon sgallagh decause
17:00:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert decause jreznik jwb langdon mattdm rdieter sgallagh
17:00:45 <decause> .hello decause
17:00:46 <zodbot> decause: decause 'None' <decause@redhat.com>
17:00:47 <mattdm> #topic Ye Olde Open Floor Meeting
17:00:52 <jwb> hi
17:00:54 <decause> mattdm++
17:00:55 <mattdm> hi decause!
17:00:58 <mattdm> and jwb
17:01:05 <decause> :)
17:01:13 * mattdm saw giantic mail from decause, has not yet read
17:01:26 <jkurik> hi
17:01:31 <mattdm> hi jkurik
17:01:34 <decause> mattdm: mostly bulleted list things, some interesting for this, some probably below council-level radar :)
17:01:44 <rdieter> hola
17:01:48 <rdieter> .hello rdieter
17:01:49 <zodbot> rdieter: rdieter 'Rex Dieter' <rdieter@math.unl.edu>
17:01:49 <mattdm> rdieter welcome!
17:02:03 <mattdm> decause: once we see who else shows up, want to go through the top level ones?
17:02:08 <decause> sure sure
17:02:22 * decause queues up a txt file
17:02:29 <mattdm> other items i can think of are:
17:02:34 <mattdm> * fesco election low turnout
17:02:43 <mattdm> * engineering status update next week?
17:02:58 <decause> * FLOCK Updates
17:03:17 <jwb> sure
17:03:21 <mattdm> plus there is some ongoing trademark stuff in tickets but I think that's going smoothly -- no need to bring it here.
17:03:34 <decause> mattdm: #agreed, trac seems to have it under control
17:03:47 <decause> astronomy++
17:04:04 <mattdm> so, just the five of us today, eh?
17:04:15 <mattdm> oh, also:
17:04:27 <mattdm> #info diversity search team ready to post actual search for applicants
17:04:38 <mattdm> with plan to have someone in place by flock
17:04:48 <decause> excellent!
17:04:52 <misc> nice
17:04:55 <mattdm> hi misc!
17:05:43 <decause> anyone else have agenda items for open floor?
17:06:04 <decause> * Fedora University Outreach
17:06:17 <mattdm> decause: *nod*
17:06:21 <mattdm> let's start with Flock
17:06:25 <decause> kk
17:06:25 <mattdm> #topic Flock updates
17:06:45 <decause> So, there are a number of fronts moving in community land:
17:06:53 <decause> Shirts/Banners
17:06:59 <decause> Sponsorships
17:07:06 <decause> and After-hours events
17:07:23 <mattdm> jwb you're on the planning committee for this too
17:07:27 <decause> I've gotten quotes from a local printer for both Tshirts and banners
17:07:35 <decause> I'll spare us the finer details here
17:07:53 <decause> but, the quotes are looking reasonable, and I can share the sheets on the list after
17:07:58 <jwb> i am
17:08:13 <jwb> but OSAS handle's most of the money-ish things :)
17:08:15 <mattdm> sorry that _was_ a question :)
17:08:17 <decause> I also looked into printing some banners (4x6 and 2x3) for things like signs/backdrops
17:08:21 <decause> same vendor
17:08:34 <mattdm> the cloud/server/workstation banner at Summit came out well
17:08:44 <decause> those quotes were included in the update email to council-discuss (although somewhat cryptic printer-speak)
17:08:56 <decause> so thats #1
17:08:58 <decause> #2
17:09:05 <decause> Sponsorships
17:09:28 <decause> I held a confab with roughly 12ish meetup organizers or so in ROC
17:09:41 <decause> of those, we've got about 6 who are def interested in tabling at FLOCK
17:09:45 <mattdm> ooh "confab" :)
17:10:00 <decause> including an all-female hackerspace that is forming in Rochester called Ada Space
17:10:20 <langdon> .hello langdon
17:10:21 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
17:10:24 * langdon lost track of time
17:11:10 <mattdm> hi langdon!
17:11:20 <decause> others include: InterlockROC (local hacker/makerspace), Rochester Python Meetup, Hacks/HackersROC (w/ NPR affiliate WXXI likely), E-nable (3D printed hands for kids), FOSS@MAGIC (RIT program), and maybe others too
17:11:25 * decause waves to langdon
17:11:28 <mattdm> decause: cool. That'll be a nice little expo area
17:11:46 <mattdm> and hopefully help some with the cost?
17:11:48 <decause> interlock has very cool demos like a pen-plotter, old hacked up retro hardware, 3D printers, etc
17:11:59 <decause> mattdm: that is the second part of the "Sponsorhip" update
17:12:04 <decause> #2.5
17:12:10 <decause> Paying Sponsors
17:12:17 * langdon waves
17:12:19 <mattdm> heh :)
17:12:30 <decause> I've compiled a list with Spot/Ruth of local businesses that are likely candidates
17:12:43 <decause> now that RHT Summit is done, will continue working down that list
17:12:58 * decause is learning the SOP for such fundraisery in Fedora-land
17:13:28 <decause> there are a handful of "very likelies" in that list, ones that regularly sponsor unconferences/hackathons/etc
17:13:33 <decause> we're hopeful
17:13:38 <decause> which brings us to the last item
17:13:45 * mattdm is afk for 60 seconds
17:13:45 <decause> #3 After-hours events
17:13:56 <misc> shouldn't potential sponsors be part of the flock proposal in the future to help decide ?
17:14:07 <decause> I have been visiting venues within walking distance of the FLOCK conference
17:14:29 <decause> misc: I think there were some listed initially
17:14:56 <decause> one that looks like it will fit the bill is Vertex Nightclub
17:15:13 <decause> it has an outdoor patio, an upstairs dancefloor, and bars on each level
17:15:25 <decause> I think it could accommodate the 100-200 people that may show up
17:15:28 <jwb> are we getting a dj?
17:15:40 <langdon> decause, and featured in the television show "arrow"
17:15:42 <decause> jwb: the venue can help us locate one, or we can provide one
17:15:47 <decause> langdon: wat!!!
17:15:57 <langdon> will a sponsor be sponsoring? (the party)
17:16:03 <jwb> decause, ok
17:16:14 <decause> the good news is, we can get a "private" event on either Wed or Thurs night
17:16:19 <decause> they'll even open early for us
17:16:31 <decause> I know there are other after-hours events already on the books, I just need to figure out when
17:16:45 <decause> so far I have a "we'll comp your cover" from the venue
17:16:59 * langdon wonders if the venue should call the charleston venue as a "reference" for how to run out of alcohol
17:17:28 <decause> :P
17:18:01 <decause> I will continue working with Vertex and Ruth to coordinate
17:18:18 <jwb> langdon, uh, what?
17:18:30 <decause> but things are looking good, since our Plan A venue, the Genesee Brewery, told us they couldn't handle our needs
17:18:49 * decause will circle back with details to the flock-planning list
17:19:06 <langdon> jwb, apparently, despite warnings, the charleston venue ran out of beer by ~10(?) ...
17:19:10 <decause> so, that about does it for FLOCK updates from me, unless anyone has quetsions/comments/items
17:19:17 <jwb> langdon, which venue?
17:19:19 <jwb> there were 3
17:19:40 <langdon> jwb, ohh.. i can picture it .. but not the name.. it was like on the quad area
17:19:55 <jwb> langdon, mint or flying tiger?
17:20:06 <mattdm> (sorry slighly long 60 seconds)
17:20:08 <langdon> mint, i think.. but..
17:20:21 <langdon> jwb, no.. honestly, can't remember...
17:20:28 <jwb> ok.  because blind tiger didn't run out.  i just cut off the tab.
17:20:33 <langdon> jwb, ha
17:20:38 <jwb> i'm not joking
17:20:45 <mattdm> jwb++
17:20:51 <langdon> jwb, yeah.. but i like the translation better... :)
17:21:00 <decause> :P
17:21:18 <decause> any other FLOCK biz?
17:21:25 <jwb> heh.  yeah, makes me look better, but i don't like to negatively cast our venues in a poor light if it wasn't their fault
17:21:30 <jwb> i dunno about mint though
17:21:55 * decause queues up EDU updates
17:22:03 <langdon> jwb, yeah.. 3rd hand story ... maybe more.. ruth or spot would probably know..
17:22:29 * mattdm finishes scrollback
17:22:50 <mattdm> any Flock things that are worrysome / need attention at this point?
17:23:20 <decause> mattdm: sponsor outreach def needs to ramp up now that summit is done
17:23:32 * decause will be on that with spot/ruth
17:24:03 <decause> #info Tshirt design sent to printers deadline is July 29th
17:24:15 <decause> 1 month from today
17:24:41 <mattdm> decause *nod*
17:24:53 <decause> we good for next items?
17:24:56 <mattdm> okay let's go to edu since you have that queued up
17:25:00 <decause> kk
17:25:04 <mattdm> #topic University initiative
17:25:28 <decause> #info dzho has been picked up as the new Adjunct for RIT HFOSS Course
17:25:51 <decause> I held my first training/orientation with him last week to introduce him to the course materials and infrastructure
17:25:59 <decause> github/opeshift/etc
17:26:22 <decause> he helps to run the local hackerspace, and organize the LUG, so he's already *quite* familiar with FOSS
17:26:31 <mattdm> dzho?
17:26:35 <decause> he's a great fit, and I'm excited for him to take over
17:26:42 <decause> that is his IRC nick
17:26:49 <mattdm> (hold on again; kids)
17:27:19 <decause> #2 RHT University Outreach Coordination
17:27:22 * mattdm is back
17:27:56 <decause> I spoke with nyeates, who is going to visit a university in Virginia in the fall. He'll be speaking to both student organizations, and classes while there
17:28:12 <decause> calendar permitting, I may join him to help promote our EDU initiative as well
17:28:34 <mattdm> which university?
17:28:41 * decause would have to dig that up
17:28:46 <mattdm> k
17:29:29 <decause> Richmond, from what I can tell
17:29:46 <mattdm> Any work on metrics for this initiative?
17:29:56 <mattdm> Metrics
17:29:58 <mattdm> Increased contributions from university programs
17:30:00 <mattdm> Increased bug reports and feature requests
17:30:02 <mattdm> Increased mind-share among potential contributors (not easily measured)
17:30:05 <mattdm> ^ from the objective page
17:30:07 <mattdm> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/University_Involvement_Initiative#Metrics
17:30:33 <decause> there'll def be some game-planning if/when we make that trip
17:31:13 <mattdm> the timeframe of the objective calls for events over 2015-2016 school year. I think it'd be good to have some baseline measurements
17:31:19 <mattdm> e.g. the needles we hope to move
17:31:28 <decause> nod nod
17:31:32 <mattdm> wait no i.e. :)
17:31:49 <decause> #4 Software Freedom Day RIT
17:31:50 <sgallagh> decause: Any movement on coordinating install-fests for the back-to-school season?
17:31:59 <decause> sgallagh: glad you asked :)
17:32:01 <mattdm> oh hi sgallagh :)
17:32:14 <sgallagh> /me has been here, just quietly :)
17:32:25 <decause> at RIT, I'm planning to run an installfest for SFD
17:33:04 <decause> sgallagh: after RIT/Virginia, I'll have to look at hte calendar (oct)
17:33:07 <mattdm> so that's one :)
17:33:26 <decause> sgallagh: there is a high liklihood I'll be visiting RPI at some point in the near future too
17:33:38 <sgallagh> decause: Didn't we talk about coordinating with regional Ambassadors about this?
17:33:47 <sgallagh> (Or did I forget to suggest that...?)
17:34:00 <decause> sgallagh: I just got SFD on the books on Friday, so that would be a good next step yes
17:34:02 * mattdm senses an #action coming up :)
17:34:23 <sgallagh> decause: Let me know what your RPI plans are, when they materialize
17:34:32 <decause> #action decause sgallagh ping ambassadors-list with SFD Details
17:34:33 <sgallagh> /me will likely ride shotgun on that
17:34:37 <decause> sgallagh++
17:34:44 <mattdm> Since this is an official objective, it may be something we can spend (at least token) budget on supporting
17:34:56 <decause> sgallagh: as soon as there is official word on RPI, we'll make it known
17:35:19 <decause> that is what I've got for EDU
17:35:20 * langdon wonders "SFD" = "software freedom day" at RIT? or a university he doesn't know the acronym for?
17:35:30 <decause> langdon: http://softwarefreedomday.org
17:35:32 <sgallagh> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
17:35:40 <decause> #link http://softwarefreedomday.org
17:35:44 <langdon> thanks
17:36:01 <decause> it would be very cool for us to have a "module" of some sort to pitch to the upstream international organizers
17:36:13 <decause> I know they have a "media" cd they send to all the satellite events
17:36:22 <decause> it has had various distros/software on it in the past
17:36:46 * decause hasn't been higher than local organizer on those loops before
17:37:03 <decause> #action decause reach out to SoftwareFreedomDay and find out about media CD
17:37:57 <decause> that is what I got for EDU
17:38:01 <mattdm> Is SFD the best (and or only) place we're coordinating around this initiatve, at least initially/
17:38:03 <mattdm> ?
17:38:03 <decause> anybody else got EDU updates?
17:38:31 <mattdm> (maybe more general installfest effort is the "ride shotgun" part?)
17:38:46 <decause> mattdm: SFD is a good point of entry for sure. Dozens of events happen world-wide as it is, and we def fit into the Software Freedom Camp :)
17:38:47 <sgallagh> mattdm: I had originally been hoping to coordinate such things right around the start of the semester
17:39:04 <mattdm> sgallagh: comes up fast :)
17:39:04 <sgallagh> But with SFD on Sept. 20, I suppose that's not too far in.
17:39:10 <decause> mattdm: it is the 3rd weekend in September, which is def the *primetime* for first of the year events
17:39:14 * mattdm nods
17:39:18 <mattdm> k
17:39:23 <mattdm> okay so
17:39:31 <mattdm> #topic engineering status report next week?
17:39:37 <mattdm> jwb: we "go" for this?
17:40:01 <jwb> believe so.  i need to follow up with the people that said they would pitch in, but i think someone from each area said they'd be willing to help
17:40:16 <jwb> i'll try and get that settled by wed
17:40:54 <mattdm> jwb: cool thanks. I assume google hangouts again?
17:41:01 <jwb> if we have nothing better
17:41:06 <mattdm> yeah exactly.
17:41:22 <mattdm> I'll set it up, then, once you have that sorted out
17:41:29 <jwb> k.  i'll follow up on list
17:41:35 <decause> jwb: there is firefox hello now, but I think that is only 1x1?
17:41:35 <mattdm> thanks
17:41:43 <mattdm> decause: yeah. does not scale.
17:42:01 <mattdm> let's not get sidetracked with that right now -- there's an on-list discussion
17:42:02 <decause> mattdm: nod nod nod
17:42:21 <mattdm> #topic fosco, etc?
17:42:32 <decause> #topic CommOps
17:42:42 <mattdm> oh okay that :)
17:42:50 <decause> There are some pieces of infrastructure coming along now
17:43:09 <decause> there is a proper wiki page:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps
17:43:12 <decause> #link  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps
17:43:40 <decause> and I've been working with fedora-infra to "properly" register the channel on Freenode, get zodbot in there, etc...
17:43:46 <decause> those steps are just about completed now
17:43:56 <decause> #fedora-commops is a thing you can join
17:44:05 <decause> #info /join #fedora-commops on freenode
17:44:23 <decause> through there, I'm working with FranciscoD on the loop from last week about marketing collateral
17:44:58 <decause> there is also coming about a toolbox that introduces a number of metrics gathering/reporting tools that have been built so far:
17:45:25 <decause> #link http://decausemaker.org/posts/commops-toolbox.html
17:45:37 <decause> this will get properly "wikified" in the near future
17:45:53 <decause> #action decause wiki-fy the commops toolbox listing
17:46:40 <decause> from the IRC channel, I'm hoping to start holding regular meetings soon
17:46:55 <mattdm> okay, cool
17:47:46 <mattdm> So, at some point, when this is looking to have community buy-in, I think we want to replace "FAMSco" with "CommOps" in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council
17:47:53 <decause> one of the things that is getting close is a template for generating +/- stats on fedmsgs in the form of a "daily briefing" of some sort
17:48:01 <mattdm> and possibly reword the areas where previously we had "outreach"
17:48:09 <decause> mattdm: #agreed
17:48:20 <mattdm> (because I understand the confusion/conflation with "diversity outreach")
17:48:28 * langdon has eomething for open floor if we get to it...
17:48:42 <decause> that is where #fedora-outreach comes into the fold :)
17:48:47 <mattdm> sure, let's get to it. langdon, #topic your thing :)
17:49:07 <langdon> #topic objective updates at flock
17:49:43 <mattdm> Fedora Editions, Phase 2 ends at flock
17:49:50 <mattdm> as does  Fedora Modularization (Requirements Phase)
17:49:50 <langdon> can we get a slot at flock for all "objective owners" to do an update on status.. and then take some questions?
17:50:03 * langdon was interrupted at worst possible time, back now
17:50:04 <mattdm> it's kind of late for getting slots
17:50:04 <decause> langdon: I belive there is a "council update" session on the books
17:50:24 <jwb> yes
17:50:35 <langdon> decause, yeah.. but i guess I was thinking more of a dedicated session per objective..
17:50:52 <mattdm> langdon: *definitely* too late if those weren't pitched
17:50:55 <jwb> um... it might be hard to accommodate that now
17:51:01 <langdon> yeah.. figured..
17:51:02 <jwb> but i think most of them already have talks by their owners
17:51:02 <decause> langdon: perhaps we can get a "double-block" for council session?
17:51:12 * decause reads the prior messages
17:51:14 <langdon> but maybe next year we do something more formal around objectives?
17:51:22 <langdon> decause, and/or dbl-block this year
17:51:26 <mattdm> langdon: yeah, I'm not opposed to that
17:51:44 <mattdm> The Objectives are meant to be a focal point for the council
17:51:52 <mattdm> so we can make them be a big part of that council session
17:51:57 <langdon> as in like... objectives being tracks? or at least major sessoins.. and proposed talks need to tie to an objective?
17:52:06 <decause> #action decause ask rsuehle about dbl-block possibility for council updates
17:52:15 <langdon> mattdm, well.. the council? or fedora?
17:52:30 <mattdm> langdon: yes, I'm generally in favor of that. or at least prioritizing talks which are tied to sessions
17:52:47 <langdon> s/sessions/objectives ?
17:53:10 <mattdm> (and if people don't like that, that's an excellent incentive to work on developing objectives aligned iwth their interest)
17:53:19 <langdon> mattdm, exactly
17:54:04 <jwb> based on the voting, people want to hear what Red Hat's interests are
17:54:12 <jwb> which i think will be interesting
17:54:25 <langdon> so.. like 5/6 objective tracks (even if they aren't all concurrent), 1 cool stuff track, 1 process improvements track (if that isn't actually an oobjective) ... raising the competition for "cool stuff" proposals by a lot
17:54:38 <mattdm> yeah, me too :)
17:54:53 * langdon holds breath til rochester..
17:55:03 <mattdm> langdon: heh. yeah.
17:55:12 <mattdm> ok five minutes left. anything else?
17:55:23 <jkurik> FESCo elections ?
17:55:30 <mattdm> sure :)
17:55:35 <mattdm> #topic FESCo election turnout
17:55:45 <mattdm> lowest turnout ever, apparently, which is kind of disturbing
17:55:52 <mattdm> maybe just bad timing with events?
17:55:53 <jwb> it isn't fesco specific though
17:56:06 <jwb> and i actuall thought the numbers for env and stacks votes were good
17:56:18 <jwb> they were almost on par with fesco, which for a smaller wg was surprising to see
17:56:37 * decause proposes an "I Voted" badge for elections?
17:56:47 <langdon> i definitely agree with the thread about "annc != able-to-vote" was a problem
17:56:47 <decause> like the sticker you get at the polls?
17:56:59 * langdon hopes the glue is better...
17:57:00 <jwb> not everyone wants one of those present on their badges page
17:57:18 <decause> jwb: def not who you voted for or anything :P
17:57:23 <mattdm> yeah, people were very paranoid about "I voted" badges when they came up
17:57:26 <mattdm> even _with_ that.
17:57:28 <sgallagh> Timing of the election voting period against Red Hat Summit was unlikely to have helped either
17:57:37 * decause hops off the soapbox then
17:57:56 <mattdm> concern was that fedmsg broadcast to get voted sticker corresponds with voting, which could lead to deanoymizing. I think.
17:57:59 <jwb> sgallagh, i don't disagree, but i also think we shouldn't be avoiding that any more than any other event
17:58:08 <threebean> mattdm: correct.
17:58:26 <sgallagh> jwb: Sure, but I think perhaps we should have run the elections a bit longer so no single event would clobber it
17:58:38 <decause> threebean: would it be possible to "replay" or queue up those posts for a later time (i.e. after the election results are posted)
17:58:54 * decause doesn't wanna get too bogged down in tech
17:58:55 <langdon> decause, needs to be during election.. but daily batches, yes...
17:59:11 <langdon> decause, "i voted" badges make other people vote in *this* election
17:59:14 <mattdm> let's revisit that -- I like the idea of badges
17:59:22 <mattdm> but on list
17:59:26 <decause> kk
17:59:28 <mattdm> anything else for now?
17:59:29 <jkurik> Will not help to notify all the FAS users explicitly about the Elections, instead of using mailing-lists ?
17:59:47 <mattdm> jkurik: you mean with direct mail?
17:59:53 <jkurik> yes
17:59:58 <mattdm> I think a lot of our userbase will hate that.
18:00:05 <decause> maybe an IRC broadcast?
18:00:19 <decause> still naggy, but not as permanent :P
18:00:19 <jkurik> yes, it is a bit offensive
18:00:36 <mattdm> presumably if they're not on the annouce lists, they don't want to hear stuff like that
18:00:55 <sgallagh> /me hopes that when Hubs is finished, we'll be able to have announcement banners on it
18:01:05 <decause> we can def discuss improving voter turnout in commops land
18:01:09 <decause> sgallagh: +1
18:01:12 <jwb> we could propose minimum voter turnout limits too
18:01:13 <mattdm> I think probably extending the voting period is the most concrete thing we can do, even though data shows that voting tends to be clustered
18:01:20 <mattdm> decause++
18:01:20 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for decause changed to 10:  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:01:27 <sgallagh> jwb: And if we fail to meet them, FESCo is disbanded? ;-)
18:01:31 <mattdm> jwb: you mean, vote extended if some threshold isn't crossed?
18:01:32 <decause> :P
18:01:37 <jwb> mattdm, yes
18:01:49 <mattdm> heh to sgallagh's plan though :)
18:02:06 <mattdm> ok now two past the hour. we are officially Losing the Meeting
18:02:08 <decause> #action decause update commops wiki with "Improve Voter Turnout" goal
18:02:12 <jwb> sgallagh, or "we'll stop holding votes and council will appoint."
18:02:18 <decause> lolol
18:02:34 <mattdm> any other urgent topics?
18:03:02 <mattdm> #endmeeting