14:05:22 <pkovar> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
14:05:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun 29 14:05:22 2015 UTC.  The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:05:28 <pkovar> #topic Roll Call
14:06:11 <dashley> dashley is here
14:06:17 * smccann is here
14:06:38 * randomuser is around
14:07:21 <kirsti> kirsti is here
14:07:32 <pkovar> okay, welcome everybody & sorry for being late :)
14:07:32 <pbokoc> .
14:09:18 <grundblom> hello
14:10:12 <pkovar> #topic New Writers
14:10:18 <pkovar> new writers around?
14:10:27 <dashley> dashley is here
14:10:39 <kirsti> yup
14:10:39 <pkovar> dashley: welcome
14:10:49 <randomuser> congrats on starting your guide, dashley
14:11:01 <kirsti> having a very very slow start... but I am still here
14:11:21 <pkovar> welcome on board, kirsti
14:11:30 <dashley> I am continuing to work on the Python Guide to libvirt. Got the connections and error chapters done
14:11:52 <kirsti> agreed with lnovich to help her on virtualization
14:11:53 <dashley> started work on the domains chapter
14:12:05 <pkovar> fwiw, here's a list of (some of the) guides we are working on
14:12:33 <randomuser> #link https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/libvirt_application_development_guide_using_python.git/
14:13:05 <randomuser> dashley, from what I've seen, it looks like your guide is coming along well, but I do have one minor gripe
14:13:14 <randomuser> I'd like to see more descriptive commit messages
14:13:27 <dashley> ok, I can do that
14:14:26 <randomuser> it's easier for others to follow, and easier for you to reference back.  Many small commits is ok, too, ie "added example python code for adding storage"
14:14:50 <dashley> I am making sure that at each commit point the guide is builable
14:14:58 * randomuser nods
14:15:36 <dashley> I will try to be a little more granular with my commits
14:15:38 <randomuser> I use `alias check='xmllint --noout --xinclude --postvalid --noent'`
14:15:44 <randomuser> sounds good, thanks
14:18:51 <pkovar> #chair randomuser
14:18:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: pkovar randomuser
14:18:59 <pkovar> #topic Publican/Publishing
14:19:16 <randomuser> oh, I have news here
14:19:17 <pkovar> randomuser: any news re: new publishing platform?
14:19:22 <pkovar> great :)
14:19:26 <randomuser> we have some raw cloud instances to play with
14:19:31 <randomuser> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4796
14:19:45 <randomuser> docs-dev-frontend.fedorainfracloud.org docs-dev-backend.fedorainfracloud.org docs-dev-builder01.fedorainfracloud.org
14:20:29 <randomuser> when I get some time, I'll merge my private ansible stuff into fedora ansible and we'll have a CI stack that everyone can play with
14:20:48 <randomuser> ...on request, let me know if you want login access
14:20:50 <grundblom> CI = Common Interface?
14:20:57 <randomuser> continuous integration
14:21:12 <randomuser> grundblom, it rebuilds the document whenever it sees a new commit
14:21:35 <grundblom> well that sounds cool
14:21:54 <randomuser> The idea is to use that for publishing
14:23:23 <randomuser> ... that's all the news I have for today
14:23:53 <pkovar> randomuser: so, what bits are missing? do we have a working tool to assemble the list of published guides yet?
14:24:20 <pkovar> i think that's something you wanted to work on?, randomuser
14:24:46 <pkovar> can other people help with that?
14:24:48 <randomuser> pkovar, I have code to build the current guides, yes
14:24:56 <pkovar> what are the required skills?
14:25:00 <pkovar> python?
14:25:14 <randomuser> basic python familiarity
14:25:24 <pkovar> can the code generate an index page, randomuser?
14:25:29 <randomuser> not yet
14:25:34 <randomuser> that's the hard part :)
14:25:44 <pkovar> yeah, randomuser :)
14:26:31 <pkovar> okay, guess we can move on
14:26:44 <pkovar> #topic Guide Status
14:27:34 <smccann_> I'm starting cleanup edits on virt-admin guide
14:27:46 <randomuser> smccann++
14:28:13 <kirsti> smccann let me know if I can do anything for you here?
14:29:04 <smccann_> will do kirsti
14:29:07 <grundblom> I have become rather inspired to do something about docker, but have become confused on where it fits in
14:29:19 <grundblom> Not sure if its virtualization, or something different..
14:29:31 <smccann_> my nickel from the last chat grundblom was think of it as a new '
14:29:39 <smccann_> gude - getting started w/ docker on fedora
14:29:42 <grundblom> Maybe it does not even warrant Fedora documentation
14:29:49 <randomuser> grundblom, what do you think about a docker-only guide?
14:30:11 <grundblom> A whole guide just to docker? maybe a guide on containers?
14:30:19 <grundblom> That sounds like the ambitious project!
14:31:11 <kirsti> hmm there is this: https://docs.docker.com/
14:31:21 <grundblom> I wouldnt mind beginning the guide
14:31:28 <smccann_> maybe not if you start small.  What are containers, what's available in Fedora and how do I bring up a container in fedora?
14:31:34 <pkovar> grundblom: you might want to coordinate with brian exelbierd
14:31:55 <pkovar> as he's been working on containers and stuff for quite some time
14:31:58 <grundblom> pkovar, yes he offered to help, which I will gladly take him up on
14:32:08 <pkovar> grundblom: excellent :)
14:32:43 <randomuser> I was thinking recently that nspawn containers are baked enough to cover, but writing that up is too ambitious for me at the moment :P
14:34:24 <pkovar> okay
14:34:37 <pkovar> Capesteve asked me to share this proposal with you
14:34:42 <pkovar> http://piratepad.net/lnc5Pk2kCK
14:34:50 <pkovar> "Can we agree on a system for Revision History file entries for version number, entries in Book_Info, and entries in publican.cfg"
14:34:57 <pkovar> please have a look at it
14:35:30 <pkovar> if you are opposed to the proposal, let the group know
14:35:53 <randomuser> #info Stephen proposes to stop putting version info in publican.cfg, be consistent in book_info.xml
14:37:02 <randomuser> pkovar, does a '0' release make a sane envr? I don't recall
14:37:43 <pkovar> randomuser: hrmmm, me neither
14:37:58 * randomuser tests
14:41:19 <pkovar> got a result? :)
14:41:53 <randomuser> mock is running, but the cache was empty, don't wait up
14:42:24 * randomuser is on ADSL, it will be slow
14:42:43 <pkovar> randomuser: okay
14:42:45 <pkovar> nw
14:43:04 <pkovar> other than stephen's proposal
14:43:16 <pkovar> is there anything else we want to cover?
14:43:20 <pkovar> for guides
14:44:20 <pkovar> #link http://piratepad.net/lnc5Pk2kCK
14:44:37 <pkovar> #topic Open Floor Discussion
14:46:04 <randomuser> so, my schedule is in flux for a while, and chairing a meeting is a good way for people to get engaged.  It occurred to me that we could try rotating chairs.
14:47:01 <randomuser> Any thoughts?  Would you all take a turn?
14:47:57 <smccann_> you got a secret decoder ring on how to do the special tags etc that make meeting  minutes?
14:48:22 <pkovar> #chair smccann_
14:48:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: pkovar randomuser smccann_
14:48:24 <randomuser> the bot tells you at the beginning of the meeting
14:48:30 <pkovar> smccann_: try it for yourself :)
14:48:46 <randomuser> to start, I paste from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_admin_notes#Ending_a_meeting
14:48:54 <randomuser> or... #starting a meeting
14:48:56 <smccann_> #info looking to round-robin meeting chairs
14:49:31 <randomuser> smccann_ raised a point of information in the "Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings" meeting in #fedora-meeting: "looking to round-robin meeting chairs" None
14:49:39 <randomuser> success!
14:50:19 <smccann_> heh.. anyway if the only other hashtag I need to  know is the info one, sure, I can take a spin in the power chair :-)
14:50:42 <randomuser> topic, info, agenda is about it
14:51:10 <randomuser> #action smccann_ to chair 6 July meeting
14:52:04 <smccann_> open mouth, insert action item
14:52:14 <randomuser> heh
14:54:06 <grundblom> Congrats smccann
14:57:49 <pkovar> looks like we covered it all
14:57:59 <pkovar> thank you, everybody
14:58:10 <pkovar> #endmeeting