15:00:04 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:00:08 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:12 <adamw> #topic Roll call
15:00:17 <adamw> ahoyhoy, who's up for some meets?
15:00:22 * kparal is here
15:00:30 * pschindl is here
15:01:22 * lbrabec is lurking
15:01:28 * kparal pokes garretraziel
15:01:45 * pwhalen is here
15:02:42 <adamw> meety meety meet meets
15:02:42 * garretraziel is here
15:03:02 * satellit listening
15:03:07 <adamw> #chair kparal pwhalen satellit
15:03:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: adamw kparal pwhalen satellit
15:03:27 * roshi is here as well
15:03:34 <adamw> thanks for turning up, everyone
15:03:53 * tflink is mostly here, wrapping up the qadevel meeting
15:03:53 <nirik> adamw: you cc'ed me and dgilmore on the meeting... did you need us around in particular?
15:04:17 <adamw> nirik: just thought you might have notes on the f23 status topic since tc1 is coming up - that'll be after previous meeting follow-up, in 5-10 mins
15:04:31 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:04:32 <nirik> ok, not really, but happy to try. ;)
15:04:42 <adamw> no problems if you don't :)
15:05:21 <adamw> #info "adamw to nominate a nightly and add instructions to the page and list about avoiding the syslinux bug" - in the end we managed to fix the syslinux bug and nominate 07-04 which didn't have it.
15:06:02 <adamw> #info "adamw to check in with releng what's happened to boot.iso generation" - well, boot.iso generation started working again, so that was ok.
15:06:09 * danofsatx has arrived, you can start the meeting now
15:06:16 * adamw looks guilty
15:06:40 <adamw> #info "roshi to send out the call for Test Days this week" - he did that, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2015-June/001082.html
15:06:42 <dgilmore> adamw: I am in a video meeting so can not participate
15:06:59 <adamw> no probs
15:07:07 <adamw> anyone have anything else to follow up on from last time?
15:07:25 <danofsatx> there was a last time?
15:10:29 <adamw> i'm pretty sure this isn't the first qa meeting ever
15:10:43 <adamw> or else i've been getting up early and talking to myself in empty irc rooms for a long time...
15:10:49 <roshi> depends on your definition of "ever," I guess
15:11:09 <adamw> allllrighty then
15:11:13 <adamw> #topic Fedora 23 status
15:11:14 <danofsatx> shhhh.....let's let adamw think he's talking to himself again
15:11:15 <roshi> adamw: we're all small figures on the periphery of your mind - there is no irc, there is no room
15:11:17 * satellit FYI 20150713 lives do not start past boot menu and no boot.iso for several days...
15:11:21 <roshi> we're you conscience
15:11:25 <roshi> s/you/your
15:11:28 <adamw> roshi: then why do your neck meats taste so delicious?
15:11:39 <adamw> satellit: oh good, so that all looks promising :)
15:11:51 <satellit> : /
15:11:53 <adamw> satellit: i was actually about to ask you since you tend to try the nightlies a lot...thanks
15:12:24 <adamw> so, indeed, Alpha TC1 is scheduled for tomorrow; if live image boot is broken and boot.iso generation isn't working then, er, probably be a good idea to fix that!
15:12:31 <adamw> nirik: any ideas, or is this new to you?
15:12:40 <adamw> #action adamw to look into nightly image failures ahead of TC1
15:13:34 <satellit> I am testing in VirtualBox...nice to get confirmation
15:14:06 <nirik> it is?
15:14:09 <nirik> that seems weird...
15:14:13 <nirik> since branch is tomorrow.
15:14:25 <nirik> and we need that done before we can make a tc
15:14:43 <adamw> nirik: they're usually scheduled for the same day.
15:15:05 <nirik> I guess it should be: branching then tc1 (whenever branch is done)
15:15:06 <adamw> if that's not practical then it'd probably be a good idea to let whoever's making the schedules know :)
15:15:28 <nirik> well, it's not, but not sure how to predict how long mass branch will take
15:16:16 <nirik> anyhow, we will do it when we can. ;)
15:16:21 <adamw> roger
15:16:28 <adamw> i'll be sure to yell at you for being late
15:16:36 <adamw> satellit: what was the last nightly that booted OK?
15:17:21 <satellit> need to check  but several days ago  (I am on f22 atm on different PC)
15:17:49 <adamw> no probs, i can figure it out, just would save a bit of time if you knew already
15:18:09 <satellit> will reboot into efi f23 and look
15:18:26 <adamw> you've been testing with UEFI exclusively? or also BIOS?
15:19:51 <satellit> both
15:20:22 <satellit> nuc (efi) and MSI windbox bios boot
15:21:25 <adamw> cool, thanks
15:21:47 <adamw> #info satellit reports recent nightly live boots fail and boot.iso has been missing in recent days
15:22:08 <adamw> i'm pretty sure there was an 07-10 boot.iso , so must be since then that it broke?
15:23:40 <satellit> 0705 mate is last live that installed
15:23:53 <adamw> ok, thanks
15:24:25 <satellit> opps maybe 0709 let me boot it
15:25:32 <adamw> that's alright, we'll figure it out
15:25:44 <adamw> so basically, status is alpha tc1 is coming up soon but we might need to fix some stuff to make sure it works :)
15:25:49 <adamw> anyone have other notes?
15:25:50 <kparal> we've noticed serious uefi installation issues with f22 netinst (latest kernel/efibootmgr). it's likely to affect f23 as well
15:26:12 <kparal> will check once we have installation media
15:26:56 <adamw> OK
15:28:11 <adamw> moving on, then!
15:28:15 <adamw> #topic Fedora 23 Test Days
15:28:22 <adamw> so the call for Test Days went out as noted earlier, thanks roshi
15:28:38 <roshi> np - gonna follow up on them and start pinging people this weekend
15:28:40 <roshi> er
15:28:41 <roshi> this week
15:29:02 <satellit> f23 workstation x86_64 20150709  installed here  last one
15:29:49 <adamw> so far we have proposals for l10n and i18n test days, which are a pretty regular pair
15:29:50 <kalev> satellit: did you notice if it got workstation branding in the installer?
15:30:04 <kalev> I tried to blindly fix it the other day, but haven't gotten around to downloading a new image
15:30:47 <pjones> kparal: hey, you have a bz for those uefi issues?
15:30:59 * kparal looking
15:31:16 <kparal> pjones: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1235323
15:31:36 <kparal> I've seen similar issues reported on IRC as well
15:31:39 <satellit> boot.iso 0709 workstation install had no menu (Activities)
15:31:45 <brunowolff> I have proposed 1224561 as a final blocker. It involves lvm2 (and hence anaconda) not being installable with generic-release which could be a problem for people wanting to make generic-release installable live images, but isn't an issue for our artifacts.
15:32:10 <kparal> pjones: it most probably does not happen with F22 DVD, but does with netinst, so it must be caused by some updated package
15:32:27 <kparal> me and pschindl can verify that claim if needed
15:32:28 <pjones> oh huh, hand't realized we haven't built 0.12 there.
15:32:35 <adamw> there do seem to have been quite a lot of reports of efibootmgr stage failing that i've noticed.
15:32:43 <adamw> #topic Fedora 23 status
15:32:50 <adamw> (because yeah, that seems to be where we still are. :>)
15:32:58 <pjones> er, huh, because we have.
15:35:05 <kalev> anyone know if the product branding in anaconda is now working with latest images?
15:35:13 <kalev> I can test it myself too, just wondering if anyone noticed :)
15:35:16 <adamw> i don't have a workstation nightly later than 04-07 handy
15:35:19 <adamw> er, 07-04.'
15:37:17 <pjones> kparal: can you confirm that the report is correct that you're looking at efibootmgr-0.11.0 ?  'cause https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2015-9358/efivar-0.20-1.fc22,efibootmgr-0.12-1.fc22,fwupdate-0.4-1.fc22 was marked stable 22 or so days before the report is filed, and that's weird.
15:37:23 <adamw> zoiks, netsplit hoy
15:37:32 <adamw> alright, can we go on to test days now? :)
15:37:38 <adamw> kalev: we promise we'll let you know about branding shortly
15:37:54 <kalev> awesome, thanks!
15:39:09 <satellit> kalev  boot line on 0709 has "Workstation Edition "
15:39:19 <adamw> satellit: it's the anaconda UI he's interested in
15:39:38 <adamw> i'm getting the 07-13 nightly now, i'll take a look
15:39:41 <adamw> (if it boots...)
15:39:49 * adamw tries test days again :P
15:39:52 <adamw> #topic Fedora 23 Test Days
15:40:13 <kparal> pjones: I received that error with efibootmgr-0.12-1. looking into anaconda logs now.
15:40:30 <adamw> so yeah, we have only i18n and l10n test days proposed so far. they probably won't need much help as the folks who run them are used to it, but is anyone specifically interested in helping organize / promote them?
15:40:54 <roshi> those two test days, or test days in general?
15:42:25 <adamw> roshi: i figured i'd ask about specific test days that are planned to see if anyone particularly has an interest in the topic area
15:42:32 <adamw> thought it might be a nice way to get more attention on them
15:43:06 <roshi> makes sense
15:43:20 <roshi> I have yet to ping change owners for testdays - what I was going to do this week
15:43:59 <adamw> thanks, yeah, that should get us some more
15:44:12 <adamw> i was thinking we could take a quick look through the Change list and see if we see any in particular that look like good candidates
15:44:15 <roshi> sorry I don't have much for this topic as of yet
15:44:19 <roshi> sure
15:44:23 * roshi grabs a link
15:44:38 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver looks like one
15:45:00 <adamw> possibly https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging , not sure how significant that is
15:45:02 <pjones> kparal: how reproduceable is it?  Every time, or just occasionally, or what?
15:45:32 <adamw> maybe https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SystemFirmwareUpdates for the brave :P
15:45:35 <pjones> kparal: (and can you get me an strace of it , and an ltrace with efibootmgr, efivars, and glibc debuginfo installed?)
15:45:53 <adamw> pjones: kparal: can you maybe discuss it in #fedora-qa or -devel or anaconda?
15:46:11 <kparal> moving to #fedora-devel
15:46:14 <pjones> adamw: yeah, sorry
15:46:17 <adamw> thanks
15:46:21 <roshi> local dns could use one, for sure
15:47:03 <adamw> possibly https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Containerized_Server_Roles
15:47:16 <adamw> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/ChangeSet is the link i'm using, anyone see any others?
15:47:51 <adamw> i figure we can keep the list, and if any of them aren't proposed by Change owners once roshi sends out a mail, we can ping those ones directly and see
15:47:53 <roshi> It'd be nice to get some testing for the Atomic image - but it's not blocking for release (it's a spin now)
15:48:05 <roshi> makes sense to me
15:48:19 <roshi> cockpit gui would be good
15:49:15 <adamw> i think that one may not be getting done
15:49:32 <adamw> i may be recalling the wrong thing, but i think it's one that was part of summer of code and basically didn't work out well
15:49:37 <adamw> i'll have to check the server meeting logs to be sure
15:51:12 <adamw> #info Changes that we think would benefit from Test Days: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SystemFirmwareUpdates , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Containerized_Server_Roles , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Cockpit_Domain_Controller_GUI - if the Change owners do not respond to the general Change tes
15:51:12 <adamw> t day mail roshi will soon send, we'll ping them directly
15:51:18 <adamw> grrr. well, close enough.
15:51:34 <adamw> ok, just under 10 minutes left, so let's go on to...
15:51:36 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:51:39 <adamw> any other business, folks?
15:51:53 <roshi> blocker meeting in 10 over in #fedora-blocker-review
15:54:01 <roshi> that's all I have though
15:54:25 <roshi> oh, and if you haven't made reservations for flock, I think the window on the hotel block is closing this week
15:54:29 <roshi> if it hasn't already
15:54:35 * roshi thought it was the 15th though
15:58:26 <adamw> thanks roshi!
15:58:32 <adamw> sounds like that's about it...
15:58:33 * adamw sets fuse
15:58:49 <kalev> re my earlier branding question, satellit just showed me http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Workstation_branding.JPG
15:58:55 <kalev> seems to be working correctly now
16:00:49 <adamw> alrighty, blocker review time in #fedora-blocker-review , let's go!
16:00:52 <adamw> thanks for coming folks
16:00:54 <adamw> #endmeeting