15:00:04 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00:04 Meeting started Mon Jul 13 15:00:04 2015 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:08 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:08 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:12 #topic Roll call 15:00:17 ahoyhoy, who's up for some meets? 15:00:22 * kparal is here 15:00:30 * pschindl is here 15:01:22 * lbrabec is lurking 15:01:28 * kparal pokes garretraziel 15:01:45 * pwhalen is here 15:02:42 meety meety meet meets 15:02:42 * garretraziel is here 15:03:02 * satellit listening 15:03:07 #chair kparal pwhalen satellit 15:03:07 Current chairs: adamw kparal pwhalen satellit 15:03:27 * roshi is here as well 15:03:34 thanks for turning up, everyone 15:03:53 * tflink is mostly here, wrapping up the qadevel meeting 15:03:53 adamw: you cc'ed me and dgilmore on the meeting... did you need us around in particular? 15:04:17 nirik: just thought you might have notes on the f23 status topic since tc1 is coming up - that'll be after previous meeting follow-up, in 5-10 mins 15:04:31 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:04:32 ok, not really, but happy to try. ;) 15:04:42 no problems if you don't :) 15:05:21 #info "adamw to nominate a nightly and add instructions to the page and list about avoiding the syslinux bug" - in the end we managed to fix the syslinux bug and nominate 07-04 which didn't have it. 15:06:02 #info "adamw to check in with releng what's happened to boot.iso generation" - well, boot.iso generation started working again, so that was ok. 15:06:09 * danofsatx has arrived, you can start the meeting now 15:06:16 * adamw looks guilty 15:06:40 #info "roshi to send out the call for Test Days this week" - he did that, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2015-June/001082.html 15:06:42 adamw: I am in a video meeting so can not participate 15:06:59 no probs 15:07:07 anyone have anything else to follow up on from last time? 15:07:25 there was a last time? 15:10:29 i'm pretty sure this isn't the first qa meeting ever 15:10:43 or else i've been getting up early and talking to myself in empty irc rooms for a long time... 15:10:49 depends on your definition of "ever," I guess 15:11:09 allllrighty then 15:11:13 #topic Fedora 23 status 15:11:14 shhhh.....let's let adamw think he's talking to himself again 15:11:15 adamw: we're all small figures on the periphery of your mind - there is no irc, there is no room 15:11:17 * satellit FYI 20150713 lives do not start past boot menu and no boot.iso for several days... 15:11:21 we're you conscience 15:11:25 s/you/your 15:11:28 roshi: then why do your neck meats taste so delicious? 15:11:39 satellit: oh good, so that all looks promising :) 15:11:51 : / 15:11:53 satellit: i was actually about to ask you since you tend to try the nightlies a lot...thanks 15:12:24 so, indeed, Alpha TC1 is scheduled for tomorrow; if live image boot is broken and boot.iso generation isn't working then, er, probably be a good idea to fix that! 15:12:31 nirik: any ideas, or is this new to you? 15:12:40 #action adamw to look into nightly image failures ahead of TC1 15:13:34 I am testing in VirtualBox...nice to get confirmation 15:14:06 it is? 15:14:09 that seems weird... 15:14:13 since branch is tomorrow. 15:14:25 and we need that done before we can make a tc 15:14:43 nirik: they're usually scheduled for the same day. 15:15:05 I guess it should be: branching then tc1 (whenever branch is done) 15:15:06 if that's not practical then it'd probably be a good idea to let whoever's making the schedules know :) 15:15:28 well, it's not, but not sure how to predict how long mass branch will take 15:16:16 anyhow, we will do it when we can. ;) 15:16:21 roger 15:16:28 i'll be sure to yell at you for being late 15:16:36 satellit: what was the last nightly that booted OK? 15:17:21 need to check but several days ago (I am on f22 atm on different PC) 15:17:49 no probs, i can figure it out, just would save a bit of time if you knew already 15:18:09 will reboot into efi f23 and look 15:18:26 you've been testing with UEFI exclusively? or also BIOS? 15:19:51 both 15:20:22 nuc (efi) and MSI windbox bios boot 15:21:25 cool, thanks 15:21:47 #info satellit reports recent nightly live boots fail and boot.iso has been missing in recent days 15:22:08 i'm pretty sure there was an 07-10 boot.iso , so must be since then that it broke? 15:23:40 0705 mate is last live that installed 15:23:53 ok, thanks 15:24:25 opps maybe 0709 let me boot it 15:25:32 that's alright, we'll figure it out 15:25:44 so basically, status is alpha tc1 is coming up soon but we might need to fix some stuff to make sure it works :) 15:25:49 anyone have other notes? 15:25:50 we've noticed serious uefi installation issues with f22 netinst (latest kernel/efibootmgr). it's likely to affect f23 as well 15:26:12 will check once we have installation media 15:26:56 OK 15:28:11 moving on, then! 15:28:15 #topic Fedora 23 Test Days 15:28:22 so the call for Test Days went out as noted earlier, thanks roshi 15:28:38 np - gonna follow up on them and start pinging people this weekend 15:28:40 er 15:28:41 this week 15:29:02 f23 workstation x86_64 20150709 installed here last one 15:29:49 so far we have proposals for l10n and i18n test days, which are a pretty regular pair 15:29:50 satellit: did you notice if it got workstation branding in the installer? 15:30:04 I tried to blindly fix it the other day, but haven't gotten around to downloading a new image 15:30:47 kparal: hey, you have a bz for those uefi issues? 15:30:59 * kparal looking 15:31:16 pjones: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1235323 15:31:36 I've seen similar issues reported on IRC as well 15:31:39 boot.iso 0709 workstation install had no menu (Activities) 15:31:45 I have proposed 1224561 as a final blocker. It involves lvm2 (and hence anaconda) not being installable with generic-release which could be a problem for people wanting to make generic-release installable live images, but isn't an issue for our artifacts. 15:32:10 pjones: it most probably does not happen with F22 DVD, but does with netinst, so it must be caused by some updated package 15:32:27 me and pschindl can verify that claim if needed 15:32:28 oh huh, hand't realized we haven't built 0.12 there. 15:32:35 there do seem to have been quite a lot of reports of efibootmgr stage failing that i've noticed. 15:32:43 #topic Fedora 23 status 15:32:50 (because yeah, that seems to be where we still are. :>) 15:32:58 er, huh, because we have. 15:35:05 anyone know if the product branding in anaconda is now working with latest images? 15:35:13 I can test it myself too, just wondering if anyone noticed :) 15:35:16 i don't have a workstation nightly later than 04-07 handy 15:35:19 er, 07-04.' 15:37:17 kparal: can you confirm that the report is correct that you're looking at efibootmgr-0.11.0 ? 'cause https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2015-9358/efivar-0.20-1.fc22,efibootmgr-0.12-1.fc22,fwupdate-0.4-1.fc22 was marked stable 22 or so days before the report is filed, and that's weird. 15:37:23 zoiks, netsplit hoy 15:37:32 alright, can we go on to test days now? :) 15:37:38 kalev: we promise we'll let you know about branding shortly 15:37:54 awesome, thanks! 15:39:09 kalev boot line on 0709 has "Workstation Edition " 15:39:19 satellit: it's the anaconda UI he's interested in 15:39:38 i'm getting the 07-13 nightly now, i'll take a look 15:39:41 (if it boots...) 15:39:49 * adamw tries test days again :P 15:39:52 #topic Fedora 23 Test Days 15:40:13 pjones: I received that error with efibootmgr-0.12-1. looking into anaconda logs now. 15:40:30 so yeah, we have only i18n and l10n test days proposed so far. they probably won't need much help as the folks who run them are used to it, but is anyone specifically interested in helping organize / promote them? 15:40:54 those two test days, or test days in general? 15:42:25 roshi: i figured i'd ask about specific test days that are planned to see if anyone particularly has an interest in the topic area 15:42:32 thought it might be a nice way to get more attention on them 15:43:06 makes sense 15:43:20 I have yet to ping change owners for testdays - what I was going to do this week 15:43:59 thanks, yeah, that should get us some more 15:44:12 i was thinking we could take a quick look through the Change list and see if we see any in particular that look like good candidates 15:44:15 sorry I don't have much for this topic as of yet 15:44:19 sure 15:44:23 * roshi grabs a link 15:44:38 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver looks like one 15:45:00 possibly https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging , not sure how significant that is 15:45:02 kparal: how reproduceable is it? Every time, or just occasionally, or what? 15:45:32 maybe https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SystemFirmwareUpdates for the brave :P 15:45:35 kparal: (and can you get me an strace of it , and an ltrace with efibootmgr, efivars, and glibc debuginfo installed?) 15:45:53 pjones: kparal: can you maybe discuss it in #fedora-qa or -devel or anaconda? 15:46:11 moving to #fedora-devel 15:46:14 adamw: yeah, sorry 15:46:17 thanks 15:46:21 local dns could use one, for sure 15:47:03 possibly https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Containerized_Server_Roles 15:47:16 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/ChangeSet is the link i'm using, anyone see any others? 15:47:51 i figure we can keep the list, and if any of them aren't proposed by Change owners once roshi sends out a mail, we can ping those ones directly and see 15:47:53 It'd be nice to get some testing for the Atomic image - but it's not blocking for release (it's a spin now) 15:48:05 makes sense to me 15:48:19 cockpit gui would be good 15:49:15 i think that one may not be getting done 15:49:32 i may be recalling the wrong thing, but i think it's one that was part of summer of code and basically didn't work out well 15:49:37 i'll have to check the server meeting logs to be sure 15:51:12 #info Changes that we think would benefit from Test Days: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SystemFirmwareUpdates , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Containerized_Server_Roles , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Cockpit_Domain_Controller_GUI - if the Change owners do not respond to the general Change tes 15:51:12 t day mail roshi will soon send, we'll ping them directly 15:51:18 grrr. well, close enough. 15:51:34 ok, just under 10 minutes left, so let's go on to... 15:51:36 #topic Open floor 15:51:39 any other business, folks? 15:51:53 blocker meeting in 10 over in #fedora-blocker-review 15:54:01 that's all I have though 15:54:25 oh, and if you haven't made reservations for flock, I think the window on the hotel block is closing this week 15:54:29 if it hasn't already 15:54:35 * roshi thought it was the 15th though 15:58:26 thanks roshi! 15:58:32 sounds like that's about it... 15:58:33 * adamw sets fuse 15:58:49 re my earlier branding question, satellit just showed me http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Workstation_branding.JPG 15:58:55 seems to be working correctly now 16:00:49 alrighty, blocker review time in #fedora-blocker-review , let's go! 16:00:52 thanks for coming folks 16:00:54 #endmeeting