14:01:06 <randomuser`> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
14:01:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jul 20 14:01:06 2015 UTC.  The chair is randomuser`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:01:06 <randomuser`> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:01:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:01:06 <randomuser`> #topic Roll Call
14:01:10 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:01:11 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:01:21 * smccann is here
14:01:27 * zoglesby is here
14:01:34 <grundblom> is here
14:01:43 * lnovich is here
14:01:46 * jjmcd 
14:03:09 * Capesteve waves
14:03:17 <grundblom> ah, dang it I forgot how to emote again
14:03:25 <grundblom> ./me?
14:03:30 <bexelbie> grundblom, yes
14:03:31 <bexelbie> no .
14:03:39 * pbokoc 
14:04:42 <randomuser`> great, welcome
14:04:49 * grundblom is here
14:04:52 <grundblom> YAY!!!
14:05:05 <smccann> hah go you grundblom!
14:05:19 <randomuser`> anyone have last week's minutes handy? If not, I'll skip action item review for now
14:06:08 * randomuser` finds it
14:06:17 <smccann> I think we voted you to bring the beer
14:06:26 <randomuser`> bexelbie, you were going to talk to the centos GSoC folks?
14:06:34 <randomuser`> ... three times, apparently
14:06:35 <zoglesby> randomuser`: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora_docs/fedora_docs.2015-07-13-14.10.html/
14:06:39 <pkovar> /me is here
14:06:52 <zoglesby> also meetbot's website got a new overhal since the last time I looked at it
14:07:06 <bexelbie> randomuser`, there was excitement!
14:07:10 <randomuser`> yeah, mote is neat
14:07:45 <randomuser`> note that #meetingname is important for getting the minutes in a predictable place
14:09:16 <randomuser`> ... I've been roughly following this; they've synced up a github repo with a pagure repo and are doing something with jekyll?
14:09:53 <bexelbie> the jekyll bit I haven't confirmed
14:09:58 <bexelbie> the first bit is correct
14:11:26 <randomuser`> ok then
14:11:40 <randomuser`> #topic New Writers
14:11:48 <bexelbie> Where I am hoping to get value from the conversation is 1: can we use it and 2: how are they going to handle formats/differing lengths
14:13:00 <zoglesby> Kelvar is not here, but is interested in working on tending the wiki
14:13:28 <randomuser`> excellent.  The wiki needs that.
14:13:54 <zoglesby> indeed
14:14:25 <randomuser`> maybe we should be suggesting that as a startup activity for new folks :)
14:14:45 <randomuser`> #topic Release Notes Beats
14:14:59 <randomuser`> I'm going to plow through the agenda until someone gets excited about a topic
14:15:12 <randomuser`> #action randomuser to clear beats for F23
14:15:23 <randomuser`> #action to hand out badges for F22 beat writing, already
14:15:27 <randomuser`> #undo
14:15:27 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by randomuser` at 14:15:23 : to hand out badges for F22 beat writing, already
14:15:36 <randomuser`> #action randomuser to hand out badges for F22 beat writing, already
14:15:39 * kirsti joining late,
14:15:53 <randomuser`> would someone like to send an updated Change summary to the list?
14:16:47 <randomuser`> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/23/ChangeSet
14:17:00 <zoglesby> Ill take it
14:17:11 <randomuser`> #info F23 Alpha Freeze is in just over a week
14:17:49 <randomuser`> #action zoglesby to send Change summary to list, ask for Docs Contacts
14:18:47 <randomuser`> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-docs-tasks.html
14:19:05 <randomuser`> somewhere around there are ical files to import into $calendar_client for you
14:19:16 <randomuser`> ... and so the churn begins again
14:19:23 <randomuser`> any questions on the release notes process?
14:19:29 <grundblom> yay badges I was going to ask about that
14:19:38 <grundblom> sorry, unexpected cube visitors
14:19:49 <zoglesby> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-docs.ics
14:20:39 <randomuser`> ... and according to the schedule, I should be mailing previous beat writers and recruiting new ones
14:22:00 <randomuser`> #action randomuser to make list of beat writers while assigning badges and ask those people to keep beat writing
14:22:04 <zoglesby> randomuser`: we can call that a part of the email I sent out
14:22:16 <randomuser`> zoglesby, WORKSFORME, thanks
14:22:27 <zoglesby> oh, you are going to do it by person? We always just mailed the list
14:22:49 <randomuser`> I'm pondering a more considered recruitment strategy, but it can be discussed out of band
14:23:04 <randomuser`> zoglesby, yeah, for one or two releases in the past, I've mailed folks personally
14:23:30 <zoglesby> randomuser`: okay you do that, I will mail docs@, you want to mail devel?
14:23:36 <randomuser`> sure
14:23:48 <randomuser`> #action randomuser to mail devel (devel-announce) after clearing beats
14:24:22 <randomuser`> what else...
14:24:49 <randomuser`> I'd really like to get SIGs involved in the process
14:25:12 <randomuser`> I've also tried mailing some SIG lists with beats info, with mixed results
14:26:36 <randomuser`> well, that's enough action for one topic, we can move on
14:26:47 <randomuser`> #topic Publishing
14:27:08 <randomuser`> I found some time to learn python-docutils better, but no real news
14:27:34 <randomuser`> Any questions or volunteerings before we move on?
14:28:44 <randomuser`> OK
14:28:50 <randomuser`> #topic Guide Status
14:29:18 <bexelbie> randomuser`, have we considered daps?
14:29:21 <randomuser`> nope
14:29:26 <bexelbie> ack, missed it - we can talk later
14:30:17 <grundblom> I made a lot of updates to the getting started guide, thats an update
14:30:39 <randomuser`> opensuse.github.io/daps/ ?  I don't think moving to another docbook-only solution is the best move for us
14:30:44 <grundblom> er, virt getting started guide
14:30:53 <bexelbie> randomuser`, agreed
14:31:02 <bexelbie> but using it to build docbook instead of publican may be
14:31:09 <bexelbie> I haven't explored hte space fully yet
14:31:19 <randomuser`> nice!  There's been a lot of discussion around the big virt guide, anyone have news to share?
14:32:02 <zoglesby> I googled 'python daps' and got 'DevAssistant Packages'. I figured that is what bexelbie was talking about.
14:32:18 <bexelbie> zoglesby, nope, but it is cool :)
14:32:37 <smccann> I'm slowly chugging thru the bigger virt guide - removing RHEL references
14:33:46 * Capesteve has important stuff building up for rsyslog and GRUB chapters in SysAdmin Guide. Will make effort in September to update the guide.
14:33:49 <lnovich> thanks smccann
14:33:49 <grundblom> I want to start helping with the big guide
14:34:07 <randomuser`> #info smccann is fedora-izing the VADG
14:34:29 <lnovich> the VDAG needs a pruning as well - but we can get to it later I guess
14:34:36 <smccann> would welcome any help grundblom - it's HUGE!
14:34:47 <grundblom> VDAG?
14:34:58 <randomuser`> Capesteve, I've been trying to keep a handle on GRUB/boot stuff, let me know where help would help
14:35:09 <smccann> lnovich - if you have entire chapters you know you want removed, mark up the wiki page and we can make that happen :-)
14:35:09 <lnovich> #info VDAG -Virtualization Deployment and Administration Guide
14:35:18 <lnovich> link?
14:36:02 <grundblom> thanks
14:36:38 <grundblom> I noticed a lot has changed in the boxes version of F22, vs F21 could we make the changes I made this weekend apart of the F22 guide or is that locked in place?
14:37:02 <smccann> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virt_Deploy_Admin_Planning  for VDAG planning
14:37:41 <randomuser`> grundblom, nope, you can update it
14:39:14 <randomuser`> I think everyone has spoken up about their guide work, so...
14:39:20 <grundblom> Great! I will be happy to, I will just need to remember how to do that
14:39:27 <randomuser`> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:39:35 <randomuser`> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:39:45 <randomuser`> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:39:51 <randomuser`> yes, there are bugs
14:39:58 <zoglesby> say what!
14:40:18 <randomuser`> many of them are old and should be aggressively WONTFIXed !
14:41:16 <randomuser`> ...or some sort of action, anyway.  There's a lot there.
14:41:48 <randomuser`> I think I'll start asking for N patches or bz resolutions before sponsoring people
14:41:54 <Capesteve> I'll work on bugs in September as part of F23 review
14:42:18 * lnovich gives Capesteve a very large flyswatter
14:42:45 <randomuser`> Any particular bugs to discuss?  If not...
14:43:50 <randomuser`> #topic Open floor discussion
14:43:54 <randomuser`> #topic Open floor discussion
14:43:59 <Capesteve> I propose a login tax. Any one logging into or out of a meeting during the meeting time will be charged one Major Currency Unit (MCU)
14:44:19 <randomuser`> Capesteve++
14:44:24 <jjmcd> +1
14:44:38 <grundblom> So, I was thinking about the docker guide, and I would like to move slowly into that and build my understanding more
14:45:02 <grundblom> I thought maybe a small section in the getting started guide on how to use it as quasi-virtulization would be a good place to start
14:45:11 <grundblom> or maybe its a bad idea..
14:45:23 <randomuser`> grundblom, maybe use the wiki, to start?  You seem to be blocked on what guide to put it in
14:45:51 <randomuser`> that might become more apparent after you start writing
14:46:13 <zoglesby> +1
14:46:41 <grundblom> Thanks randomuser, yes that sounds like a good idea
14:46:48 <smccann> Defintely +1 for getting docker somewheres
14:47:10 <lnovich> Capesteve: that MCU should be transfered to the chairman of the meeting
14:47:15 <grundblom> Its solving some problems for me in the field, and I feel like it could help others too, just having a hard time to find the appropriate place to put it
14:47:40 <grundblom> This is my starting place: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Publican_Docker
14:47:44 <randomuser`> lnovich, oh, good call!
14:47:51 <randomuser`> #chair Capesteve
14:47:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: Capesteve randomuser`
14:47:58 <lnovich> thought you would like that randomuser
14:48:39 <randomuser`> I'll let Capesteve take it, you loose a lot of value converting Major Currency Units from metric to imperial
14:48:43 <zoglesby> randomuser`: just don't forget about your taxes
14:49:38 * randomuser` assumes meetbot will send a 1099
14:49:46 <lnovich> forget it - If I have to take the MCUs I get taxed in two locations!
14:50:24 <lnovich> the lovely part of being a US expat - the FBAR and the 1040
14:51:04 <randomuser`> that sounds expensive
14:51:05 <zoglesby> lnovich: uncle sam has to make money somehow
14:51:24 <Capesteve> and honest work no longer pays what it used to
14:51:50 <bexelbie> lnovich, just claim it as non-US source income and back it out :D
14:51:51 <lnovich> the expensive part is the accountant I need to have on retainer so I don't have to pay so much
14:52:06 <bexelbie> you should have some headroom left in your FEIE
14:52:11 <bexelbie> :D
14:52:43 <grundblom> smccann, lnovich, I would like to get back into helping, is there anything on the big virt guides I could do to help?
14:52:53 <lnovich> ok back to the VDAG elephant
14:52:59 <randomuser`> iirc expenses from preparing taxes are tax deductible
14:53:09 <lnovich> grundblom: I am holding office hours on Wed and Thurs
14:53:22 <lnovich> #info - office hours at 9AM EST Wed
14:53:30 <randomuser`> for this time window, coming up with a plan to make a plan is probably best
14:53:35 <grundblom> gotcha, I will be there
14:53:38 <lnovich> #info - same on thurs
14:53:48 <smccann> grundblom - all I'm doing right now is editing one chapter at a time from the start to remove RHEL references etc
14:53:55 <bexelbie> randomuser`, they are, subject to the 2% haircut on schedule A
14:54:02 <lnovich> #info - Wed office hours will discuss the VDAG
14:54:13 <smccann> if you are bored, you could start at the back end of the guide.  Or if you want real work, talk to lnovich about how this can be simplified etc
14:54:20 <lnovich> and thurs is an introduction to GIT - if anyone needs a refresher
14:55:28 <randomuser`> cool
14:56:47 <randomuser`> crickets@
14:56:54 <randomuser`> !
14:57:02 <randomuser`> Thanks for coming, everyone
14:57:05 <randomuser`> #endmeeting