06:00:29 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
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06:00:33 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
06:00:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:01:08 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:01:08 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-07-22
06:01:12 <pravins> Hi all,
06:01:12 <Satya> hi!
06:01:13 <paragan> Hi
06:01:27 <fujiwarat> hi
06:01:37 <epico> hi
06:01:48 <pravins> hi Satya paragan fujiwarat epico  :)
06:02:03 <anish_> Hi!
06:02:15 <mfabian> Hi!
06:02:17 <pravins> Lets have a quickly meeting and see our progress for Fedora 23
06:02:24 <pravins> hi anish_  mfabian :)
06:02:29 <pravins> While other joins lets see upcoming schedule
06:02:35 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:02:35 <pravins> #info 2015-07-28    Alpha Freeze (*)
06:02:35 <pravins> #info 2015-07-28   Software String Freeze
06:02:35 <pravins> #info 2015-07-28   Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:02:35 <pravins> #info 2015-07-28   Bodhi activation point
06:02:36 <pravins> #info 2015-08-11   Alpha Release
06:02:37 <pravins> #info 2015-08-25   Software Translation Deadline
06:03:13 <pravins> Less than one week for Alpha freeze.
06:03:44 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:03:50 <pravins> #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins)
06:03:53 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
06:04:10 <pravins> Good news. Our idea to have FAD is accepted by Fedora council. !!
06:04:17 <juhp> hi
06:04:24 <anish_> cool
06:04:28 <pravins> hi juhp :)
06:05:03 <pravins> Only issue remains is budget. We have requested $7000 budget normally FAD gets $5000.
06:05:08 <paragan> yes good news :)
06:05:25 <epico> great :)
06:05:26 <pravins> Council is checking with OSAS about budgeting, i am hoping we will get update by next week.
06:05:46 <Satya> cool!
06:05:55 <pravins> Same time also question raised regarding does Red Hat G11N team has approved budget for accommodation.
06:06:41 <pravins> We are expecting $2200 budget from RH G11N team for accommodation.
06:06:55 <pravins> If will give good impression, if this budget is already approved.
06:07:02 <juhp> pravins, I'll try to look into that
06:07:33 <pravins> juhp: gear. should i add action item for it?
06:07:43 <pravins> s/gear/great
06:07:53 <juhp> if you like
06:08:35 <pravins> #action juhp will try to get approval for accommodation budget from RH G11N.
06:09:55 <pravins> hoping will get $7000 approval from council but if it not may be we need to prioritize our spending. will discuss on that in next meeting.
06:11:39 <pravins> if there is nothing on FAD, lets move to next topic/.
06:12:05 <pravins> #info #50: Feature/Change planning for Fedora 23 (pravins)
06:12:09 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/50
06:13:17 <pravins> Hows our change proposals are going on?
06:14:09 <pravins> epico: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ibus-libzhuyin is 100% done i think?
06:14:27 <epico> yes, fixes reported issues now.
06:14:40 <pravins> excellent.
06:15:08 <pravins> fujiwarat: thanks for blog on IBUs 1.5.11 release :)
06:15:15 <fujiwarat> yes
06:15:48 <pravins> #info Change proposal IBus Libzhuyin is 100% complete.
06:15:58 <pravins> #link https://desktopi18n.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/ibus-1-5-11-is-released/
06:16:13 <pravins> fujiwarat: does this mean change proposal 100% complete?
06:16:33 <fujiwarat> yes, it does.
06:17:03 <pravins> #info IBus 1.5.11 change proposal is 100% complete.
06:17:13 <pravins> next one.
06:17:32 <pravins> Unicode 8.0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unicode_8.0
06:18:17 <mfabian> This is also done.
06:18:41 <pravins> mfabian: excellent :)
06:18:49 <pravins> issues at libicu side.
06:18:51 <mfabian> Marko Myllynen has sent me another addition of characters he would like to have transliterated, so I’ll probably make another small update of the patch.
06:19:38 <pravins> mfabian: i reviewed Unicode 8.0 patch yesterday.
06:20:06 <pravins> its clean. no backward compatibility issue now. Only 19 characters got changed but those are due to changes in UnicodeData.txt
06:20:17 <pravins> i will comment on libc-alpha soon.
06:21:14 <pravins> #info Glibc built with Unicode 8.0 support glibc-2.21.90-18.fc23
06:21:27 <pravins> regarding libicu
06:21:39 <pravins> ICU 56.1 release scheduled for 2015-10-07, Fedora 23 beta release 2015-09-22, final freeze 2015-10-13
06:22:09 <pravins> i talked with eike he said its bit risky to push it for Fedora 23.
06:22:20 <pravins> i think good to reduce scope of change proposal for now.
06:22:40 <pravins> rather than trying to rush till last stage, good to make it for Fedora 24.
06:23:51 <pravins> #info reducing scope of Unicode 8.0 proposal by removing libicu unicode 8.0 update for Fedora.
06:24:30 <pravins> #info Without libicu Unicode 8.0 change proposal is also 100% complete.
06:24:40 <pravins> last one
06:24:57 <pravins> ​Glibc locale subpackaging
06:24:59 <pravins> #link ​Glibc locale subpackaging
06:25:05 <pravins> #undo
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06:25:15 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging
06:25:28 <pravins> mfabian: do you think we will able to make it for Fedora 23?
06:25:40 <mfabian> No, I’m afraid not.
06:25:50 <mfabian> I am not even sure how yet.
06:26:15 <mfabian> We need to decide first whether we really want binary packaging or generating like Debian/Ubuntu.
06:26:27 <pravins> I am not sure till what time we can wait to cancel this change proposal.
06:27:27 <pravins> Contingency deadline: Before F23 Beta release eg. Beta freeze.
06:28:05 <pravins> definitely this is not happening for Alpha.
06:29:09 <pravins> We have also drafted options for sub-packaging and there pros and cons on Wiki
06:29:11 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Locale_Subpackaging
06:29:49 <pravins> #info Glibc locale subpackaging change looks difficult to complete by Alpha Freeze.
06:31:37 <pravins> lets try to discuss on same after meeting.
06:31:50 <pravins> moving to next topic.
06:31:51 <pravins> #info #52: Fedora 23 Test day planning (pravins)
06:31:55 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/52
06:32:15 <pravins> I18n test day going to happen on 1st Sept.
06:32:42 <pravins> as we did last time, i think we should plan at least one day prior actual test day for working on test case improvement.
06:32:52 <Satya> yep
06:33:38 <pravins> Satya: do you have any idea about that?
06:33:50 <Satya> how would be next week, to seat on it?
06:35:03 <Satya> l10n first. then i18n.
06:35:06 <pravins> We have 2 test days, one for l10n and other for i18n/
06:35:09 <Satya> yep
06:35:41 <pravins> next week looks good for l10n. I think we should drop an email to g11n list for this idea.
06:35:51 <pravins> so other l10n members can jump in for it.
06:36:25 <Satya> so, i18n can be done mid august
06:36:31 <pravins> looks good.
06:36:47 <pravins> i think lets plan date for i18n in next meeting.
06:37:18 <pravins> #info We are planning day before test day to work on improving test cases. L10n next week and i18n may be mid of Aug.
06:37:52 <pravins> With this we done with our agenda :)
06:37:59 <pravins> moving to last topic.
06:38:00 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:38:23 <pravins> Is there any new topics?
06:39:18 <pravins> Yesterday there was request from new member for interest to start contributing in Fedora i18n.
06:39:35 <pravins> I think we need dedicated page with open issue may be easy one, so new member can start looking into it.
06:40:10 <juhp> aha
06:40:52 <pravins> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/i18n/2015-July/001972.html
06:42:45 <pravins> We should work on this item sometime. Prepare page with easy fix and help new members to fix it.
06:42:54 <pravins> its good to get more members in G11N.
06:44:03 <pravins> if nothing more lets close meeting in next couple of minutes.
06:46:34 <pravins> thanks you all for meeting.
06:46:38 <pravins> #endmeeting