14:01:46 <zoglesby> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:01:53 <zoglesby> #meetingname Fedora Docs
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14:02:00 <zoglesby> #topic Roll Call
14:02:01 * Capesteve waves
14:02:03 * pbokoc 
14:02:11 * smccann is here
14:02:18 * kirsti is here
14:02:20 <wdashley> wdashley is here
14:03:18 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:03:19 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:04:04 * grundblom here!!
14:04:31 <zoglesby> #info Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better"
14:05:15 <zoglesby> #topic Follow up on last week's action items
14:05:50 <zoglesby> I did not see any action items in last weeks minutes, anything I may have missed?
14:08:13 <zoglesby> #topic New Writers
14:08:36 <zoglesby> This is the part of the program where new writers can introduce themselves. Anyone new here?
14:08:49 <wdashley> Started work on the storage chapter, making good progress
14:09:32 <zoglesby> wdashley: good to hear, do you need any help?
14:10:08 <wdashley> not currently, just have my head dow. But will nedd some review help later
14:10:29 <zoglesby> roger
14:11:14 <zoglesby> #topic Release Notes Beats
14:12:03 <zoglesby> Beats are open and ready to be written, I sent the email to docs@ not sure if randomuser sent an email to devel@ or not
14:12:36 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby to follow up with randomuser about 'Release Notes Beats Open' email
14:12:57 <zoglesby> beyond that any questions or issues about beats?
14:14:13 <zoglesby> #info The tracker page still has lots of * please remove them from your name if you are still going to write that beat
14:14:16 <zoglesby> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats?rd=Docs/Beats
14:14:28 <zoglesby> #undo
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14:14:42 <zoglesby> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats
14:16:35 <zoglesby> #topic Publican/Publishing
14:16:56 <zoglesby> Are there any updates on this? I don't have anything to share.
14:18:01 <jsmith> Not that I'm aware of :-(
14:18:06 * jsmith sighs
14:18:19 <jsmith> Hoping to talk about it more at Flock
14:18:21 <zoglesby> jsmith: welcome and also :(
14:18:23 * lnovich is here
14:18:49 <lnovich> jsmith: I think your frustration is shared by all
14:19:02 <zoglesby> jsmith: I am not sure how many people are going to be a flock to talk about it
14:19:14 <jsmith> zoglesby: Not enough :-(
14:19:21 <lnovich> definately not enough
14:19:21 <bexelbie> We will definitely be talking at flock jsmith
14:19:26 <bexelbie> but yeah, not enough people
14:19:38 * jsmith has a "Docs Tooling Workshop" on the schedule
14:19:39 <bexelbie> but perhaps we can better sketch out something for others to comment on
14:19:47 <jsmith> That's the idea
14:19:51 <bexelbie> and randomuser (and me) are giving a related talk
14:19:56 <zoglesby> #info plan to talk about Publishing workflow at Flock if you attend
14:20:24 <lnovich> there is no such thing as virtual attendance unfortunately
14:21:00 <zoglesby> lnovich: if we can get something going we can move the talking to irc as well as irl
14:21:24 <zoglesby> Or we can try and use a voip/video conf solution
14:21:34 <bexelbie> exactly
14:21:35 <zoglesby> Should we bring that up on the list?
14:22:30 <wdashley> got to go, another meeting
14:23:11 <lnovich> if it means more attendance on this matter it may be worthwhile pursuing
14:23:30 <bexelbie> agreed
14:23:54 <bexelbie> we should be able to figure out better timing once we have a consensus with physical attendees
14:23:58 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby to mail the list about a virt meeting around the time of flock for publishing efforts
14:24:01 <bexelbie> but regardless, we have to report out
14:24:19 <zoglesby> maybe I need to try and go...
14:25:03 <zoglesby> oh, its in two'ish weeks
14:25:14 <zoglesby> anything else here?
14:25:18 * Corey84 late
14:25:36 <randomuser`> sorry folks, haven't quite figured out a new work schedule yet
14:25:46 <Corey84> that's the one  next week on rochester right?
14:25:55 <Corey84> re:flock
14:26:06 <zoglesby> #chair randomuser`
14:26:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: randomuser` zoglesby
14:26:21 <zoglesby> Corey84: Aug 12-15
14:26:49 <lnovich> when is the docs talk scheduled?
14:26:57 <Corey84> was hoping to  make the tail end  12 -13  tho are  booked here
14:27:48 <zoglesby> #link https://flock2015.sched.org/event/b493aa6d307a466191396da39d43c46d#.Vb96XHhMObI
14:28:21 <zoglesby> I don't see the other talk
14:28:43 <zoglesby> https://flock2015.sched.org/event/682d4ecb7cbf5ee9ee1166dc5de56e9b#.Vb96lXhMObI
14:28:57 * randomuser` loses the race
14:29:13 <randomuser`> also, I need to add bexelbie as a speaker there
14:29:14 <jsmith> https://flock2015.sched.org/event/b493aa6d307a466191396da39d43c46d
14:29:24 <spot> randomuser`: which talk?
14:29:26 * lnovich thinks the timing for this talk couldn't be at a worse time...
14:29:42 <randomuser`> spot, https://flock2015.sched.org/event/682d4ecb7cbf5ee9ee1166dc5de56e9b#.Vb96d5N0dhEs
14:29:46 <jsmith> lnovich: I wish you would have mentioned that earlier -- I think the schedule is now frozen :-(
14:30:03 <zoglesby> randomuser`: take over the meeting, boss needs me.
14:30:04 <zoglesby> brb
14:30:08 <lnovich> the worst times to get anything done is the end of the day and just after lunch
14:30:18 <zoglesby> randomuser`: please ack before I run off
14:30:22 <randomuser`> ack
14:30:52 <spot> randomuser`: he's a co-speaker there now.
14:31:03 <randomuser`> thanks spot !
14:31:19 <randomuser`> spot++
14:31:37 <lnovich> randomuser I can take over
14:31:48 <randomuser`> #chair lnovich
14:31:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: lnovich randomuser` zoglesby
14:31:51 <randomuser`> sure, go ahead
14:32:08 <lnovich> OK any more questions/comments/thoughts about Flock?
14:32:27 <bexelbie> spot++ ty
14:32:27 <zodbot> bexelbie: Karma for spot changed to 4:  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:32:45 <lnovich> bexelbie: will you be able to see about getting an IRC channel or some other communication method open?
14:32:55 <bexelbie> lnovich, yes, I will work on that
14:33:06 <randomuser`> lnovich, for the talk? they have always set up channels per-room
14:33:07 <bexelbie> with those in attendance :)
14:33:21 <lnovich> #action bexelbie - find a way for outside attendance to the tool talk
14:33:23 <bexelbie> they sould have those set up - but for any further discussion we can set a time for #fedora-docs
14:33:36 <lnovich> ok sounds like a plan
14:35:03 <lnovich> shall we move on?
14:35:16 <lnovich> #topic Release Notes
14:35:36 <lnovich> We still need beat writers
14:35:41 <randomuser`> indeed
14:36:04 <lnovich> anyone here new that doesn't know about beat writing?
14:36:42 <smccann> not sure of it myself
14:36:44 <lnovich> #info Beats are used to generate Release Notes
14:36:54 <lnovich> I hope that definition is correct
14:37:16 <lnovich> Each person picks a topic they are interested in - or are working on
14:37:49 <lnovich> You need to contact the developer and ask/beg them for the feature list and descriptions for the components they are developing
14:38:07 <lnovich> and then write it up on the wiki page
14:38:15 <randomuser`> like a journalist's beat, the relnotes beats are a relatively defined scope of Fedora topics to research and write about
14:38:38 <smccann> and everybody loves a good beg :-)
14:39:02 <randomuser`> I would encourage researching topics firsthand, and not limiting yourself to the ChangeSet
14:39:13 <lnovich> so the virtualization beat page for example is here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_Virtualization_Beat
14:39:30 <lnovich> and as you can see smccann it is open for contribution
14:39:54 <randomuser`> oh, we should add a beat for container technology
14:40:03 <randomuser`> grundblom, would probably appreciate that :)
14:40:03 <smccann> but how do you find out if something is changed if it isn't in the changeset?
14:40:10 <lnovich> I know there is a general list for beats - randomuser do you have the link handy?
14:40:21 <grundblom> randomuser, what, I couldnt see what you said, the font was all sorts of strange...
14:40:37 <randomuser`> I don't, it's, um, lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/relnotes-content
14:40:51 <lnovich> what I usually do is ask the developer who is in charge of making the changes
14:41:28 <lnovich> If you grab their attention after test day - they know at that point what is and what is not going in
14:41:41 <randomuser`> I will usually pick out a few packages, compare current and previous version numbers, then look at packaging changelogs, packaged notes, upstream release notes, and such
14:43:53 <lnovich> anything else on release notes? - smccann if you have any more questions on Wed at office hours we can discuss
14:44:43 <lnovich> #topic Guide Status
14:44:53 <randomuser`> sorry, connection problems
14:45:02 <lnovich> no worries randomuser
14:45:24 <Corey84> randomuser,  arguebly  not everyone would do that manually  could we setup a script to check those
14:45:24 <lnovich> you still have 2 nicks online by the way
14:45:52 <randomuser`> Corey84, there is a script to compare versions, but there's no programatic way to produce the content
14:45:59 <Corey84> ah
14:46:18 <randomuser`> lnovich, the other is my bouncer/proxy which I can't access from here
14:46:25 <lnovich> Ok so then maybe we write a script AND a procedure on the wiki or elsewhere that people can follow
14:46:47 <randomuser`> fwiw this is the SOP and always has been
14:47:02 <lnovich> yes and true - but for noobs it is all  new
14:47:03 <randomuser`> there is probably already wiki pages about writing release notes
14:47:20 <lnovich> ok so I can review them and make sure they are still accutate
14:47:34 <lnovich> #action lnovich to review RN wiki pages
14:47:58 <lnovich> anything cooking in guides?
14:48:07 <randomuser`> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_workflow_-_beat_writing
14:48:44 <grundblom> I think were still working on the virt-getting-started guide right?
14:49:18 <lnovich> yes we are grundblom - actually smccann and kirsti are
14:49:53 <smccann> fwiw I'm not actively doing anything on it. I'm elbows deep in virt-deploy
14:49:58 <lnovich> It is getting there I think - we have identified issues that needed changing and changes are being made
14:50:30 <lnovich> As Kirsti is a new contributor - she will take a bit longer to get on board
14:50:30 <grundblom> I have missed a couple of your office hours lnovich, so I bet I have missed a few things
14:50:46 <lnovich> but she is getting her first task list this week
14:51:00 <lnovich> and has successfully pulled the git repo
14:51:21 <lnovich> grundblom: 9AM EST Wed
14:51:44 <lnovich> Anyone who wants to join can join
14:51:59 <lnovich> #INFO Laura's office hours are 9AM EST Wed
14:52:14 <lnovich> anything else with guides?
14:53:13 <zoglesby> I am back
14:54:06 <lnovich> ok next topic
14:54:11 <randomuser`> I don't have any specific things for guides, but it might be a good idea to check in on a few
14:54:20 <lnovich> #topic BZs
14:54:27 <lnovich> there are bugs http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:55:04 <lnovich> I know this is the pot calling the kettle black, but if you see a BZ that has been fixed - please change its status
14:56:13 <lnovich> randomuser` want to finish up the meeting and take over?
14:56:23 <randomuser`> That might be a good thing for an upcoming office hours session - bug knockout time
14:56:29 <randomuser`> bug smashing!
14:56:42 <lnovich> I can bring the flyswatter
14:56:47 <lnovich> but yes we should do that
14:56:58 <zoglesby> I can bring the #closedwontfix
14:57:11 <randomuser`> as long as you share :)
14:57:34 <randomuser`> #info Upcoming thursday's office hours will be a bug smashing day
14:57:48 <lnovich> when are your hours randomuser`
14:57:59 <randomuser`> err.. 1300 CDT
14:58:16 <lnovich> ok I'll make myself available
14:58:56 <randomuser`> cool
14:59:07 <randomuser`> #topic Open Floor
14:59:18 <randomuser`> one minute, complain fast!
14:59:37 <kirsti1> lnovich you have your office hours this week?
15:00:00 <lnovich> #INFO Laura's office hours are 9AM EST WED
15:00:14 <lnovich> and randomuser` want to call this meeting?
15:00:28 <randomuser`> yup, looks like it's time
15:00:31 <randomuser`> #endmeeting