14:02:04 <randomuser`> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:02:04 <randomuser`> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:02:04 <randomuser`> #topic Roll Call
14:02:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:02:18 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:02:19 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:02:27 * zoglesby is here
14:02:38 * rkratky here
14:02:56 * kirsti is here
14:04:36 <randomuser`> lively crowd this morning
14:04:48 * grundblom here
14:06:12 <randomuser`> #topic Follow up on action items
14:06:29 <randomuser`> #info zoglesby did follow up with randomuser about open beats announcement, and the announcement was sent
14:07:03 <randomuser`> #info zoglesby arranged a time window for remote meeting around flock, which is:
14:07:10 * lnovich is here
14:07:16 <zoglesby> Wed at 1PM EST
14:07:46 <zoglesby> We need to figure out the method for this (irc, etc)
14:07:58 <randomuser`> #info 1PM EST on 12 AUG, there will be a meeting
14:08:40 <zoglesby> randomuser`: can you a jsmith work out a location @flock for people to meet?
14:08:41 <randomuser`> I'm tempted to say we could take sparks up on Bluejeans, but with my luck the first 1/2hr will be spent on codecs and whatnot
14:09:08 <randomuser`> yeah, I don't think it will be hard.  I had meant to ask spot about that, but it slipped my mind
14:09:08 <zoglesby> randomuser`: is just a browser plugin
14:09:23 <bexelbie> randomuser`, if we take up the bluejeans option we should send it out ASAP so people can fix that
14:09:27 * lnovich needs to run - have workstuff to do - is there anything that I need to know - Wed Office hours as usual this week - canceled next week and the week after - PTO and return to Israel
14:09:57 <randomuser`> lnovich, you had an action item about reviewing RN wiki pages?
14:09:59 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby to talk to sparks about bluejeans access
14:10:56 <lnovich> randomuser - when do you need them by?
14:11:11 <randomuser`> lnovich, I don't have the whole context, it's your action item
14:11:55 <randomuser`> whatever it was, we want it yesterday :)
14:12:02 <lnovich> OH ok that was about reviewing the wiki page for the RN process - I'll update that today/tomorrow
14:12:09 <randomuser`> ok, cool
14:12:39 <randomuser`> let's carry on then
14:12:44 <randomuser`> #topic New Writers
14:13:13 <randomuser`> would anyone like to talk about their experience with or as a new writer?
14:13:53 * zoglesby needs to ping kelvar to see if he still wants to help
14:14:34 <kelvar> zoglesby: I'm here
14:14:37 <randomuser`> good show
14:14:44 <kelvar> yes I would like to help, I've been a bit busy past few weeks
14:15:05 <kelvar> and I got hardly any replies from you or random when I was asking about my issues with the email
14:15:25 <kelvar> so I put the whole thing on semi-hold for a bit because I had some abdominal issues
14:15:43 <randomuser`> the thing about spoofing your mail config to use the fp.o alias?
14:16:07 <kelvar> no no, I didn't receive any emails from the docs list after changing my email address in FAS
14:16:14 <randomuser`> oh
14:16:20 <kelvar> one docs user then advised me after a few  days I should just make a new account
14:16:37 <kelvar> and it still seems I'm getting way fewer emails than I used to
14:16:39 <randomuser`> yeah, each mailing list has it's own configuration and none know about fas
14:16:44 <kelvar> or maybe it's because the summer is on
14:16:51 <zoglesby> kelvar: sorry I did not see that question
14:16:53 <randomuser`> also, you can look at the archives to see if you are missing any
14:17:49 <kelvar> by the way, is it a problem if I switch the distro on this laptop to centos regarding my contribution to fedoraproject?
14:18:33 <bexelbie> kelvar, the only issue you may run into is the speed with which some tools like publican are available - but you can run them in a VM or container
14:18:38 <bexelbie> as far as I know
14:18:39 <randomuser`> Well, it will make it more difficult for you to directly follow your own writing to validate it, but we don't mind personally :)
14:19:23 <kelvar> randomuser`, bexelbie, yeah I was thinking more in terms of being a fedproj member and not using fedora, that's all
14:19:43 <kelvar> damn microsoft and it's monopoly on gpu drivers
14:19:47 <bexelbie> kelvar, on the internet no one knows you're on windows until they examine your web headers :P
14:20:01 <kelvar> if I could get my game running on linux, I would insta switch to fedora on my desktop and never look at anything MS again
14:20:35 <randomuser`> kelvar, it's more about your capabilities than our requirements; we can talk about it in -docs or wherever if you run into trouble.
14:20:48 <randomuser`> let's talk about publishing
14:20:51 <kelvar> bexelbie: I'm going to use CentOS as my main OS for the Internet connection computer
14:20:56 <randomuser`> #topic Publican and Publishing
14:21:13 <randomuser`> I've made some marginal progress on code
14:21:22 <bexelbie> kelvar, I am also considerig the same switch, so we may be in this boat together :)
14:21:29 <randomuser`> ... not going to boast in detail, just want you all to know that I'm working on it
14:21:48 <kelvar> bexelbie: let's continue this on #fedora-docs after the meeting, I don't wanna interrupt the bosses
14:21:48 <bexelbie> randomuser`, maybe we can find some time at flock to do a sprint on it together
14:21:51 <zoglesby> randomuser`: be ready to talk in detail later this week
14:22:10 <randomuser`> also, this week we have a ... strategy meeting on wednesday, bexelbie and I are doing a talk, and later jsmith is driving a hackfest session
14:22:23 <randomuser`> zoglesby, come with questions!
14:23:10 <zoglesby> Sparks is going to get us that bluejeans setup
14:23:13 <kelvar> randomuser`: strategy about future projects regarding the new F?
14:23:13 <randomuser`> any points we want to cover today, or planning for the aforementioned?
14:23:39 <randomuser`> kelvar, strategy for our future docs publishing workflow and tools
14:24:02 <zoglesby> I would just like to note that this meeting wed needs to be to get a plan, not to talk about what is broken again
14:24:08 <zoglesby> be ready for tasks!
14:24:09 <kelvar> ah ok good, I hope you can add more info about time in the summary mail
14:25:37 <randomuser`> I can take tasks, and give tasks :)
14:26:07 <zoglesby> I want to action-item this meeting to death
14:26:23 <randomuser`> #info plan for meetings around publishing this week to be *productive* - focused on actionable tasks instead of past woes
14:26:47 * randomuser` nominates zoglesby as the Docs Focus Czar
14:26:51 <zoglesby> #link https://bluejeans.com/752806277
14:27:16 <randomuser`> nice
14:27:23 <randomuser`> I'll test that later on
14:27:28 <zoglesby> I will send that out in an email as well
14:27:38 <randomuser`> Let's get on to RNs
14:27:39 <zoglesby> #action zoglesby to email out bluejeans link
14:27:49 <randomuser`> #topic Release Notes
14:28:05 <randomuser`> we have done very little for the Release Notes so far
14:28:13 <randomuser`> ...which is about normal pre-alpha
14:28:53 <randomuser`> but I want to remind everyone how unpleasant it is when I end up stringing together all-nighters during the week before GA...
14:29:15 <grundblom> GA? General Announcement?
14:29:21 <randomuser`> so, tackle it in pieces
14:29:29 <randomuser`> erm... general availability, I think?
14:29:36 <randomuser`> gold announcement?
14:30:16 <zoglesby> goldne availability? :P
14:30:22 <zoglesby> typing fail!
14:30:27 <grundblom> Gold as in album sales?
14:30:45 <randomuser`> many permutations :)
14:30:45 <grundblom> I think I am confused or led myself into an inside joke
14:30:46 <kelvar> (off-topic, but wouldn't it be a good idea to use your Fedora status to maybe suggest linking FAS and list? Or should I just use my fedproj email and then changem y main email address on FAS?)
14:30:50 <kelvar> @random
14:31:20 <randomuser`> kelvar, My status isn't "person capable of writing the code to do that" so I don't think I have leverage for it
14:31:38 <kelvar> randomuser`: but you probably know the main Fedora guys
14:31:57 <kelvar> I doubt they would listen to some newbie like me
14:32:00 <randomuser`> and we also have many Changes that need to be claimed
14:32:33 <randomuser`> kelvar, it's not a "decision" kind of thing - someone has to do the work to create that capability from scratch
14:33:12 <kelvar> ok. I just thought this would simplify the process in case someone has similar issues like I had.
14:33:43 <randomuser`> ... back to RNs, it would be cool to see some kind of summary of how many changes there are for F23, and how many we have claimed the Docs Contact slot for, etc
14:34:07 <randomuser`> an idea for anyone that's been itching to play with the bugzilla api :)
14:34:24 <grundblom> If I remember correctly release notes are if you did them last release then you are assumed for doing them for this release?
14:34:33 <randomuser`> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-docs-tasks.html
14:34:44 <randomuser`> grundblom, no assumptions
14:35:34 <grundblom> randomuser`, ok so I need to re-sign up for them?
14:35:35 <randomuser`> according to the schedule, tomorrow is "write unclaimed wiki beats" time, we have some catching up to do
14:36:29 <randomuser`> grundblom, there's some notation on the beats table about unverified beats - but the important part is the writing, the claiming less so.  You can write about things claimed by others and not claimed at all and we're all happy unless no writing gets done.
14:36:52 <potty> randomuser`: +1
14:37:10 * potty was about to ask the same claiming thing
14:37:15 <Southern_Gentlem> randomuser`, is there going to a a fast track to fedora docs at flock?
14:37:54 <randomuser`> Southern_Gentlem, I'm doing a talk, Jared has a hackfest; if that doesn't give what you're looking for, track me down
14:38:18 <Southern_Gentlem> when and when
14:38:55 <bexelbie> Southern_Gentlem, http://flock2015.sched.org/event/682d4ecb7cbf5ee9ee1166dc5de56e9b#.Vci3epMYreQ
14:39:04 <bexelbie> Southern_Gentlem, http://flock2015.sched.org/event/b493aa6d307a466191396da39d43c46d#.Vci3dZMYreQ
14:39:18 <randomuser`> thanks bexelbie
14:39:39 <randomuser`> Southern_Gentlem, you're also welcome to sit in on our tooling meeting wed afternoon
14:39:48 <kelvar> randomuser`: is the type of wiki editing I did so far useful at all? like I said, I don't really know how to contribute in any other way yet since I basically have little to no experience with coding/testing apps and similar
14:40:40 <Southern_Gentlem> randomuser`,  will try to be at both
14:40:40 <randomuser`> kelvar, it's good for building experience, at least :)  We can go over specific edits sometime if you like, I'm sad to say that I haven't been tracking you
14:41:10 <randomuser`> Anything else on Release Notes?
14:41:17 <kelvar> randomuser`: ok, feel free to poke me whenever you have time.
14:41:29 <randomuser`> kelvar, cool, noted
14:43:55 <randomuser`> OK, moving on then
14:44:00 <randomuser`> #topic Guide Status
14:44:17 <randomuser`> Anyone want to talk about their guide, or propose to work on a guide, etc?
14:44:40 <grundblom> The virt-getting started guide is in progress,
14:45:14 <grundblom> but other then that, I dont think the details would interest anyone
14:45:27 <randomuser`> grundblom++
14:45:39 <zoglesby> randomuser`: can you talk to server people at flock about what they want for documentation? If we had an outline of what they are looking for it would make wiriting easier for
14:45:43 <zoglesby> us
14:45:55 <kirsti> in as much that I got caught up in the "what is a beginner", but could this be a persona discussion thing?
14:46:05 <zoglesby> (as I add more to your task list at flock)
14:46:48 <randomuser`> zoglesby, yeah, I can do that.  There were a few ideas; API documentation, role creation docs, etc
14:47:24 <randomuser`> maybe we can drag sgallagh off somewhere
14:47:41 <sgallagh> ...
14:48:06 <randomuser`> just filling the funnel, sgallagh , don't stress about it :)
14:48:16 <sgallagh> randomuser`: For role creation stuff, come to my rolekit hackfest
14:48:28 <sgallagh> (Then I won't be lonely...)
14:48:46 <randomuser`> heh, ok
14:48:49 <sgallagh> I postponed putting that together because we've been retooling some of how that works upstream
14:49:03 <sgallagh> But we should have the beginnings of a plan
14:49:09 * smccann shows up rediculously late
14:49:17 <sgallagh> And I can think of worse ideas than writing the documentation first and then making the implementation match
14:50:23 <randomuser`> yes, that's as it should be :)
14:50:53 <randomuser`> and documentation gets the ideas from sales, so we know what the customer has purchased
14:51:24 <sgallagh> ...
14:51:40 <randomuser`> ...anyway
14:52:01 <zoglesby> just saying I would like to actually get something done for server before the next release...
14:52:26 <randomuser`> we can probably drum up a "this is cockpit, this is rolekit, here are some example rolekit configs"
14:54:02 <zoglesby> indeed, but we are about out of time so lets move on...
14:54:25 <randomuser`> #topic BUGS !
14:54:44 <randomuser`> I missed my own bug smashing session :(
14:54:53 <randomuser`> did any get smashed?
14:54:57 <zoglesby> no
14:55:11 <zoglesby> I was in another meeting and answered a few questions about other stuff
14:55:19 <zoglesby> but did not do anything more
14:55:28 <randomuser`> #proposal the first office hours of every month is for bug smashing
14:55:44 <zoglesby> +1
14:56:15 <smccann> +1
14:56:58 <randomuser`> awesome
14:57:38 <randomuser`> although, I'm not sure this counts as a quorum... smccann, would you mind posing the question on docs@, at least so everyone knows about the idea?
14:59:17 <potty> +1
14:59:19 <randomuser`> ..or I can do that, just trying to keep y'all involved :)
14:59:26 <smccann> ok sure
14:59:36 <randomuser`> cool, thanks
14:59:51 <smccann> heh sorry. logged in late this am so am multitasking
14:59:58 <randomuser`> #action smccann to start discussion on first thursday bug smashing on list
15:00:04 <randomuser`> #topic Open Floor
15:00:04 <smccann> (aka more scatterbrained than usual)
15:00:28 <zoglesby> is qa not after us?
15:00:41 <randomuser`> smccann, I find coffee helps. Drip coffee.  Although the IV stand gets funny looks
15:00:54 <smccann> heh... might need to try that!
15:00:59 <randomuser`> #endmeeting