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06:00:20 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:00:23 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-09-02
06:00:34 <fujiwarat> hi
06:00:34 <pravins> Hi All
06:00:38 <pravins> who else is there?
06:00:54 <tagoh_> hi
06:01:00 <pravins> hi fujiwarat tagoh_ :)
06:01:09 <mfabian> Hi!
06:01:28 <anish_> Hi
06:01:29 <juhp> hi
06:01:33 <paragan> hi
06:01:33 <pravins> while other joins lets see upcoming schedule
06:01:42 <pravins> hi mfabian anish_ juhp paragan :)
06:01:49 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:01:49 <pravins> #info 2015-09-08 	Beta Freeze (*)
06:01:49 <pravins> #info 2015-09-08   Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
06:01:49 <pravins> #info 2015-09-22 	Beta Release
06:01:49 <pravins> #info 2015-10-13 	Final Freeze (*)
06:01:50 <pravins> #info 2015-10-27 	Fedora 23 Final Release
06:01:52 <epico> hi
06:02:10 <pravins> #chair fujiwarat tagoh_ mfabian anish_ juhp paragan epico
06:02:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: anish_ epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins tagoh_
06:02:56 <pravins> Beta Freeze is almost one week away. If you want your change/fix to be included in Beta make sure its done before Beta freeze.
06:03:15 <pravins> hi epico :)
06:03:17 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:03:22 <pravins> #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins)
06:03:24 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
06:03:31 <pravins> first update on budget stuff.
06:04:02 <pravins> We got approval from FPL on budget but its conditional
06:04:04 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/39#comment:9
06:04:11 <pravins> ""but would like to hear the rest of you weigh in on the extra expenditure. I'd be particularly concerned if this leaves us with, for example, a shortfall in reaching our university outreach objective.""
06:05:01 <pravins> FPL wants opinion from other council members on extra budget i.e. more than $5000
06:05:25 <pravins> As of present in worst case we will definitely get $5000
06:05:36 <pravins> so our contingency plan is like
06:05:57 <pravins> We need: Travel + Accommodation  = $5825
06:06:07 <pravins> Social Stuff = $500
06:06:22 <pravins> if we get only $5000, we will drop social stuff
06:06:43 <anish_> okay
06:06:52 <pravins> and will reimburse 5000/5825 = 86% approx
06:07:07 <juhp> yes sounds reasonable
06:07:19 <pravins> so if you are fine with this please start doing booking stuff.
06:07:39 <pravins> i hope we can get better flight rates booking early
06:07:51 <anish_> okay thanks!
06:08:05 <pravins> I am going to present next week in council and will try to convince to get requested budget.
06:08:15 <pravins> so lets prepare for worst and think for best :)
06:08:23 <pravins> any question on budgeting?
06:08:47 <juhp> I am going to send out mail today to all participants asking for final confirmation, travel details and plans for FAD
06:09:32 <pravins> juhp: nice, it will help us to also prepare invitation letters.
06:11:06 <pravins> also we should suggest hotel for accommodation.
06:11:10 <pravins> do we have any list?
06:11:35 <pravins> booking.com supports booking in advance and pay only when you actually stay there.
06:11:51 <pravins> so, if we can get list, it will be helpful for attendees
06:12:18 <aeng_> pravins, so reimbustment would be 86%?
06:12:31 <tagoh_> pravins: I could show you some candidates.
06:12:34 <pravins> aeng_: yeah, its on worst case scenario.
06:12:41 <pravins> tagoh_: yeah, it will be nice.
06:12:54 <aeng_> do you have the spreadsheet?
06:13:03 <mfabian> Where exactly is the venue?
06:13:35 <pravins> aeng: https://ethercalc.org/2benkd7zwl
06:14:28 <juhp> mfabian, the venue is the Tokyo Red Hat Office at Ebisu Station
06:14:43 <pravins> mfabian: hmm, need to update FAD page with more details.
06:15:22 <juhp> if you're in the RHT i18n team please talk to me before booking any hotel
06:15:28 <pravins> #action Adds more information to FAD page.
06:15:39 <juhp> the current FAD budget basically assumes sharing a room
06:15:49 <pravins> yes
06:16:01 <juhp> so you will either need to find a room-mate or pay the difference yourself
06:16:23 <pravins> yeah
06:17:06 <mfabian> I guess there is nothing as cheap as the hostels in Brno? ☹
06:17:20 <anish_> yeah
06:17:28 <pravins> True !!
06:17:31 <juhp> I guess there are hostels too in Tokyo
06:17:53 <mfabian> Trying to search for hostels in Tokyo ...
06:18:01 <juhp> or cheap hotels
06:18:08 <pravins> if its in budget, i think good to stay near FAD venue.
06:18:30 <pravins> i think once tagoh_ prepare list it will be helpful for us.
06:18:30 <juhp> near Ebisu maybe not so much...
06:18:42 <anish_> last time i stayed at http://www.sakura-hotel.co.jp/
06:18:55 <pravins> anish_: is it near to office?
06:19:22 <anish_> not much but its nearby from train station
06:19:31 <anish_> i mean on the same line
06:19:34 <juhp> I suggest we come up with a recommended hotel but if people want to stay somewhere cheaper/hostel or more expensive (at their own additional cost) that is also okay
06:19:35 <pravins> thanks anish_ for information :)
06:19:44 <pravins> i think lets discuss other details on email.
06:20:16 <pravins> move to next important topic, on which topics should we collaborate in FAD.
06:20:19 <mfabian> Yes, there seem to be hostels starting from around 15$/night in a 12 bed dorm ...
06:20:30 <juhp> nice
06:20:39 <pravins> excellent
06:21:02 <juhp> mfabian, might have to travel a little to get to Ebisu perhaps
06:21:13 <pravins> Lets mention these info. somewhere, will helpful for booking.
06:21:26 <juhp> not so many hotels in Ebisu anyway
06:21:31 <pravins> We have list of topic https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit#
06:22:04 <pravins> Noriko and Anish added few topics recently to idea list.
06:22:23 <pravins> i think apeter is here for meeting, i think she can help on L10N sessions list :)
06:22:48 <apeter> hi :)
06:23:11 <pravins> ignore idea session starting with 'Done:' those are already discuss. still if you have any point feel free to suggest.
06:23:28 <pravins> going through ideas one by one
06:23:31 <pravins> #info make zanata-python-client compatible with zanata 3.7(anish)
06:23:51 <aeng_> as in request?
06:24:00 <pravins> anish_: any comments on this?  We will have carlos and aeng there.
06:24:06 <anish_> yeah
06:24:17 <pravins> aeng: it can be topic for hackthon.
06:24:27 <apeter> Regarding L10n : 1. need to think how to increase more contributors 2. A main page for status updates / a page listing the fedora applications to be translated and where we can point the l10n people to
06:24:39 <aeng_> i will inform right now, we have no plan at the moment to update python client.
06:24:42 <apeter> oops.. sorry
06:24:54 <apeter> guess we were discussing other topic
06:25:10 <pravins> apeter: yeah, list is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit# please see idea session
06:25:10 <aeng_> but we're open to community to update
06:25:35 <anish_> aeng_, i talked with Dchen reading this i will update z-p-c accordingly
06:25:47 <juhp> aha
06:25:57 <aeng_> yup, but its community effort for the time being
06:26:33 <aeng_> for supported client: http://zanata-client.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installation/linux-installation/
06:26:51 <juhp> anish_, sounds good
06:27:27 <pravins> aeng: yeah, will take it as a community.
06:27:35 <apeter> pravins, exactly, the things almost I want to cover is listed in the ideas.
06:27:44 <pravins> i think most of us agree for this, we can move it to hackthon sessions
06:27:53 <aeng_> yup. Sounds good to be a hackton topic
06:27:57 <anish_> cool
06:28:03 <pravins> apeter: nice, lets discuss on those idea and see if we can move those to actual sessions
06:28:04 <apeter> we already discussed these earlier and thanks for adding them to list pravins
06:28:10 <apeter> pravins, sure
06:28:31 <pravins> next one: Hunspell dict infra (anish)
06:28:39 <pravins> #info Hunspell dict infra (anish)
06:29:14 <pravins> not sure, what can we do for husnepll in meeting. But in general good topic to discuss
06:29:28 <juhp> pravins, added z-p-c
06:29:38 <pravins> juhp: thanks :)
06:29:58 <pravins> #chairs apeter aeng_
06:30:13 <pravins> #chair apeter aeng_
06:30:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng_ anish_ apeter epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins tagoh_
06:30:54 <pravins> what do you think about "hunspell dict" topic?
06:31:41 <pravins> i feel its long time ignored topic and at least we can understand present state and what we can done.
06:31:46 <pravins> mostly looks like future planning.
06:31:54 <pravins> since all we will be together worth discussing
06:32:05 <juhp> wanted to have this but it has been hard to get time/attention to this - right probably hard to do much but planning actions might be good
06:32:19 <juhp> if there is interest
06:32:23 <juhp> +1
06:32:38 <juhp> and time :)
06:32:40 <pravins> +1 from me as well
06:32:46 <aeng_> juhp, pravins, whats hunspell dict?
06:33:14 <anish_> thanks
06:33:22 <pravins> aeng: spellcheck use this dict in background
06:33:31 <apeter> agree
06:33:40 <pravins> and unfortunately no update to it from last 4-5 years.
06:33:55 <aeng_> is that dict english based?
06:33:59 <juhp> aeng_, http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/ - but this is mostly about maintenance of the dictionary data itself for languages
06:34:04 <aeng_> wondering if Zanata can explore its usage
06:34:09 <juhp> aeng_, English too
06:34:35 <aeng_> yeah, +1 if we got time
06:34:37 <pravins> aeng: good point. We can explore these from Zanata perspectives as well.
06:34:48 <pravins> great. lets add to approved session list
06:34:53 <pravins> and if we have time :)
06:35:03 <pravins> #info web based input methods (anish)
06:35:18 <pravins> anish_: i am doubtful if we can do this for this FAD.
06:35:18 <juhp> aeng_, but not ja and zh
06:35:44 <aeng_> juhp, yeah.. we will need more evaluation on that
06:35:51 <pravins> if other participants are interested in idea, we can add this.
06:36:04 <pravins> even if we can 3 members that should be fine.
06:36:07 <juhp> pravins, anish_: it is an interesting topic - less clear how it relates to fedora/fad
06:36:16 <pravins> +1
06:36:30 <juhp> sure
06:36:42 <pravins> lets it in only idea section for now.
06:36:55 <juhp> okay
06:37:04 <pravins> Establish election procedure for FLSCO or GFSCO instead? (all?)
06:37:18 <pravins> apeter: i am not sure what is FLSCO and GFSCO
06:37:28 <pravins> anyone has idea?
06:37:35 <pravins> #info Establish election procedure for FLSCO or GFSCO instead? (all?)
06:37:48 <anish_> okay
06:38:08 <pravins> #agreed Make zanata-python-client compatible with zanata 3.7
06:38:23 <pravins> #agreed Hunspell dict project improvements
06:38:56 <apeter> I have not added that
06:39:01 <apeter> checking
06:39:11 <pravins> apeter: yeah, noriko proposed it.
06:39:15 <pravins> thought you might be now
06:39:40 <apeter> but agree with it.. can have discussions around that topic
06:40:07 <juhp> FGSCO?
06:40:18 * juhp assumes it is a typo
06:40:43 <pravins> what is long form? :(
06:40:46 <apeter> pravins were u asking me whats FLSCo ?
06:40:49 <apeter> Fedora Localization Steering Committee (FLSCo)
06:41:00 <juhp> Fedora G11n Steering Committee I assume
06:41:10 <pravins> aha interested. did we had this earlier?
06:41:15 <juhp> apeter, does that already exist?
06:41:33 <apeter> It was.. not sure about the current status
06:41:40 <juhp> yes it would be good to have some discussion on Fedora G11n Governance perhaps
06:41:46 <pravins> #agreed To give less priority for Web based input method, since not clear mapping with Fedora project as of now.
06:41:57 <apeter> looks like thats the reason noriko has added that
06:42:20 <juhp> web input is interesting though - so if others interested you could add you name there too
06:42:42 <pravins> idea is nice. i generally feel unlike i18n in l10n there is good chance of 30-40 active contributors contributing for different languages, so having something like this will be helpful
06:43:02 <juhp> yes
06:43:06 <apeter> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Steering_Committee?rd=L10N/SteeringCommittee - this is the one page I can find now
06:43:08 <juhp> maybe good as a closing session?
06:43:15 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Steering_Committee?rd=L10N/SteeringCommittee
06:43:38 <pravins> yes
06:43:47 <apeter> yup maybe
06:44:08 <pravins> #info List up important packages (including Gnome?) for localization (noriko, jens, pravin, ani, any other?)
06:44:22 <pravins> This is good task
06:44:37 <pravins> can be done as a hackthon and do in parallel with other activities?
06:45:15 <juhp> yes I think so
06:45:22 <juhp> someone added me ;) :)
06:45:42 <pravins> juhp: you have always given nice input for default packages :)
06:45:57 <juhp> it's fine
06:46:02 <pravins> apeter: looks good to you?
06:46:11 <pravins> This is more from FLTG as well.
06:46:22 <pravins> we did some brainstorm during planning L10N test day.
06:46:23 <pravins> +1
06:46:50 <apeter> pravins, totally agree and looks good
06:46:53 <pravins> great
06:47:11 <pravins> #agreed  List up important packages (including Gnome?) for localization
06:47:15 <apeter> am happy to see whatever we discussed all these days are listed used the ideas.. nothing more I can think of now :)
06:47:24 <pravins> #info Replace links with appropriate G11N links (noriko, ani, pravin, anyone?)
06:47:32 <pravins> This is more Wiki improvement kind
06:47:44 <pravins> still pending, so can be todo task in FAD
06:47:48 <pravins> +1
06:47:58 <apeter> yup but very important task wrt L10n
06:48:00 <juhp> (hmm, better to move than copy...)
06:48:24 <pravins> yeah, if we can move that is nice.
06:49:44 <pravins> Will work on this in FAD
06:49:44 <pravins> let me add in agreed.
06:50:19 <pravins> #agreed Fedora G11N Wiki and cleanup of existing pages with latest update.
06:50:19 <pravins> last idea
06:50:19 <pravins> #info Involvement from Planning stage
06:50:22 <pravins> not clear to me yet.
06:50:33 <tagoh_> hm, too much tasks?
06:51:27 <aeng_> yeah.. i think its beginning to overload
06:51:57 <apeter> sorry pravins even I am not clear
06:52:09 <pravins> apeter: lets ignore it for now. :)
06:52:17 <pravins> tagoh_: aeng agree with you.
06:52:19 <apeter> yup.. we have lots of items in our plate
06:52:36 <pravins> But we do not need to complete all these things. IMO These are listed for better scheduling.
06:52:54 <pravins> in schedule we will select only those are possible and not overload us.
06:54:21 <juhp> tagoh_, aeng_: right we will need to cut down to focus
06:54:23 <pravins> make sense?
06:54:47 <juhp> yeah
06:54:51 <aeng_> yup. But its good to have various selection topics
06:54:53 <pravins> but good thing is now we have nice list of topics with us :)
06:55:07 <juhp> I think people will also vote with their feet to some extent
06:56:04 <pravins> PLEASE NOTE: We might extend meeting for 10-15 minutes today.
06:56:24 <anish_> yeah
06:56:24 <apeter> okies
06:56:33 <paragan> np
06:56:34 * pravins happy with addition of more L10N topics now truly looks like G11N FAD :)
06:57:08 <tagoh_> juhp: agreed
06:57:24 <juhp> pravins, yes
06:57:57 <pravins> anything more on FAD? if not lets move to next topic
06:58:10 <juhp> and there is still time for more polishing and more discernment on the sessions/hackathon
06:58:28 <juhp> not all participants on the list yet either
06:58:43 <juhp> it is a good start now
06:58:50 <pravins> +1 each attendees name should be in front of some topics.
06:58:55 <juhp> certainly not final :)
06:58:59 <apeter> :)
06:59:03 <pravins> #info #50: Feature/Change planning for Fedora 23 (pravins)
06:59:12 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/50
06:59:18 <pravins> nothing much on this topci
06:59:21 <pravins> topic
06:59:38 <pravins> Change proposals bug now moved into QA stage.
06:59:57 <pravins> next topic
06:59:59 <pravins> #info #52: Fedora 23 Test day planning (pravins)
07:00:12 <pravins> first L10N test day.
07:00:36 <pravins> apeter: as adamw suggested can you work on bit more verbose report?
07:00:53 * pravins hope not missed any update in between :)
07:01:39 <apeter> pravins, yes will do that :) I was not sure how the report should be looking like, hence ceated such a table. Now have a  idea :)
07:01:49 <apeter> *an
07:02:34 <pravins> you go ahead with report. once we done with i18n test day and tagoh_ also prepare reprot
07:02:50 <pravins> may be i will club finding together and post on fedora magazine :)
07:02:56 <pravins> if pitch gets approved ;)
07:03:17 <pravins> coming back to i18n test day
07:03:20 <tagoh_> pravins: yep
07:03:24 <pravins> i18n test day was yesterday.
07:03:27 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-09-01_i18n
07:03:38 <pravins> we have got good response in one day.
07:03:42 <apeter> pravins, ok
07:03:53 <adamw> apeter: you can check the test@ archives for some old test day reports
07:04:04 <adamw> feel free to post a draft to the ticket if you want me to check it or anything
07:04:09 <pravins> as usual though we say its test day, we normally execute as testweek ;)
07:04:16 <adamw> and refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management#Do_a_post-event_review
07:04:18 * pravins also need to complete testing activity :(
07:04:25 <adamw> a single report for the whole test week works fine as well
07:04:44 <apeter> sure adamw.
07:04:52 <apeter> will do that
07:05:03 <pravins> adamw: thanks, links very helpful. :)
07:06:01 <pravins> adamw: dunno how do you sound G11N (i18n and l10n) testing report or finding's in fedora magazine?
07:06:14 <pravins> s/sound/find
07:06:52 <pravins> need to make it more user centric may be
07:07:06 <pravins> i.e. how its going to help users for Fedora 23 final release.
07:07:19 <pravins> in between lets move ahead
07:07:25 <pravins> #info #53: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 23 release (pravins)
07:07:31 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/53
07:07:49 <pravins> nothing on this for today.
07:07:54 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
07:08:24 <pravins> aeng: i missed to include zanata feedback survey topic in today meeting :(
07:08:34 <pravins> we should not keep it waiting for so long.
07:08:58 <pravins> apeter: do you think we should have another meeting tomorrow/friday for quickly discussing it?
07:09:38 <pravins> #idea Article in Fedora Magazine for finding/report about Fedora G11N (i18n and l10n) test day.
07:09:45 <apeter> pravins yes please we need to finish that too
07:09:51 <pravins> +1
07:09:55 <apeter> and run the survey by next week
07:10:04 <aeng_> pravins, what sort of format are we looking at for the magazine?
07:10:18 <apeter> lets have a meeting tomorrow
07:10:30 <apeter> we have the draft by luke
07:10:32 <pravins> magazine is more user oriented. so need to mold information in that way.
07:10:35 <aeng_> apeter, please setup something for tomorrow
07:10:51 <pravins> great
07:10:54 <apeter> aeng, sure
07:11:08 <pravins> #agreed Meeting on 3rd Sept for Zanata feedback survey questions finalizing.
07:11:12 <pravins> we are done
07:11:33 <apeter> cool
07:11:34 <pravins> aeng: are you asking for Testing report for Zanata survey?
07:11:50 <aeng_> for the survey
07:11:51 <pravins> if nothing more lets close meeting in few couple of minutes
07:12:09 <pravins> aeng: i mentioned it for testing day reprot
07:12:19 <aeng_> ah
07:12:21 <apeter> :)
07:12:22 <pravins> for survey may be we can ask FPL to include it in weekly 5 news
07:12:36 <aeng_> well... lets finalised it tomorrow
07:12:39 <pravins> lets talk on that in tomorrows meeting :)
07:12:44 <pravins> +1
07:12:45 <apeter> yes
07:12:56 <pravins> thanks all for nice meeting.
07:13:01 <pravins> #endmeeting