06:00:11 #startmeeting i18n 06:00:11 Meeting started Wed Sep 2 06:00:11 2015 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00:19 #meetingname i18n 06:00:19 The meeting name has been set to 'i18n' 06:00:20 #topic agenda and roll call 06:00:23 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-09-02 06:00:34 hi 06:00:34 Hi All 06:00:38 who else is there? 06:00:54 hi 06:01:00 hi fujiwarat tagoh_ :) 06:01:09 Hi! 06:01:28 Hi 06:01:29 hi 06:01:33 hi 06:01:33 while other joins lets see upcoming schedule 06:01:42 hi mfabian anish_ juhp paragan :) 06:01:49 #topic Upcoming schedule 06:01:49 #info 2015-09-08 Beta Freeze (*) 06:01:49 #info 2015-09-08 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline 06:01:49 #info 2015-09-22 Beta Release 06:01:49 #info 2015-10-13 Final Freeze (*) 06:01:50 #info 2015-10-27 Fedora 23 Final Release 06:01:52 hi 06:02:10 #chair fujiwarat tagoh_ mfabian anish_ juhp paragan epico 06:02:10 Current chairs: anish_ epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins tagoh_ 06:02:56 Beta Freeze is almost one week away. If you want your change/fix to be included in Beta make sure its done before Beta freeze. 06:03:15 hi epico :) 06:03:17 #topic New topics 06:03:22 #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins) 06:03:24 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 06:03:31 first update on budget stuff. 06:04:02 We got approval from FPL on budget but its conditional 06:04:04 #link https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/39#comment:9 06:04:11 ""but would like to hear the rest of you weigh in on the extra expenditure. I'd be particularly concerned if this leaves us with, for example, a shortfall in reaching our university outreach objective."" 06:05:01 FPL wants opinion from other council members on extra budget i.e. more than $5000 06:05:25 As of present in worst case we will definitely get $5000 06:05:36 so our contingency plan is like 06:05:57 We need: Travel + Accommodation = $5825 06:06:07 Social Stuff = $500 06:06:22 if we get only $5000, we will drop social stuff 06:06:43 okay 06:06:52 and will reimburse 5000/5825 = 86% approx 06:07:07 yes sounds reasonable 06:07:19 so if you are fine with this please start doing booking stuff. 06:07:39 i hope we can get better flight rates booking early 06:07:51 okay thanks! 06:08:05 I am going to present next week in council and will try to convince to get requested budget. 06:08:15 so lets prepare for worst and think for best :) 06:08:23 any question on budgeting? 06:08:47 I am going to send out mail today to all participants asking for final confirmation, travel details and plans for FAD 06:09:32 juhp: nice, it will help us to also prepare invitation letters. 06:11:06 also we should suggest hotel for accommodation. 06:11:10 do we have any list? 06:11:35 booking.com supports booking in advance and pay only when you actually stay there. 06:11:51 so, if we can get list, it will be helpful for attendees 06:12:18 pravins, so reimbustment would be 86%? 06:12:31 pravins: I could show you some candidates. 06:12:34 aeng_: yeah, its on worst case scenario. 06:12:41 tagoh_: yeah, it will be nice. 06:12:54 do you have the spreadsheet? 06:13:03 Where exactly is the venue? 06:13:35 aeng: https://ethercalc.org/2benkd7zwl 06:14:28 mfabian, the venue is the Tokyo Red Hat Office at Ebisu Station 06:14:43 mfabian: hmm, need to update FAD page with more details. 06:15:22 if you're in the RHT i18n team please talk to me before booking any hotel 06:15:28 #action Adds more information to FAD page. 06:15:39 the current FAD budget basically assumes sharing a room 06:15:49 yes 06:16:01 so you will either need to find a room-mate or pay the difference yourself 06:16:23 yeah 06:17:06 I guess there is nothing as cheap as the hostels in Brno? ☹ 06:17:20 yeah 06:17:28 True !! 06:17:31 I guess there are hostels too in Tokyo 06:17:53 Trying to search for hostels in Tokyo ... 06:18:01 or cheap hotels 06:18:08 if its in budget, i think good to stay near FAD venue. 06:18:30 i think once tagoh_ prepare list it will be helpful for us. 06:18:30 near Ebisu maybe not so much... 06:18:42 last time i stayed at http://www.sakura-hotel.co.jp/ 06:18:55 anish_: is it near to office? 06:19:22 not much but its nearby from train station 06:19:31 i mean on the same line 06:19:34 I suggest we come up with a recommended hotel but if people want to stay somewhere cheaper/hostel or more expensive (at their own additional cost) that is also okay 06:19:35 thanks anish_ for information :) 06:19:44 i think lets discuss other details on email. 06:20:16 move to next important topic, on which topics should we collaborate in FAD. 06:20:19 Yes, there seem to be hostels starting from around 15$/night in a 12 bed dorm ... 06:20:30 nice 06:20:39 excellent 06:21:02 mfabian, might have to travel a little to get to Ebisu perhaps 06:21:13 Lets mention these info. somewhere, will helpful for booking. 06:21:26 not so many hotels in Ebisu anyway 06:21:31 We have list of topic https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit# 06:22:04 Noriko and Anish added few topics recently to idea list. 06:22:23 i think apeter is here for meeting, i think she can help on L10N sessions list :) 06:22:48 hi :) 06:23:11 ignore idea session starting with 'Done:' those are already discuss. still if you have any point feel free to suggest. 06:23:28 going through ideas one by one 06:23:31 #info make zanata-python-client compatible with zanata 3.7(anish) 06:23:51 as in request? 06:24:00 anish_: any comments on this? We will have carlos and aeng there. 06:24:06 yeah 06:24:17 aeng: it can be topic for hackthon. 06:24:27 Regarding L10n : 1. need to think how to increase more contributors 2. A main page for status updates / a page listing the fedora applications to be translated and where we can point the l10n people to 06:24:39 i will inform right now, we have no plan at the moment to update python client. 06:24:42 oops.. sorry 06:24:54 guess we were discussing other topic 06:25:10 apeter: yeah, list is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit# please see idea session 06:25:10 but we're open to community to update 06:25:35 aeng_, i talked with Dchen reading this i will update z-p-c accordingly 06:25:47 aha 06:25:57 yup, but its community effort for the time being 06:26:33 for supported client: http://zanata-client.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installation/linux-installation/ 06:26:51 anish_, sounds good 06:27:27 aeng: yeah, will take it as a community. 06:27:35 pravins, exactly, the things almost I want to cover is listed in the ideas. 06:27:44 i think most of us agree for this, we can move it to hackthon sessions 06:27:53 yup. Sounds good to be a hackton topic 06:27:57 cool 06:28:03 apeter: nice, lets discuss on those idea and see if we can move those to actual sessions 06:28:04 we already discussed these earlier and thanks for adding them to list pravins 06:28:10 pravins, sure 06:28:31 next one: Hunspell dict infra (anish) 06:28:39 #info Hunspell dict infra (anish) 06:29:14 not sure, what can we do for husnepll in meeting. But in general good topic to discuss 06:29:28 pravins, added z-p-c 06:29:38 juhp: thanks :) 06:29:58 #chairs apeter aeng_ 06:30:13 #chair apeter aeng_ 06:30:13 Current chairs: aeng_ anish_ apeter epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins tagoh_ 06:30:54 what do you think about "hunspell dict" topic? 06:31:41 i feel its long time ignored topic and at least we can understand present state and what we can done. 06:31:46 mostly looks like future planning. 06:31:54 since all we will be together worth discussing 06:32:05 wanted to have this but it has been hard to get time/attention to this - right probably hard to do much but planning actions might be good 06:32:19 if there is interest 06:32:23 +1 06:32:38 and time :) 06:32:40 +1 from me as well 06:32:46 juhp, pravins, whats hunspell dict? 06:33:14 thanks 06:33:22 aeng: spellcheck use this dict in background 06:33:31 agree 06:33:40 and unfortunately no update to it from last 4-5 years. 06:33:55 is that dict english based? 06:33:59 aeng_, http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/ - but this is mostly about maintenance of the dictionary data itself for languages 06:34:04 wondering if Zanata can explore its usage 06:34:09 aeng_, English too 06:34:35 yeah, +1 if we got time 06:34:37 aeng: good point. We can explore these from Zanata perspectives as well. 06:34:48 great. lets add to approved session list 06:34:53 and if we have time :) 06:35:03 #info web based input methods (anish) 06:35:18 anish_: i am doubtful if we can do this for this FAD. 06:35:18 aeng_, but not ja and zh 06:35:44 juhp, yeah.. we will need more evaluation on that 06:35:51 if other participants are interested in idea, we can add this. 06:36:04 even if we can 3 members that should be fine. 06:36:07 pravins, anish_: it is an interesting topic - less clear how it relates to fedora/fad 06:36:16 +1 06:36:30 sure 06:36:42 lets it in only idea section for now. 06:36:55 okay 06:37:04 Establish election procedure for FLSCO or GFSCO instead? (all?) 06:37:18 apeter: i am not sure what is FLSCO and GFSCO 06:37:28 anyone has idea? 06:37:35 #info Establish election procedure for FLSCO or GFSCO instead? (all?) 06:37:48 okay 06:38:08 #agreed Make zanata-python-client compatible with zanata 3.7 06:38:23 #agreed Hunspell dict project improvements 06:38:56 I have not added that 06:39:01 checking 06:39:11 apeter: yeah, noriko proposed it. 06:39:15 thought you might be now 06:39:40 but agree with it.. can have discussions around that topic 06:40:07 FGSCO? 06:40:18 * juhp assumes it is a typo 06:40:43 what is long form? :( 06:40:46 pravins were u asking me whats FLSCo ? 06:40:49 Fedora Localization Steering Committee (FLSCo) 06:41:00 Fedora G11n Steering Committee I assume 06:41:10 aha interested. did we had this earlier? 06:41:15 apeter, does that already exist? 06:41:33 It was.. not sure about the current status 06:41:40 yes it would be good to have some discussion on Fedora G11n Governance perhaps 06:41:46 #agreed To give less priority for Web based input method, since not clear mapping with Fedora project as of now. 06:41:57 looks like thats the reason noriko has added that 06:42:20 web input is interesting though - so if others interested you could add you name there too 06:42:42 idea is nice. i generally feel unlike i18n in l10n there is good chance of 30-40 active contributors contributing for different languages, so having something like this will be helpful 06:43:02 yes 06:43:06 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Steering_Committee?rd=L10N/SteeringCommittee - this is the one page I can find now 06:43:08 maybe good as a closing session? 06:43:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Steering_Committee?rd=L10N/SteeringCommittee 06:43:38 yes 06:43:47 yup maybe 06:44:08 #info List up important packages (including Gnome?) for localization (noriko, jens, pravin, ani, any other?) 06:44:22 This is good task 06:44:37 can be done as a hackthon and do in parallel with other activities? 06:45:15 yes I think so 06:45:22 someone added me ;) :) 06:45:42 juhp: you have always given nice input for default packages :) 06:45:57 it's fine 06:46:02 apeter: looks good to you? 06:46:11 This is more from FLTG as well. 06:46:22 we did some brainstorm during planning L10N test day. 06:46:23 +1 06:46:50 pravins, totally agree and looks good 06:46:53 great 06:47:11 #agreed List up important packages (including Gnome?) for localization 06:47:15 am happy to see whatever we discussed all these days are listed used the ideas.. nothing more I can think of now :) 06:47:24 #info Replace links with appropriate G11N links (noriko, ani, pravin, anyone?) 06:47:32 This is more Wiki improvement kind 06:47:44 still pending, so can be todo task in FAD 06:47:48 +1 06:47:58 yup but very important task wrt L10n 06:48:00 (hmm, better to move than copy...) 06:48:24 yeah, if we can move that is nice. 06:49:44 Will work on this in FAD 06:49:44 let me add in agreed. 06:50:19 #agreed Fedora G11N Wiki and cleanup of existing pages with latest update. 06:50:19 last idea 06:50:19 #info Involvement from Planning stage 06:50:22 not clear to me yet. 06:50:33 hm, too much tasks? 06:51:27 yeah.. i think its beginning to overload 06:51:57 sorry pravins even I am not clear 06:52:09 apeter: lets ignore it for now. :) 06:52:17 tagoh_: aeng agree with you. 06:52:19 yup.. we have lots of items in our plate 06:52:36 But we do not need to complete all these things. IMO These are listed for better scheduling. 06:52:54 in schedule we will select only those are possible and not overload us. 06:54:21 tagoh_, aeng_: right we will need to cut down to focus 06:54:23 make sense? 06:54:47 yeah 06:54:51 yup. But its good to have various selection topics 06:54:53 but good thing is now we have nice list of topics with us :) 06:55:07 I think people will also vote with their feet to some extent 06:56:04 PLEASE NOTE: We might extend meeting for 10-15 minutes today. 06:56:24 yeah 06:56:24 okies 06:56:33 np 06:56:34 * pravins happy with addition of more L10N topics now truly looks like G11N FAD :) 06:57:08 juhp: agreed 06:57:24 pravins, yes 06:57:57 anything more on FAD? if not lets move to next topic 06:58:10 and there is still time for more polishing and more discernment on the sessions/hackathon 06:58:28 not all participants on the list yet either 06:58:43 it is a good start now 06:58:50 +1 each attendees name should be in front of some topics. 06:58:55 certainly not final :) 06:58:59 :) 06:59:03 #info #50: Feature/Change planning for Fedora 23 (pravins) 06:59:12 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/50 06:59:18 nothing much on this topci 06:59:21 topic 06:59:38 Change proposals bug now moved into QA stage. 06:59:57 next topic 06:59:59 #info #52: Fedora 23 Test day planning (pravins) 07:00:12 first L10N test day. 07:00:36 apeter: as adamw suggested can you work on bit more verbose report? 07:00:53 * pravins hope not missed any update in between :) 07:01:39 pravins, yes will do that :) I was not sure how the report should be looking like, hence ceated such a table. Now have a idea :) 07:01:49 *an 07:02:34 you go ahead with report. once we done with i18n test day and tagoh_ also prepare reprot 07:02:50 may be i will club finding together and post on fedora magazine :) 07:02:56 if pitch gets approved ;) 07:03:17 coming back to i18n test day 07:03:20 pravins: yep 07:03:24 i18n test day was yesterday. 07:03:27 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-09-01_i18n 07:03:38 we have got good response in one day. 07:03:42 pravins, ok 07:03:53 apeter: you can check the test@ archives for some old test day reports 07:04:04 feel free to post a draft to the ticket if you want me to check it or anything 07:04:09 as usual though we say its test day, we normally execute as testweek ;) 07:04:16 and refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management#Do_a_post-event_review 07:04:18 * pravins also need to complete testing activity :( 07:04:25 a single report for the whole test week works fine as well 07:04:44 sure adamw. 07:04:52 will do that 07:05:03 adamw: thanks, links very helpful. :) 07:06:01 adamw: dunno how do you sound G11N (i18n and l10n) testing report or finding's in fedora magazine? 07:06:14 s/sound/find 07:06:52 need to make it more user centric may be 07:07:06 i.e. how its going to help users for Fedora 23 final release. 07:07:19 in between lets move ahead 07:07:25 #info #53: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 23 release (pravins) 07:07:31 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/53 07:07:49 nothing on this for today. 07:07:54 #topic Open Floor 07:08:24 aeng: i missed to include zanata feedback survey topic in today meeting :( 07:08:34 we should not keep it waiting for so long. 07:08:58 apeter: do you think we should have another meeting tomorrow/friday for quickly discussing it? 07:09:38 #idea Article in Fedora Magazine for finding/report about Fedora G11N (i18n and l10n) test day. 07:09:45 pravins yes please we need to finish that too 07:09:51 +1 07:09:55 and run the survey by next week 07:10:04 pravins, what sort of format are we looking at for the magazine? 07:10:18 lets have a meeting tomorrow 07:10:30 we have the draft by luke 07:10:32 magazine is more user oriented. so need to mold information in that way. 07:10:35 apeter, please setup something for tomorrow 07:10:51 great 07:10:54 aeng, sure 07:11:08 #agreed Meeting on 3rd Sept for Zanata feedback survey questions finalizing. 07:11:12 we are done 07:11:33 cool 07:11:34 aeng: are you asking for Testing report for Zanata survey? 07:11:50 for the survey 07:11:51 if nothing more lets close meeting in few couple of minutes 07:12:09 aeng: i mentioned it for testing day reprot 07:12:19 ah 07:12:21 :) 07:12:22 for survey may be we can ask FPL to include it in weekly 5 news 07:12:36 well... lets finalised it tomorrow 07:12:39 lets talk on that in tomorrows meeting :) 07:12:44 +1 07:12:45 yes 07:12:56 thanks all for nice meeting. 07:13:01 #endmeeting