01:01:10 <award3535> #startmeeting FAmNA 01:01:10 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Sep 4 01:01:10 2015 UTC. The chair is award3535. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:01:10 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:01:22 <award3535> #meetingname FAmNA 01:01:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:01:34 <award3535> #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:01:41 <linux-modder> .hello corey84 01:01:42 <zodbot> linux-modder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com> 01:01:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> .hello paradoxguitarist 01:01:58 <zodbot> ParadoxGuitarist: paradoxguitarist 'Brian Monroe' <briancmonroe@gmail.com> 01:01:59 <linux-modder> evening all 01:02:17 <award3535> #chair Cydorbolt wrnash1 ParadoxGuitarist linux-modder 01:02:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydorbolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 linux-modder wrnash1 01:02:27 <wrnash1> Wonder how many will show up tonight due to football 01:02:33 <linux-modder> nice showing tonight 01:02:38 <award3535> #topic === Announcements === 01:02:41 * kk4ewt 01:02:53 <award3535> #chair kk4ewt 01:02:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydorbolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 kk4ewt linux-modder wrnash1 01:03:18 <award3535> announcements anyone 01:03:50 <award3535> I have something to bring up 01:04:01 <linux-modder> Will be going to DevFestDc 11-12 th had a few requests for demos 01:04:23 <kk4ewt> *** F22-20150826 updated lives are available at http://tinyurl.com/Live-respins *** 01:05:07 <award3535> we as ambassadors need to adhere to the guidelines set forth for tickets and requesting funding 01:05:57 <kk4ewt> ??? 01:06:14 <wrnash1> which ticket are you talking about? 01:06:24 <award3535> ruth and I spoke about some things going on with funding (and Budget) 01:06:54 <award3535> none in particular, its the ones that dont get placed in tickets 01:07:13 <ParadoxGuitarist> Like Tablecloths? 01:07:14 <linux-modder> ah so more of a ticket or no funding thing 01:07:41 <award3535> you got it, we cant track it if there is no ticket 01:07:47 <kk4ewt> ok 01:07:49 <Cydrobolt> Ah, recent tablecloth quotes 01:08:16 <linux-modder> last i saw from the ml was ~$400 for fedora blue or did that change 01:08:21 <award3535> those can be entered since we talked about it, but they need tickets created 01:08:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> To raise an a counterpoint, we had a ticket for tableclosths at one point. 01:08:39 <award3535> that applies to events as well 01:09:42 <award3535> table cloths we did 01:09:53 <wrnash1> I agree that a ticket will need to be created if someone is going to do some researching 01:10:04 <ParadoxGuitarist> 105 01:10:40 <kk4ewt> and i think the banners we did 01:11:00 <award3535> yes but those were not the problem 01:13:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> I also think, it would be good to always have our budget in front of us. 01:13:08 * danofsatx-lt is here 01:13:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't think I've ever seen our budget 01:13:16 <danofsatx-lt> class is over, but I'll stick around for a bit 01:13:18 <award3535> What I need to have happen, is before anything is brought for a vote for funds there needs to be a ticket created and updated each time 01:13:42 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: Is it already posted somewhere online? 01:13:44 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I didnt even get the number to start 01:13:49 <jsandys> jeff joins late 01:13:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: THAT IS A HUGE DEAL 01:14:11 <award3535> #chair danofsatx-It jsandys 01:14:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cydorbolt ParadoxGuitarist award3535 danofsatx-It jsandys kk4ewt linux-modder wrnash1 01:15:02 <award3535> No kidding, the items I cannot track if one, I dont have a ticket to reference, two the final expenses sent to me, so keeping a budget is 01:15:12 <award3535> completely impossible 01:15:29 <ParadoxGuitarist> Was Ruth able to share it with us? 01:15:49 <award3535> I have tried several times to get final costs of events, etc, emailed to me and only a handful get to me 01:16:28 <award3535> Once ruth and I get the funds nailed down (next week) I will share the remaining budget with all concerned 01:16:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm all for hainvg us all look at the budget before each item we vote on 01:17:10 <linux-modder> same here 01:17:14 <award3535> so just like the requirements for requesting reembursment 01:17:24 <kk4ewt> i agree totally 01:17:27 <award3535> there will be the same requesting it 01:17:41 <linux-modder> more than fair 01:18:23 <wrnash1> I think we should go over the budget first before going to tickets 01:18:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> Agreed 01:18:40 <award3535> So as your budget guy once we get this nailed down, I will prior to each item voted on, give the remaining funds in each area 01:19:13 <danofsatx-lt> sounds good 01:19:20 <ParadoxGuitarist> This is related, they want some swag for an event up in the Bay area. 01:19:31 <ParadoxGuitarist> Do we have the budget to send that? 01:19:46 <award3535> right now there are only a couple of items out there that really does not effect some smaller items 01:20:23 <award3535> shipping as long as we keep the expense down with no two day or overnight stuff yes 01:20:32 <award3535> planning planning planning 01:20:35 <award3535> is the key 01:21:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> They ask for two day, so I'll deny it then 01:21:10 <kk4ewt> well planning went out the door for myself and nb afte Flock i was working 15 hours days and it slipped up on my 01:21:13 <kk4ewt> me 01:21:33 <award3535> some things are not avoidable 01:22:06 <award3535> TXLF was in flux right up until the event 01:22:15 <kk4ewt> then i dropped the box off in time for 2 day shipping at ground rate and the person said it would go out at 5pm the next moring it was still there so i had to do overnite 01:22:18 <award3535> I will talk off line about it 01:25:31 <kk4ewt> ok tablecloths 01:25:32 <kk4ewt> If we go with a stock color (like white or "blue"), this is the pricing: 01:25:32 <kk4ewt> 6 ft. - $205.00 01:25:32 <kk4ewt> 8 ft. - $225.00 01:25:33 <kk4ewt> Set-up fee - $40.00 01:25:33 <kk4ewt> If we do a pantone color match ("fedora blue"), this is the pricing: 01:25:34 <kk4ewt> 6 ft - $390.00 01:25:36 <kk4ewt> 8 ft. - $410.00 01:25:38 <kk4ewt> Set-up - $40.00 01:25:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm for Black 01:25:50 <ParadoxGuitarist> cheaper. 01:25:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> Plus should last us longer 01:26:06 <wrnash1> +1 for black 01:26:11 <kk4ewt> i see the time as same 01:26:19 <linux-modder> +1 Black 01:26:28 <award3535> +1 black 01:26:28 <jsandys> +1 black 8 foot 01:26:33 <kk4ewt> -1 01:27:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> what's your concern kk4ewt? 01:27:07 <jsandys> 8 foot cloth will fit a 6 foot table but not the other way around. 01:27:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> jsandys: My thoughts exactly. 01:27:30 <linux-modder> gives us options but how many events need 8' 01:27:33 <kk4ewt> does these have fedora logo on it 01:27:40 <kk4ewt> all of them 01:27:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: Yes 01:27:53 <kk4ewt> then white shows that the best 01:28:08 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: White also get dirty the quickest 01:28:09 <kk4ewt> and makes our booth stand out 01:28:21 <ParadoxGuitarist> Washing it reduce it's life. 01:28:22 <kk4ewt> thats why they make washing machines 01:28:30 <linux-modder> kk4ewt, does have a point 01:28:52 <jsandys> white is nice but needs cleaning, blue would be ok, but color match is not worth it IMHO. 01:28:54 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, how many time will it be washed a year 1-3 01:29:12 <award3535> to keep the system on track I am going to shift to open floor 01:29:24 <award3535> #topic === Tickets === 01:29:28 <wrnash1> Should it be dry clean 01:29:29 <kk4ewt> and when they get used 4-5 times a year 01:29:35 <award3535> #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 01:29:38 <kk4ewt> hopefully 01:29:41 <kk4ewt> not 01:29:42 <award3535> NO Tickets 01:29:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: one spill or dirty hand on the first day of an multi-day event and we we go from sticking-out to stay away. 01:29:53 <award3535> #topic == Open Floor === 01:29:57 <kk4ewt> the one we have is machine wshable 01:30:07 <award3535> keep the conversation going 01:30:16 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, and block show dirt as bad 01:30:21 <kk4ewt> black 01:30:26 <linux-modder> honestly tho all drinks should be off the cloth tho no? 01:30:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> I don't think so 01:30:39 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, it does 01:30:51 <ParadoxGuitarist> linux-modder: doesn't stop folks walking around with their free beer as they visit the booth 01:30:53 <kk4ewt> all dust and eveything shows up 01:31:07 <ParadoxGuitarist> Dust yes, but not as obviously 01:31:12 <linux-modder> forgot about that 01:31:17 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, my wife does direct sales and her black clothes show more dirt 01:31:43 * ParadoxGuitarist shrugs. I guess it depends on dye job. 01:31:44 <danofsatx-lt> dust shows up on black, everything else shows up on white. I say blue - the one we used at TXLF stayed presentable throughout the weekend. 01:32:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> The ones that they use at my Univeristy don't show on the black. 01:32:37 <jsandys> light blue, with dark blue and black or white print? 01:32:41 <ParadoxGuitarist> Probably depends on the material as well. 01:32:44 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, and she does 2-3 shows a week 01:32:57 <kk4ewt> i will go with blue 01:33:19 <linux-modder> is it navy blue or fedora blue if we go solid color 01:33:20 <kk4ewt> i highly suggest no black 01:33:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm in favor of blue over white 01:33:52 <award3535> Blue over white with me as well 01:33:56 <kk4ewt> the shows we work the brighter the color the better 01:33:56 <linux-modder> black or blue 01:34:14 <jsandys> colors stand out, black is easiest to deal with 01:34:30 <kk4ewt> makes the booth stand out verse the other booths at a event 01:34:51 <linux-modder> and standing out likely means more visits 01:35:02 <danofsatx-lt> well, it's hard to stand out when you're directly opposite Rackspace and Ubuntu. 01:35:24 <linux-modder> doesn't mean we can't try 01:35:38 <ParadoxGuitarist> Screw that. I had music. Rackspace was visiting my booth. 01:35:42 <linux-modder> I'd be game for blue 01:35:52 <ParadoxGuitarist> =) 01:36:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> jsandys was there. 01:36:37 <jsandys> =1 music 01:36:45 <ParadoxGuitarist> Ok blue? 01:37:11 <ParadoxGuitarist> Blue. 01:37:30 <linux-modder> +1 blue i guess makes more sense than black 01:37:36 <ParadoxGuitarist> 3 of the standard blue is still cheaper than 2 fedora blue. 01:37:43 <jsandys> can we see samples of the stock colors? 01:37:50 <wrnash1> Light blue, Dark blue 01:37:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> what's the company name? 01:38:02 <kk4ewt> we dont know 01:38:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> who gave the quote? 01:38:09 <ParadoxGuitarist> *grumble* 01:38:10 <kk4ewt> spot 01:38:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> spot: !!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:38:24 <kk4ewt> look in your ambassdor enmail 01:38:40 <award3535> yes spot gave us the information, the quote was from the same folks that take care of RH 01:38:54 <linux-modder> initial subject was NA --tablecloth qoute iirc 01:39:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> No, the banner one had the vendor 01:39:50 <kk4ewt> yes we need 8' thats a given 01:40:50 <kk4ewt> ok at this point we need to ask to see the stock colors then go from there 01:41:17 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, di you see the request for swag for the eventt of the 9th 01:41:33 <kk4ewt> from Matt \ 01:42:06 <jsandys> +1 see stock colors 01:42:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: that was one I brought up earlier 01:42:38 <ParadoxGuitarist> they're requesting two day shipping 01:42:41 <linux-modder> I'd be for darker blue but seeing stock is best 01:45:25 <ParadoxGuitarist> http://cdn.displays2go.com/images/bgd8rc24hr.rw.jpg 01:45:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> if it's like these colors I'm in favor of the medium blue 01:46:01 <ParadoxGuitarist> Listed PMS 300 01:47:54 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist where is the ticket for the Bay area you were discussing, I did not see it 01:48:24 <jsandys> i would go lighter, 292, so dark text and logo stands out 01:48:41 <kk4ewt> jsandys, that is what my wife picked as well 01:48:48 <award3535> ParadoxGuitarist I just PM'd you with another question 01:48:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> award3535: it's in famnarequests 01:49:15 <linux-modder> id be for 292 or 300 01:49:37 <kk4ewt> 292 she siad is closer to the fedora color 01:50:05 <kk4ewt> but then again we have to wait to see what the budget says 01:50:09 <jsandys> when is the SF event? 01:50:17 <kk4ewt> 9-9 01:50:45 <jsandys> What is needed? 01:51:48 <kk4ewt> https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ticket/382 01:53:07 <award3535> kk4ewt am on it, puzzled why project leader would put a 2 day request in knowing that my ears were burning from inode0 on the cost 01:53:48 <kk4ewt> and inode0 approved it in the board meeting 01:54:11 <kk4ewt> cause i guess he thought it was close that ground would work 01:54:17 <ParadoxGuitarist> So I'm sending it? 01:54:27 <kk4ewt> send it please 01:54:32 <award3535> I think so 01:54:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> I didn't find out for how many people until this morning 01:54:40 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll send it tomorrow. 01:54:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> Sending DVDs and stickers 01:55:05 <kk4ewt> anything you can 01:55:11 <award3535> please update the ticket as well ParadoxGuitarist 01:55:23 <ParadoxGuitarist> will do 01:55:28 <award3535> TY 01:55:55 <ParadoxGuitarist> Two day or ground? 01:55:58 <ParadoxGuitarist> It's in CA 01:56:29 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm in southern california, and it's going to the bay area 01:56:50 <award3535> two day what apparently approved 01:56:57 <ParadoxGuitarist> Ok 01:57:14 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'll take it to the UPS store 01:57:48 <ParadoxGuitarist> and I'll bug vwbusguy to print me out a shipping label 01:58:58 <jsandys> open floor? 01:59:26 <award3535> we are already there i shifted to open floor awhile ago 01:59:37 <jsandys> College Ambassadors, what can we do? It was a topic that came up at flock. 02:00:09 <award3535> I have one on the hook right now at michigan 02:00:18 <award3535> I am his mentor 02:00:22 <danofsatx-lt> I would love to set up a program here at my Uni. 02:01:02 <ParadoxGuitarist> I think the key to this is faculty engagement. 02:01:21 <award3535> and the willingness of the individual as well 02:01:38 <kk4ewt> ParadoxGuitarist, contact me in the morning and i will kick you out a label 02:02:12 <kk4ewt> jsandys, it has been tried several times and has fallen flat 02:02:26 <ParadoxGuitarist> I've dropped off disks at half a dozen local campuses over SoCal, had conversations, left my card, offered to sponsor events, and haven't heard back from a single person. 02:03:13 <jsandys> I'll make a wiki page of my ideas for discussion. 02:03:18 <award3535> I have as well, even tried the high schools in my area with computer clubs 02:03:27 <ParadoxGuitarist> Then we have people that get called in for HackRU and they just kill it. 02:04:00 <award3535> Cydrobolt did that event last year 02:04:13 <Cydrobolt> Hey 02:04:16 <Cydrobolt> What's going on? 02:04:19 <ParadoxGuitarist> yeah, and he got engaged there! 02:04:34 <award3535> he did a great job 02:04:35 <kk4ewt> well i have a installfest with the VTLUUG on sunday 02:04:37 <ParadoxGuitarist> Cydrobolt: Just talking about how you were tearing it up at HackRU last year 02:04:45 <Cydrobolt> ParadoxGuitarist, HackRU was the best 02:04:53 <ParadoxGuitarist> ITT Technical has a Fedora class, but they're on version 15 or 16 and the professors won't call me back. 02:05:58 <award3535> that is the same problem I run into as well, the classes wont leave or update curriculum 02:06:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> I offered to just come in and talk about Fedora. 02:06:25 <award3535> that would require updating and correcting 02:07:15 <award3535> jsandys can I identify you as action on the wiki page discussion 02:07:41 <jsandys> Sure 02:08:00 <kk4ewt> i do a yearly day long class in the local high school "intro to linux" 02:08:18 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: That's awesome 02:08:44 <ParadoxGuitarist> kk4ewt: You should poll all the android users and send them home. ;) 02:08:57 <award3535> #action jsandys to create wiki discussion page for college ambassador program 02:09:26 <Cydrobolt> ParadoxGuitarist, as with a lot of schools 02:10:16 <award3535> ok folks we are out of time infact 10 minutes over 02:10:59 <linux-modder> ParadoxGuitarist, there is an ITT tech near me I can see 02:11:00 <award3535> we have to end the meeting any thing else before we go 02:11:22 <ParadoxGuitarist> not I 02:11:35 <wrnash1> nothing 02:11:47 <ParadoxGuitarist> linux-modder: I've visited 4 since I travel all over SoCal for work. 02:12:03 <linux-modder> this is east coast 02:12:26 <danofsatx-lt> I've got to run...are we voting on anything? 02:12:29 <award3535> please move any discussions that you wish to continue to the ambassadors irc 02:12:30 <ParadoxGuitarist> linux-modder: I really hope they take advantage of you. 02:12:32 <linux-modder> brother was best buds with the CS folks 02:12:35 <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm done 02:12:43 <ParadoxGuitarist> Good meeting all. 02:12:54 <award3535> great meeting tonight !! 02:13:09 <award3535> see you all next week 02:13:13 <award3535> #endmeeting