16:56:33 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2015-09-14) 16:56:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Sep 14 16:56:33 2015 UTC. The chair is mattdm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:56:33 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:56:35 <mattdm> #meetingname council 16:56:35 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council' 16:56:37 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb cwickert rdieter langdon sgallagh decause 16:56:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert decause jkurik jwb langdon mattdm rdieter sgallagh 16:56:51 <langdon> i may try... but i am also shoving my lunch in to my face 16:56:52 <mattdm> #topic Presentation on state of G11N (Globalization!) 16:56:57 <jkurik> .hello jkurik 16:56:58 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com> 16:57:01 <langdon> ^^ typing i mean 16:57:08 <mattdm> https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cid9l41cpmaqlga898kl9sgrmeo 16:57:09 <langdon> .hello langdon 16:57:10 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com> 16:57:13 <mattdm> #link https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cid9l41cpmaqlga898kl9sgrmeo 16:57:20 <mattdm> #info google hangout link 16:57:26 <pravins> .hello pravins 16:57:27 <zodbot> pravins: pravins 'Pravin Satpute' <psatpute@redhat.com> 16:57:36 <mattdm> hello pravins! 16:57:40 <mattdm> #link https://pravins.fedorapeople.org/G11N-Council.pdf 16:57:43 <mattdm> #info ^ slides 16:58:26 <rdieter> I'll try to transcribe 16:58:49 <rdieter> globalization 16:58:59 <mattdm> rdieter++ 16:59:16 <langdon> rdieter, could you please translate g11n into a bunch of other languages? ;) 16:59:25 <rdieter> bork bork bork 16:59:41 <rdieter> that's all i got 16:59:41 <langdon> well.. that is one! 17:00:20 <rdieter> topics: g11n overal, present activities, future plans, q&a 17:00:47 <rdieter> i18n: 17:01:45 <rdieter> internationalization, includes: Encoding (fairly stable these days). unicode 17:02:17 <rdieter> fonts... most latin fonts covered, fonts for other locales (than english) 17:02:37 <rdieter> japanese, chinese, india, arabic, etc... 17:03:04 <rdieter> input methods: non latin locales, characters are more than keys on a keyboard 17:03:20 <rdieter> use combinations, cntl, cntl-shift, etc... 17:03:39 <rdieter> locales: 1000's in total 17:03:56 <rdieter> working with glibc upstream to support more 17:04:12 <rdieter> L10N: Appication translations 17:04:26 <rdieter> translating UI, docs 17:04:55 <rdieter> make efforts to help internationalize commonly used applications 17:05:56 <rdieter> zanata: platform for L10n 17:06:32 <rdieter> FLTG: fedora language testing group 17:07:11 <rdieter> testing language rendering 17:07:27 <pravins> http://utrrs-testing.rhcloud.com/language/hi/gsub 17:10:33 <pravins> Proposal for G11N : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Globalization_Proposal 17:11:34 <rdieter> mentions 4 groups, but each are currently isolated, not much collaboration 17:12:01 <rdieter> Internationalization, Localization, Zanata, FLTG 17:12:28 <rdieter> "Ultimate goal of these four groups is to provide a seamless language and cultural experience to Fedora products." 17:13:44 <mattdm> hi cwickert! 17:14:05 <mattdm> cwickert: i muted you :) 17:14:40 <rdieter> mailing list: g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org 17:14:47 <rdieter> (infrastructure) 17:14:53 <rdieter> #fedora-g11n 17:15:36 <rdieter> trac: fedorahosted.org/G11N 17:15:50 <rdieter> wiki (pending) 17:15:58 <mattdm> I just thought of a todo item -- merge i18n and l10n links lon left side of wiki :) 17:17:24 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-08-18_L10N?rd=/Test_Day:2015-08-18_L10N 17:17:39 <rdieter> test days, yay 17:17:58 <rdieter> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-09-01_i18n 17:18:02 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-09-01_i18n 17:21:04 <rdieter> F233 Changes 17:21:07 <rdieter> F23 Changes, that is 17:21:11 <rdieter> Unicode 8.0 17:21:47 <rdieter> libicu update was postponed 17:22:10 <rdieter> IBus Libzhuyin, for improved chinese support 17:22:25 <rdieter> IBus 1.5.11 17:22:41 <rdieter> Glibc locale subpackaging 17:22:56 <pravins> Locale subpackaging: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Locale_Subpackaging 17:23:09 <rdieter> currently lacks consensus, still under discussion 17:23:35 <rdieter> planning more meetings on the topic, with glibc upstream 17:24:10 <rdieter> upcoming FAD to work on implementation 17:24:21 <rdieter> Working with Workstation WG: 17:24:49 <rdieter> Gnome redesign plans, DNF langpacks plugins 17:25:47 <rdieter> G11N FAD: 1-3 Mov 2015 Tokyo, Japan 17:26:07 <rdieter> Oct 28-30 2015, Open Stack summit (Tokyo) 17:26:22 <rdieter> draft schedule https://ethercalc.org/g6f8rg28bz 17:26:27 <mattdm> budget ticket https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/39 17:26:31 <pravins> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit# 17:27:03 <rdieter> pending budget approval 17:28:42 <rdieter> hopefully council can give feedback on budget soon (today) 17:32:54 <rdieter> Q&A on FAD... 17:33:01 <rdieter> moving on... 17:33:35 <rdieter> Zanata: migrated from transifix, feedback survey for users, package maintainers and translators 17:33:55 <rdieter> survey live next week, and fedora magazine article 17:34:10 <rdieter> Future Plans 17:34:22 <rdieter> moving translation deadline around Beta (currently alpha) 17:34:36 <rdieter> (and number of packages get change till final freeze) 17:35:11 <rdieter> L10n sprints 17:35:24 <rdieter> (may require more funding support) 17:35:49 <rdieter> Test days: concentrating on workstation 17:36:21 <rdieter> locale subpackaging would greatly assist Cloud (vs current strategy of removing all translations) 17:36:55 <rdieter> and more attention for server and atomic too 17:37:31 <rdieter> Increasing community around G11N 17:38:06 <rdieter> finding mentors, possible gsoc ideas, listing out easy tasks 17:38:29 <rdieter> executing FAD successfully 17:40:33 <mattdm> rdieter_work: lost you? 17:41:03 <mattdm> discussion is about localized media for fedora 17:41:33 <pravins> Hantana 17:43:03 <rdieter> sorry, got disconnected for a bit 17:44:57 <rdieter> localization of fedora magazine articles 17:45:07 <rdieter> (part of brainstorming idea) 17:46:18 <rdieter> fedora G11N status 17:46:45 <mattdm> $ ls /usr/share/locale/|wc -l 17:46:47 <mattdm> 647 17:47:04 <rdieter> decide criteria for determining "fedora support" for languages 17:48:37 <rdieter> Questions? 17:49:42 <langdon> i got nothing 17:50:23 <rdieter> thanks pravin! 17:50:41 <rdieter> next week fedora countil meeting will be irc, same time (here) 17:50:43 <rdieter> #fedora-meeting 17:51:08 <jkurik> thanks pravins, it was very interesting for me 17:51:25 <pravins> thanks all for giving opportunity to present G11N :) 17:51:31 <rdieter> agenda topics to fedora-council ml, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/council-discuss 17:51:41 <rdieter> thanks everyone 17:51:43 <rdieter> #endmeeting