16:56:33 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2015-09-14)
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16:56:35 <mattdm> #meetingname council
16:56:35 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'council'
16:56:37 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb cwickert rdieter langdon sgallagh decause
16:56:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert decause jkurik jwb langdon mattdm rdieter sgallagh
16:56:51 <langdon> i may try... but i am also shoving my lunch in to my face
16:56:52 <mattdm> #topic Presentation on state of G11N (Globalization!)
16:56:57 <jkurik> .hello jkurik
16:56:58 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com>
16:57:01 <langdon> ^^ typing i mean
16:57:08 <mattdm> https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cid9l41cpmaqlga898kl9sgrmeo
16:57:09 <langdon> .hello langdon
16:57:10 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
16:57:13 <mattdm> #link https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cid9l41cpmaqlga898kl9sgrmeo
16:57:20 <mattdm> #info google hangout link
16:57:26 <pravins> .hello pravins
16:57:27 <zodbot> pravins: pravins 'Pravin Satpute' <psatpute@redhat.com>
16:57:36 <mattdm> hello pravins!
16:57:40 <mattdm> #link https://pravins.fedorapeople.org/G11N-Council.pdf
16:57:43 <mattdm> #info ^ slides
16:58:26 <rdieter> I'll try to transcribe
16:58:49 <rdieter> globalization
16:58:59 <mattdm> rdieter++
16:59:16 <langdon> rdieter, could you please translate g11n into a bunch of other languages? ;)
16:59:25 <rdieter> bork bork bork
16:59:41 <rdieter> that's all i got
16:59:41 <langdon> well.. that is one!
17:00:20 <rdieter> topics: g11n overal, present activities, future plans, q&a
17:00:47 <rdieter> i18n:
17:01:45 <rdieter> internationalization, includes: Encoding (fairly stable these days).  unicode
17:02:17 <rdieter> fonts... most latin fonts covered, fonts for other locales (than english)
17:02:37 <rdieter> japanese, chinese, india, arabic, etc...
17:03:04 <rdieter> input methods: non latin locales, characters are more than keys on a keyboard
17:03:20 <rdieter> use combinations, cntl, cntl-shift, etc...
17:03:39 <rdieter> locales: 1000's in total
17:03:56 <rdieter> working with glibc upstream to support more
17:04:12 <rdieter> L10N: Appication translations
17:04:26 <rdieter> translating UI, docs
17:04:55 <rdieter> make efforts to help internationalize commonly used applications
17:05:56 <rdieter> zanata: platform for L10n
17:06:32 <rdieter> FLTG: fedora language testing group
17:07:11 <rdieter> testing language rendering
17:07:27 <pravins> http://utrrs-testing.rhcloud.com/language/hi/gsub
17:10:33 <pravins> Proposal for G11N : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Globalization_Proposal
17:11:34 <rdieter> mentions 4 groups, but each are currently isolated, not much collaboration
17:12:01 <rdieter> Internationalization, Localization, Zanata, FLTG
17:12:28 <rdieter> "Ultimate goal of these four groups is to provide a seamless language and cultural experience to Fedora products."
17:13:44 <mattdm> hi cwickert!
17:14:05 <mattdm> cwickert: i muted you :)
17:14:40 <rdieter> mailing list: g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org
17:14:47 <rdieter> (infrastructure)
17:14:53 <rdieter> #fedora-g11n
17:15:36 <rdieter> trac: fedorahosted.org/G11N
17:15:50 <rdieter> wiki (pending)
17:15:58 <mattdm> I just thought of a todo item -- merge i18n and l10n links lon left side of wiki :)
17:17:24 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-08-18_L10N?rd=/Test_Day:2015-08-18_L10N
17:17:39 <rdieter> test days, yay
17:17:58 <rdieter> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-09-01_i18n
17:18:02 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2015-09-01_i18n
17:21:04 <rdieter> F233 Changes
17:21:07 <rdieter> F23 Changes, that is
17:21:11 <rdieter> Unicode 8.0
17:21:47 <rdieter> libicu update was postponed
17:22:10 <rdieter> IBus Libzhuyin, for improved chinese support
17:22:25 <rdieter> IBus 1.5.11
17:22:41 <rdieter> Glibc locale subpackaging
17:22:56 <pravins> Locale subpackaging:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Locale_Subpackaging
17:23:09 <rdieter> currently lacks consensus, still under discussion
17:23:35 <rdieter> planning more meetings on the topic, with glibc upstream
17:24:10 <rdieter> upcoming FAD to work on implementation
17:24:21 <rdieter> Working with Workstation WG:
17:24:49 <rdieter> Gnome redesign plans, DNF langpacks plugins
17:25:47 <rdieter> G11N FAD: 1-3 Mov 2015 Tokyo, Japan
17:26:07 <rdieter> Oct 28-30 2015, Open Stack summit (Tokyo)
17:26:22 <rdieter> draft schedule https://ethercalc.org/g6f8rg28bz
17:26:27 <mattdm> budget ticket https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/39
17:26:31 <pravins> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p2jAxbo778CvBbr0h6n9hICTkQh5rMmbKY7g0kdGUWE/edit#
17:27:03 <rdieter> pending budget approval
17:28:42 <rdieter> hopefully council can give feedback on budget soon (today)
17:32:54 <rdieter> Q&A on FAD...
17:33:01 <rdieter> moving on...
17:33:35 <rdieter> Zanata: migrated from transifix, feedback survey for users, package maintainers and translators
17:33:55 <rdieter> survey live next week, and fedora magazine article
17:34:10 <rdieter> Future Plans
17:34:22 <rdieter> moving translation deadline around Beta (currently alpha)
17:34:36 <rdieter> (and number of packages get change till final freeze)
17:35:11 <rdieter> L10n sprints
17:35:24 <rdieter> (may require more funding support)
17:35:49 <rdieter> Test days: concentrating on workstation
17:36:21 <rdieter> locale subpackaging would greatly assist Cloud (vs current strategy of removing all translations)
17:36:55 <rdieter> and more attention for server and atomic too
17:37:31 <rdieter> Increasing community around G11N
17:38:06 <rdieter> finding mentors, possible gsoc ideas, listing out easy tasks
17:38:29 <rdieter> executing FAD successfully
17:40:33 <mattdm> rdieter_work: lost you?
17:41:03 <mattdm> discussion is about localized media for fedora
17:41:33 <pravins> Hantana
17:43:03 <rdieter> sorry, got disconnected for a bit
17:44:57 <rdieter> localization of fedora magazine articles
17:45:07 <rdieter> (part of brainstorming idea)
17:46:18 <rdieter> fedora G11N status
17:46:45 <mattdm> $ ls /usr/share/locale/|wc -l
17:46:47 <mattdm> 647
17:47:04 <rdieter> decide criteria for determining "fedora support" for languages
17:48:37 <rdieter> Questions?
17:49:42 <langdon> i got nothing
17:50:23 <rdieter> thanks pravin!
17:50:41 <rdieter> next week fedora countil meeting will be irc, same time (here)
17:50:43 <rdieter> #fedora-meeting
17:51:08 <jkurik> thanks pravins, it was very interesting for me
17:51:25 <pravins> thanks all for giving opportunity to present G11N :)
17:51:31 <rdieter> agenda topics to fedora-council ml, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/council-discuss
17:51:41 <rdieter> thanks everyone
17:51:43 <rdieter> #endmeeting