15:00:11 <adamw> #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
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15:00:16 <adamw> #meetingname fedora-qa
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15:00:20 <adamw> #topic Roll Call
15:00:22 <adamw> ahoyhoy folks
15:00:45 * roshi is here
15:00:48 * kparal is here
15:00:48 * lbrabec is lurking
15:00:52 * garretraziel is here
15:01:14 <shvr> is lurking
15:01:19 * satellit listening
15:01:31 * tflink is here
15:01:56 * pschindl is here
15:02:29 <adamw> wow, full house, huh
15:02:38 <adamw> can you hear me up in the cheap seats?
15:03:11 <adamw> #topic Previous meeting follow-up
15:03:17 <adamw> (a.k.a. Adam's Walk Of Shame)
15:03:36 <adamw> #info "adamw to find slide deck from Flock 'exploratory testing' talk and post it to the list" - did have a quick look but couldn't find it yet, I'll try this one more time
15:03:46 <adamw> #action adamw to find slide deck from Flock 'exploratory testing' talk and post it to the list
15:04:33 <adamw> #info "adamw to suggest a new date for Cinnamon test day that would have collided with Cloud" - so we moved it to the following week but then no-one got around to organizing it. Current plan is to do it again when we've had time to prep the test day page
15:04:50 <adamw> #action adamw to set up Cinnamon Test Day asap
15:05:01 <adamw> I think that's the full list of things I'm terrible at, anyone got any more? :)
15:05:22 <garretraziel> none here
15:06:43 <adamw> moving swiftly on, then :)
15:06:54 <adamw> #topic Fedora 23 status
15:07:05 <adamw> so just to make sure everyone knows where we're at:
15:07:18 * danofsatx is here
15:07:37 <adamw> 23 Beta TC5 is in testing now. the Beta freeze was last tuesday. Go/No-Go is (panics) this Thursday.
15:07:43 <adamw> (where DOES the time go)
15:08:00 * satellitsoasTC5 soas now works and also as sugar-runner in cinnamon (here)
15:08:00 <roshi> away
15:08:05 <roshi> that's where the time goes
15:08:59 <adamw> looking at test case coverage, I'd say we're somewhat behind, several haven't been done since Alpha
15:09:28 <adamw> mainly installation and server tests
15:09:50 <adamw> #info test case coverage is somewhat behind, we need to pick up all the missing tests this week
15:10:05 <adamw> in case anyone doesn't know: https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/23 helps you see what tests have been run when
15:11:20 <adamw> things look fairly good when looking at the blocker list, only one accepted blocker not at least in MODIFIED, and I know KDE folks are looking at that one. we'll review the proposed blockers after this meeting
15:11:31 <adamw> however, we do have quite a few concerns about DNF upgrades, I think?
15:11:44 <adamw> kparal: you have some opinions i believe :)
15:13:13 <kparal> I do, but I don't think it needs to block Beta
15:13:24 <kparal> but I should file it and we should discuss it, I guess
15:13:43 <kparal> wwoods has been very silent in that github report, I was waiting for some feedback
15:13:47 <nirik> if nothing else could be a commonbugs...
15:13:53 <kparal> right
15:14:40 <kparal> the tldr summary is that when you have certain packages installed (e.g. vlc/ffmpeg from rpmfusion), a large portion of your system will not upgrade to f23
15:15:08 <kparal> the only way to fix it is to use dnf distro-sync --allowerasing, which probably people will not discover easily
15:15:21 <nirik> :(
15:15:23 <adamw> kparal: yeah, i think the lack of clear response from wwoods/dnf folks is worrying me a bit there
15:15:38 <kparal> of course once rpmfusion is updated, this will go away, but I suppose it might happen very easily with other third-party repos people have usually installed
15:15:40 <adamw> it seems like something that needs a definite response
15:15:45 <kparal> even coprs and such
15:16:06 <nirik> he may have just been away, etc...
15:16:13 <adamw> nirik: all of them? :)
15:16:31 <nirik> them? dnf maintainers? or ?
15:16:38 <adamw> nirik: wwoods plus the dnf maintainers
15:16:45 <adamw> since this is kinda split responsibility
15:16:57 <adamw> (aiui the system upgrade plugin is basically following dnf's defaults)
15:16:57 <nirik> right, but I think they said they wanted him to actually maintain things. But I should just shut up... ;)
15:17:51 <adamw> kparal: is it OK if we make you the point person for this? being aware of known major problems with the upgrade behaviour and making sure at least appropriate people have considered the issues and made definite decisions
15:18:21 <kparal> adamw: ok, I'll try to reach to relevant people
15:18:26 <adamw> thanks
15:18:38 <adamw> bring it back to a meeting/the list if it seems like you're stuck or terrible things are happening, of course
15:18:42 <adamw> you know...more than they usually do
15:18:56 <kparal> I don't know how potentially problematic this issue is, it didn't break my system... but the upgrades have a bad reputation as they were, I'd rather have it safer than not
15:19:40 <adamw> kparal: it seems pretty concerning to me, honestly.
15:19:54 <adamw> ok, anyone have other notes on 23 status?
15:20:01 <roshi> at the very least, it could lead to some really bad press
15:20:20 <adamw> #action kparal to ensure DNF upgrade issues are properly considered by relevant developers / committees / whatever
15:22:49 <adamw> no? alrighty then
15:23:01 <adamw> #topic Open floor
15:23:08 <adamw> so in that case, anyone have any other notes on anything else at all?
15:23:18 <adamw> (you can tell this was a really tightly planned meeting, huh)
15:23:41 * adamw couldn't come up with anything else that needed discussing. it's almost like we know what we're doing or something. that, or we've all lost interest!
15:23:58 <adamw> oh, a question i guess - is bodhi 2 generally working out for folks so far?
15:24:15 * adamw has some quibbles with some UI decisions but mostly it seems to work
15:25:02 <kparal> has anyone tried fedora gooey karma yet?
15:25:16 <kparal> I saw that easy karma does not work yet
15:26:22 <adamw> no, but if easy-karma didn't get fixed yet i'd guess gooey-karma doesn't work
15:26:28 <adamw> we should really prioritize fixing at least easy-karma
15:26:36 <adamw> i kinda thought someone was working on that...no?
15:26:56 <kparal> I know tflink was a bit
15:27:24 <nirik> there's a bug and a patch
15:27:30 <nirik> I don't know why it's not pushed out yet...
15:27:42 <tflink> i think till is waiting on me - I got distracted
15:27:57 <adamw> it happens, no problems
15:28:01 <adamw> can i action you?
15:28:06 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1255452
15:28:07 <tflink> sure
15:29:23 <adamw> #action tflink to finish up getting easy-karma fixed up for Bodhi 2
15:30:36 <adamw> satellit: sugar's more or less in OK shape with TC5, right?
15:32:26 <nirik> has anyone tested Xfce on arm? ;)
15:32:46 <pwhalen> nirik, I will be shortly
15:32:57 <nirik> cool. let me know if you run into any issues.
15:33:15 <pwhalen> will do.
15:33:22 <adamw> nirik: surprisingly enough....no. :P
15:33:26 <adamw> pwhalen: thanks
15:33:44 * nirik is just trying to avoid last minuteizms
15:33:54 <adamw> yeah, good call
15:34:13 <adamw> i like how in fedora, planning it three days before the go/no-go counts as conscientious forethought
15:34:14 <danofsatx> FWIW, Cinnamon is really working well.
15:34:20 <adamw> danofsatx: good to know!
15:34:29 <adamw> you mean the cinnamon live image or just using cinnamon in general?
15:34:45 <danofsatx> Installed from live, and using afterwords.
15:35:19 <adamw> cool.
15:35:41 <adamw> alrighty, sounds like we're about done here
15:36:10 <adamw> i'm gonna provisionally aim to have an RC done tomorrow, depending on the outcome of blocker review, which is coming up in 25 mins
15:36:33 <adamw> #action adamw to get new anaconda build from sbueno and get RC1 (or failing that TC6) built soon
15:37:06 * adamw sets quantum fuse
15:38:27 * roshi will get started on i386 tests after blocker review
15:39:44 <adamw> yeah, i'm gonna make today a testing day too, try and get through the missing validation tests.
15:39:59 <adamw> alrighty, thanks for coming folks! blocker review at the top of the hour in #fedora-blocker-review, shoudl be a short one
15:40:03 <adamw> #endmeeting