18:00:10 #startmeeting Infrastructure (2015-10-01) 18:00:10 Meeting started Thu Oct 1 18:00:10 2015 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:10 #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:10 The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:10 #topic aloha 18:00:10 #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk pbrobinson 18:00:10 Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pbrobinson pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 18:00:10 #topic New folks introductions / Apprentice feedback 18:00:21 * pingou 18:00:25 * roshi 18:00:30 * puiterwijk is here 18:00:41 * dotEast2015 here 18:00:41 * aikidouke is here 18:00:46 Any new folks like to give a short one line introduction? or apprentices with questions or comments? 18:01:14 * tflink is here 18:02:01 Hi I am Sudeep and I would like to be a volunteer for the Fedora Infra 18:02:24 welcome smdeep. :) Are you more interested in sysadmin or application development? or both? 18:02:38 I am more interested in sysadmin 18:02:39 welcome smdeep 18:02:57 pingou: Thanks 18:03:16 cool. Do read the getting started docs and we will get you setup. ;) 18:03:19 Hi, I would like to come back to the group and help with sysadmin and python dev tasks 18:03:29 hello 18:03:34 nirik: Been reading the docs 18:03:35 welcome back danielbruno. ;) 18:03:35 * threebean is here 18:03:48 nirik: thanks :-) 18:03:54 smdeep, danielbruno welcome 18:04:04 hey all 18:04:12 smooge: thanks 18:04:13 smooge: ;) 18:04:23 dgilmore: hey 18:04:49 dgilmore: hi 18:05:13 great. So, see us after the meeting in #fedora-admin and we can get you added to the apprentice group, etc... 18:05:34 so, lets go on to status / info... not much this week: 18:05:38 #topic announcements and information 18:05:38 #info We have moved from lockbox01 to the batcave01 - kevin 18:05:38 #info Likely will have a mass update/reboot cycle next week - kevin/smooge/patrick/relrod 18:05:38 #info Apprentice nag email will be going out 2015-10-01, watch for it! - kevin 18:05:50 anyone have more or want to discuss those any? 18:06:09 * pingou ❤ batcave 18:06:51 oh, I was going to mention something: 18:07:10 nirik - do you do anything to suppress notifications when reboots are done? 18:07:30 aikidouke: we just disable notifications in nagios 18:07:31 this weekend if things are quiet I will likely try testing out a prerelease ansible2 on our setup... see if it's faster or has bugs we can report to ansible folks. 18:07:46 cool 18:07:50 oooo 18:07:55 that sounds great. 18:08:01 shiny 18:08:03 * pingou has a MM2 release coming up, nothing fancy though, mostly bug fix 18:08:16 * pingou wants to cut a pagure release, *lots* of changes there 18:09:02 nirik, do you have rpms for them? 18:09:07 I know one thing for master runs that will be faster... https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/playbooks_strategies.html but that will need some playbook changes 18:09:18 smooge: toshio has a copr. ;) 18:09:39 installs in parallel? 18:09:43 http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/toshio/ansible-upstream/ 18:10:31 I have also filed outage tickets for next week... cloud on the 5th and the rest of the servers on the 6th 18:10:35 * linuxmodder late 18:10:53 #topic TRAC tickets review - everyone 18:10:56 in other news, we deployed 'autocloud' this past week for the two-week-atomic initiative. there are apparently still a couple bugs to work out but it seems to be otherwise functioning as planned. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic 18:11:06 thanks to smooge, puiterwijk and everyone else who helped work on that. 18:11:18 oh and pdc 18:11:19 oh yeah. ;) great teamwork there... thanks to all innvolved 18:11:26 sorry for any headaches, too. 18:11:27 https://pdc.fedorainfracloud.org/ 18:11:51 yeah, thanks to pingou and puiterwijk for making pdc happen :) 18:11:54 team work there ^as well :) 18:12:01 threebean: you started it :) 18:12:10 does anyone have any trac tickets they want to discuss? I don't have a list or anything, but we can poke at some if people have ones... 18:12:11 next steps for pdc will be figuring out how to populate it without it becoming a manual burden. 18:12:14 Interresting info: PDC is our very first SAML2 SP. I'm looking into moving our other apps to SAML2 as well 18:12:16 side note: from docs and WS sig we should be hearing about a r/n update for 23 18:12:51 ws folks pushed a silent ua in chrome and were kinda pushed to make a r/n note 18:12:57 puiterwijk: keeping the openid and persona though right? 18:13:09 nirik: yeah, I'm not planning on deprecating any of those protocols 18:13:12 so, I was poking around the PDC web UI - what all functionality will it provide? 18:13:20 is there a doc somewhere I can read up on it? 18:13:28 linuxmodder: ok, not sure that impacts infrastructure any, but thanks for the info 18:13:32 just looking at SAML2 for our internal apps. I have a 20-line patch for flask-fas-openid that does it all, so it looks to be easy enough 18:14:33 ws, ua, r/n ? 18:14:38 roshi: no, but I'll try to put more information on or near this page https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/ComposeDB 18:14:51 ok, thanks 18:15:20 w/o data in there it was hard to suss out what it actually *did* - and the github README didn't have anything either... 18:15:21 roshi: https://github.com/release-engineering/product-definition-center is the upstream 18:15:39 but not sure that helps much 18:15:44 yeah, I just haven't built the docs for it yet and the README was empty, basically 18:16:10 roshi: it pretty much gathers tons of data in a way and place we can use to make decisions 18:16:32 what does pdc do? 18:16:45 smooge: collects and reports on data 18:16:49 ok, thanks 18:17:05 gathers info on things and products that are made of the things so you can tell what things of what versions are in what products 18:17:10 it can also be used to define what goes into artifacts and compsoes 18:17:20 composes 18:17:40 so the theory is that we could tell if foo changes that affects products x y z 18:17:41 fwiw, it doesn't actually do the collection/gathering of that data (afaik). we're going to have to instrument our releng tools to feed it that information. 18:17:58 threebean: the compose process will submit the data 18:17:59 so, it just keeps that data and provides an API for it.. and API that we'll then query from other tools to automate the world. 18:18:03 so integrate with fedmsg and call it a day? 18:18:09 roshi: indeed ;) 18:18:14 :p 18:18:20 no 18:18:33 basically :) 18:18:42 :shipit: 18:19:18 anyhow... anyone with tickets they would like to discuss? 18:19:45 or any other discussion items? 18:19:59 I really need to line up some folks to talk about some applications. ;) Anyone game for next week? 18:20:16 maybe kushal could do autocloud? :p 18:20:22 +1 18:20:26 * threebean cannot volunteer him though 18:20:31 threebean, I can 18:20:37 nirik, but where? 18:20:55 nirik, more important when? :) 18:21:05 all folks or sysadmins? 18:21:21 i can do one on taskotron and where we're going from an infra perspective 18:21:23 kushal: next week, this meeting, you discuss autocloud and how it's setup and waht it does and how people can help you with it. 18:21:39 nirik, Okay, will do that. 18:21:49 cool. and then week after tflink for taskotron? ;) 18:21:53 nirik, put an action item on me :) 18:21:58 * tflink will be on pto then 18:22:17 other ideas for future weeks. 1) One of us could research PDC and give the group a tour around its features and capabilities. 2) maybe pingou and I could give a talk on fedora-packages and report on our refactoring work in a few weeks? 18:22:17 tflink: oh, hum. will you be around next week? could do it then and kushal can take the week after? 18:22:44 sigul? 18:22:45 nirik, i am okay 18:23:01 dgilmore: we did that one already 18:23:01 i think so, let me doublecheck 18:23:04 i can do it later, too 18:23:08 pingou: okay 18:23:15 well, whatever time works for folks... 18:23:21 might be more interesting to do it that way, too - i should have more bits in infra ansible then 18:23:26 yeah I did sigul a long time ago, we could do it again tho. :) 18:24:04 threebean: side note, we should schedule a meeting with SmootherFrOgZ on fas3... and come up with a definite timeline/plan. 18:24:22 oh jeez. yeah, that keeps slipping. 18:25:05 * nyazdani hears there be sigul discussion 18:25:12 nyazdani: we're brainstorming ideas for "talks" to be given in the infra meeting where someone goes into some depth about how a particular app or service is designed. 18:25:22 and sigul was mentioned as an option. 18:25:50 all good ideas. ;) 18:25:56 tflink: so when is good for you? 18:26:12 either next week or the 29th 18:26:22 cool. i myself wouldn't claim to be nearly knowledgeable enough to do that, but if mitr were available, i would love to hear what he has to say 18:26:32 cool, cool. 18:27:18 tflink: how about next week and kushal can take the next one? 18:27:24 works for me 18:27:25 and then we can go from there. ;) 18:27:40 nyazdani: have you heard anything from him of late? 18:28:07 nope, but i've also been slammed with classes starting. i'll have time to get back into things this weekend 18:28:51 cool. Ping me or dgilmore if you need any help with sigul (at least any help we can provide... ) 18:28:56 #topic Open Floor 18:29:04 will do, thanks :) 18:29:21 anyone have any items for open floor? things we should discuss? Favorate superhero villans? 18:29:34 * roshi has nothing 18:29:40 the joker is always a safe bet 18:29:44 my new favorite is the guy from Ex Machina.. 18:29:55 How about the guy from Saw? 18:30:10 lex luthor? 18:30:16 Carnage 18:30:38 from spiderman 18:30:48 perl? 18:30:50 * pingou runs 18:31:01 ^^ DING - WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER 18:31:01 ha 18:31:09 * nyazdani high-fives pingou 18:31:19 threebean, Ex machina crazy movie 18:31:27 nyazdani: only problem is that pingou ran away :) 18:31:31 * pingou _ó/\o_ nyazdani 18:31:56 ok, if nothing else, will close in a few... hopefully we will have a more focused meeting next week. ;) 18:31:57 fhackdroid: definitely :) 18:32:30 i was in a state of shock after watching that movie :P 18:32:44 * roshi still hasn't seen it 18:32:44 ditto 18:32:46 worth it? 18:32:49 * nirik has not either 18:32:56 blew my mind 18:34:06 ok, thanks for coming everyone. ;) Do continue over in #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc and #fedora-apps. ;) 18:34:08 #endmeeting