21:00:05 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:00:10 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
21:00:14 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:15 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:53 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
21:00:54 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
21:02:18 <cydrobolt> hello
21:02:19 <cydrobolt> .hello cydrobolt
21:02:20 <zodbot> cydrobolt: cydrobolt 'Chaoyi Zha' <summermontreal@gmail.com>
21:02:25 <jbrooks> .hello jasonbrooks
21:02:26 <zodbot> jbrooks: jasonbrooks 'Jason Brooks' <JBROOKS@REDHAT.COM>
21:02:48 * stickster waves and waits one more minute for anyone else
21:03:04 * FranciscoD_ is here, but with nothing much to contribute :(
21:03:14 <FranciscoD_> .hello ankursinha
21:03:15 <zodbot> FranciscoD_: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
21:03:47 <FranciscoD_> I'll sit in a corner and observe :)
21:03:55 <stickster> #chair jflory7 jbrooks FranciscoD_
21:03:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD_ jbrooks jflory7 stickster
21:04:28 <ryanlerch> .hello
21:04:28 <zodbot> ryanlerch: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
21:04:41 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:04:42 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:04:49 <stickster> #topic Last week's publishing
21:04:52 * ryanlerch is here
21:04:53 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch
21:04:53 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD_ jbrooks jflory7 ryanlerch stickster
21:04:55 <stickster> o/
21:05:14 <stickster> So we had four articles thus far this week, pretty respectable
21:05:33 <stickster> Ryan, do you want to do a summary? We'll give you until :10 :-)
21:05:57 <ryanlerch> yes!
21:06:06 <ryanlerch> this week we had the zanata post,
21:06:11 <ryanlerch> the pelican post
21:06:25 <ryanlerch> a news story about the world without linux cideos
21:06:34 <ryanlerch> and matts 5tftw
21:06:50 <ryanlerch> gimme one sec, will pull some stats
21:06:58 <stickster> Oh, and the Flock 2015 "wrapper" post
21:08:52 <ryanlerch> pelican post -- 1324 hits
21:09:05 <stickster> :-( a bit disappointing
21:09:07 <ryanlerch> world without linux 1555 hits
21:09:52 <ryanlerch> zanata 2542 hits
21:09:55 <stickster> Nice!
21:10:15 <stickster> But at least in terms of weekly... it looks like we're trending for an average non-tentpole week
21:10:21 <ryanlerch> flock 567
21:10:35 <stickster> I'm guessing ~30-35K hits total
21:10:36 <ryanlerch> yeah -- looking pretty good tbh
21:10:47 <ryanlerch> yeah, the zanata post did pretty well
21:10:54 <stickster> More global audience?
21:11:09 <ryanlerch> in the end i think it was becuase it had a catchy title
21:11:12 <stickster> We should keep that in mind for some future targeted articles
21:11:13 <ryanlerch> :)
21:11:38 <stickster> OK, let's get crackin'...
21:11:41 <stickster> #topic Pitch votes
21:11:42 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&orderby=date&order=asc
21:11:47 <ryanlerch> matts 5tftw has around 500 hits sofar
21:12:54 <stickster> Before we cover the pitches -- since many of them are the systemd series, I think we need to firm up the plan for when part 1/intro hits the magazine
21:13:27 <ryanlerch> yeah, it would be nice to have them come out weeklyish
21:13:29 <ryanlerch> IMHO
21:13:48 <ryanlerch> jflory7: what do you think?
21:14:20 <ryanlerch> oh hi jbrooks! welcome -- /me missed the rollcall :)
21:14:30 <jbrooks> ryanlerch, hi
21:14:48 <stickster> ryanlerch: When do we want to commit to the first one? That will sort of drive deadlines for the other parts.
21:14:48 <jflory7> I think a weekly basis will be good - if there's ever one article that is shorter than the others, we could stack two in a week to keep the interest, but otherwise I think weekly is the best way to go.
21:15:09 <stickster> weekly makes sense to me too
21:15:40 <ryanlerch> so we might want to get 2 in the bank before we start posting?
21:16:03 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yeah, at least
21:16:09 <ryanlerch> that will give us some give for getting them ready, for tech review and all that
21:16:27 <stickster> We have someone who's worked on part 2 already -- is that Bryan from the list?
21:16:38 <jflory7> Yes, he has 2-3.
21:16:47 <jflory7> Last I recall.
21:17:12 <stickster> And I think we also need to get ryanlerch's new theme stuff up on the site... ryanlerch, you should describe that here for minutes
21:17:35 <stickster> #agreed weekly cadence for systemd makes sense... lots of these are in pitch status right now, depends on first article date
21:18:07 <ryanlerch> croberts: is getting it into our stage instance at the moment, but the theme changes are basically to have a list of all the articles in the theme in the right sidebar of a post
21:18:23 <croberts> ryanlerch: stickster i should have them done tonight
21:18:36 <croberts> well the new theme on the stg instance
21:18:37 <stickster> awesome croberts !
21:18:45 <ryanlerch> https://fedoramagazine-rlerch.rhcloud.com/2015/10/09/systemd-article-1/
21:19:15 <stickster> croberts: Did you also see my notes on the updates? I was worried about XSS so I did a double-paranoid backup and then updated the site last week
21:19:29 <ryanlerch> to add a post to a series, there will be a box in the edit post page to add the field to mark it as beloning to a certain series
21:19:30 <stickster> I don't like doing that before staging but it really needed to be done
21:19:53 <ryanlerch> to add a new series, there will be a item in the dashboard Posts > Post Series
21:19:54 <croberts> stickster: yep saw that, ill make sure stg is always up and running where we can test this before hand
21:20:02 <ryanlerch> where you can view the sereieses
21:20:05 <croberts> wont happen again
21:20:12 <stickster> croberts: Do we have similar creds to get into staging to test there? Like, ryan or I could help with that?
21:20:36 <croberts> stickster ryanlerch can you send me your pub ssh key and ill add it to the box and email you both the info
21:20:42 <stickster> croberts: Cool, will do
21:20:55 <ryanlerch> croberts: what is the URL of the stage again?
21:21:49 <stickster> That series theme is so slick
21:21:53 <jflory7> This will definitely make it easier to make series in the future too - should help break bigger things down into smaller pieces for the Mag.
21:22:16 <croberts> ryanlerch: stg.fedoramagazine.org
21:22:21 <croberts> its having issues with openid currently
21:22:26 <croberts> but ill send you guys a local account
21:22:30 <croberts> until i get it resolved
21:22:47 <croberts> its stg so its fine if it breaks its snapshotted each week
21:22:52 <ryanlerch> it's kind of set up more for sequential series like this systemd one, rather than something like mattdm 's 5tftw though
21:22:56 <stickster> jflory7: Exactly.  My hope is that we will be able to judge the appeal of a series from this instance, and then based on what we learn, we could launch another series late this year or early next
21:23:32 <ryanlerch> yeah, and this kind of content has a better staying power on the googlesearch than other newsy posts too
21:23:44 <stickster> croberts: I feel pretty competent at backup/restore for both the app and the db, so hopefully that wouldn't block us
21:23:53 <jflory7> That would definitely be awesome.
21:24:40 <croberts> stickster: the only thing really that is locked down on stg is ssh access which you both will have as far as wordpress goes it can break since its for us to test plugins/themes
21:24:44 <stickster> I've had very good luck with the majority of poular WP plugins these days... breakage is quite rare unless mixing plugins that are poorly written
21:25:23 <stickster> sure thing... what I meant was, I tend to do a full WP file backup, and a DB dump beforehand, so the worst that happens is just reloading that stuff back in if something breaks
21:25:24 <croberts> stickster: ryanlerch my flight is about to board so i need to leave the meeting early but send me your ssh keys and ill get it added and emails sent out tonight. going to send them from my redhat account since im changing email hosts
21:25:25 <ryanlerch> yeah, that is why i wanted to test my theme changes -- :) -- i wrote the code
21:25:33 <stickster> thanks croberts! I sent you a pubkey
21:26:02 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'm sure your code is better than some of the sketch stuff I've tried over the years... I've been on WP for almost 10 years
21:26:49 <stickster> OK, back to the pitch stuff... there is really only one pitch *vote* to do, but first we need to assign up a few more systemd articles
21:27:07 <stickster> Bryan has part 2 + 3, we still need to establish the *date* for the first one to hit "the stands":
21:27:27 <jflory7> + cydrobolt wanted to do 7 or 8, if I recall?
21:27:36 <cydrobolt> jflory7, I think 5 I said
21:27:54 <jflory7> 5, I was almost on the mark :P
21:28:01 <cydrobolt> haha
21:28:45 * stickster notes our numbers are 1 off now, since part 0 became part 1... cydrobolt, was that the one on converting sysvinit scripts?
21:28:53 <cydrobolt> ah
21:29:06 <cydrobolt> no, the one about writing services I think?
21:29:25 <cydrobolt> systemd service scripts iirc
21:29:44 <stickster> cydrobolt: OK, that's part 7 right now
21:29:52 <stickster> cydrobolt: I'm labeling these to make them easier to find, as we speak :-)
21:29:55 <jflory7> I think if the second one could finished by the beginning of next week, I would think launching the first one in the middle of the week next week might be a good start. I think being at *least* one week ahead or greater on all of the articles should be the intended goal.
21:29:55 <cydrobolt> ah, yup, jflory7 you were right them
21:29:56 <cydrobolt> :)
21:29:59 <cydrobolt> then*
21:30:00 <jflory7> Woo!
21:30:20 <stickster> :-)
21:30:32 <jbrooks> Where's the list of topics -- I only see 6 in the ml message
21:30:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: I did some editing on your part 1, had you a chance to review and get it ready?
21:30:53 <stickster> jbrooks: those are now effectively #2 - #7
21:31:01 <jbrooks> got it
21:31:21 <ryanlerch> stickster: yes it looks great -- might just add a bit about systemctl status ...
21:31:28 <stickster> Back to the question on the floor...
21:31:31 <ryanlerch> to the part about starting services
21:31:44 <stickster> #info When will we kick off the series by publishing the first article?
21:31:45 <ryanlerch> also, was thinking might try to add some diagrams too
21:32:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: That wouldn't be a bad idea... it's kind of text heavy and not very pretty
21:32:29 <stickster> I mean, we're talking about a pretty heavy subject, so it's no surprise :-)
21:32:43 <ryanlerch> :)
21:32:44 <stickster> a diagram would really help break it up and make the concept easier to swallow
21:33:51 <jflory7> So it seems #1 is ready, #2 seems almost polished and ready, #3 has a writer (bstinson?). I think kicking it off mid-next week would be good.
21:34:32 <ryanlerch> we also need to make sure we change the authors to be the authors -- cant have stickster taking the creadit ;)
21:34:39 <stickster> for sure
21:35:16 <stickster> ryanlerch: We should set a date for systemd articles... I would propose Wed be the regular "systemd day"
21:35:55 <jflory7> stickster++
21:35:55 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for pfrields changed to 13 (for the f22 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:35:57 <stickster> jflory7: I think I just repeated you, sorry
21:36:04 <stickster> Oh yeah?!? jflory7++
21:36:06 <jflory7> No worries. :)
21:36:11 <stickster> oh darn, I already gave you a cookie
21:36:14 <jflory7> hahah!
21:36:21 <ryanlerch> stickster++
21:36:31 <stickster> OK, we need to get to other pitches, there's a lot to do.
21:36:51 <stickster> ryanlerch: So are we agreed to publish part 1 next week? Wed 2015-Oct-21?
21:37:27 <jflory7> And maybe we should try to have a loose "deadline" for having most of the content for the next article ready by the same Wednesday
21:37:33 <jflory7> So we have time to polish + tech review
21:38:14 <stickster> Yeah, I like that idea jflory7.  So Bryan would need to have his draft of part 2 ready same date, draft of part 3 ready 2015-Oct-28, etc.
21:38:29 <jflory7> Exactly.
21:38:54 <jflory7> I think that will be good insurance to make sure we don't end up finishing this up last minute
21:39:03 <stickster> +10
21:39:21 * stickster waits for ryanlerch agreement so he doesn't rope him in without assent
21:40:18 <stickster> Hmm, something happened to ryanlerch
21:40:23 <stickster> We'll come back to that
21:40:27 <jflory7> Sounds good.
21:41:05 <stickster> There are three more pitches to cover
21:41:06 <ryanlerch> sounds good!
21:41:12 <stickster> ha, ok
21:41:33 <stickster> #agreed First systemd article to publish Wed 2015-Oct-21, this will determine weekly cadence for following drafts/publication
21:41:52 <stickster> #action stickster Mark up articles with appropriate deadlines so we can see them in the calendar each week now!
21:42:00 <stickster> OK, PITCH VOTE TIME
21:42:27 <stickster> That link again: http://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&orderby=date&order=asc
21:42:52 <jflory7> So two more systemd + ZNC articles?
21:43:33 <stickster> Let's start with jflory7
21:43:44 <stickster> #info Using ZNC
21:43:45 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10322&preview=true
21:43:59 <ryanlerch> +1 from me :)
21:44:06 <stickster> I'm a big +1 on this one. The last techie article we did got HUGE response
21:44:30 <stickster> Also, jflory7, your abstract is awesome. You're a model for everyone ;-)
21:44:34 <ryanlerch> jflory7: i also did a post in the past about bitlbee too, just FYI
21:44:59 <jflory7> stickster: I'm really glad to be helping, you all have been very welcoming :)
21:45:17 <jflory7> ryanlerch: I will pull that one up. I actually don't think I'm familiar with that!
21:45:28 <stickster> #agreed Let'
21:45:31 <stickster> #undo
21:45:31 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 21:45:28 : Let'
21:45:44 <ryanlerch> jflory7: its not really a bouncer, but somewhat related
21:46:22 <stickster> jflory7: How do you feel about doing a draft for next meeting? Did you have another article already in progress? I don't want to bury you here.
21:46:53 <ryanlerch> jflory7: in the conclusion, it might also be nice to note another way to get around this issue (the one i use) -- which is a terminal based irc client on a server, and sshing into it and using tmux
21:47:14 <ryanlerch> on second thought, that is rather confusing for an afternote :0
21:47:46 <jflory7> stickster: I have the OpenVPN one in progress right now. I was messing around with it in F23 since the wiki is a bit outdated, so I was playing around with it and trying to update both wiki + article. I might just do the ZNC one first because I could get that one done over the weekend
21:47:51 <stickster> jflory7: Oh sorry -- I didn't read the note at the top. Let's say 2 or 3 weeks out, your choice -- but let's figure the date out now :-)
21:48:05 <jflory7> Might need to poke around OpenVPN when I have some extra free time next week.
21:48:22 * stickster would like to get one of the techie articles up the week of Oct 26-30
21:48:39 <stickster> So I was thinking draft of one of them next Thu, then posted following Tue
21:49:03 <jflory7> ryanlerch: I see - probably agreed on the afternote part, but seems like something that might be able to be worked in.
21:49:13 <jflory7> stickster: I could definitely get the ZNC one done by then, 100% sure on that
21:49:30 <stickster> jflory7: So you want to make the OpenVPN one later then? That would work great IMHO
21:50:18 <jflory7> Yeah, I just need some more time to play around with it, had to change my approach to it a bit since I was mostly familiar with the access server. I can definitely get it done, just need to poke around a bit more.
21:50:51 <stickster> jflory7: Sounds fine -- I would recommend we push that out further, like maybe draft due 2015-Nov-05
21:51:10 <jflory7> I can do that.
21:51:12 <stickster> publish around 2015-Nov-10
21:51:17 * jflory7 nods
21:51:52 <jflory7> I will update the draft date for both ZNC / OpenVPN articles to reflect that. I think that works better for me too.
21:52:01 <stickster> Oh, I just thought of something -- this would have to publish Thu 2015-Oct-29, because 27th is release day for F23 :-)
21:52:27 <stickster> #action jflory7 Set due dates for articles: ZNC 2015-Oct-22, OpenVPN 2015-Nov-05
21:52:43 <stickster> #action jflory7 Move ZNC article to "draft" status too :-)
21:53:16 <stickster> #info systemd article on remote logging -- a cool feature!
21:53:22 <stickster> #link http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10349&preview=true
21:53:46 <stickster> This one is my proposal, and I wouldn't mind doing it either in the series or outside the series
21:54:13 <jflory7> I definitely think expanding on the series is a good idea - this would be the time to do it while we've got these series going.
21:54:15 <jflory7> stickster++
21:54:21 <stickster> I'll take the writing, but we need to set a draft due date and publication date if we can
21:55:13 <stickster> I *don't* think we need to slavishly stick to the numbers we have -- so if we are running out of people to contribute writing, or someone runs late or AWOL, we could slot this, or something else, in
21:55:45 <stickster> The first couple, though, I think make sense and I'm totally happy to see Bryan writing those, i.e. let's go with them -- and the above concern is not a problem unless it happens :-)
21:56:05 <jflory7> I think for the time being we could assume the best case and try to fit it into the existing schedule - if we have adjust things later if the current plan for the series changes, we can modify if/when it happens.
21:56:27 <stickster> ryanlerch: What are you up to? I see you in jflory7's article but am wondering if you saw the above and what you think
21:56:28 <ryanlerch> yeah i think it would be good to keep it part of the series
21:56:36 <stickster> ha, and of course there you are :-)
21:56:48 * stickster agrees
21:57:07 <stickster> OK, so we'll just fit this with the same scheme, and I'll plop it down at the end of the current series. Sound OK?
21:57:11 <ryanlerch> pacing the systemd content is probably a good idea :)
21:57:18 <jflory7> Agreed.
21:58:11 <stickster> agreed
21:58:28 <stickster> #agreed stickster will write this one, set the due date at the end of the series per normal
21:58:50 <stickster> #action stickster move to draft status along with any other assigned systemd articles
21:58:55 <stickster> So we have 2 minutes left
21:59:09 <stickster> REAL QUICK GUYS... need to have an idea of schedule next week
21:59:18 <stickster> We have systemd part 1 on Wed
21:59:21 <stickster> Tue? Thu?
21:59:37 <jflory7> Ohh!
21:59:38 <stickster> I can edit the G11n article for Tue
21:59:46 <jflory7> I wanted to poke about the SFD article and where that was
21:59:53 <ryanlerch> hmmm, yeah that one needs a bit of work the g11n one
22:00:11 <jflory7> I think it should get out ASAP while still relevant, wasn't sure what the current status was on that one - if necessary, I could help do anything to get out next week.
22:00:14 <ryanlerch> we can also keep an eye out for newsy posts too
22:00:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yes, I think I can handle it
22:00:29 <ryanlerch> i found the worldwithout linux one and pisted it
22:00:36 <ryanlerch> *posted
22:00:47 <ryanlerch> but more like that is good too
22:00:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: So you think G11n for Tuesday (already has a Test Days image ready I can use), newsy post for Thu?
22:01:03 <stickster> (as well as any other in-betweens we find)
22:01:24 <jflory7> (And also, just to make sure it makes the logs, the "Upgrading to F23 w/ DNF" article is finished and should be ready for deployment whenever, no rush to review but it is there http://fedoramagazine.org/?p=10271&preview=true )
22:01:26 <stickster> #topic COMBINED: Drafts/Review articles up for pub
22:01:31 <ryanlerch> was thinking i might update the code for terminals post with the hack font, and re-publish that too
22:01:32 <stickster> jflory7: That is AWESOME!
22:01:51 <stickster> ryanlerch: That's not a bad idea, recycling++
22:02:20 <stickster> #action stickster edit G11n article on Fri 2015-Oct-16 for publication Tue 2015-Oct-20
22:02:48 <stickster> #action ryanlerch to recycle code for terminals post, and/or locate a newsie article for Thu 2015-Oct-22
22:03:00 <stickster> I think that puts us in good shape for a 3-article week, then :-)
22:03:04 <stickster> Sound good?
22:03:05 <ryanlerch> :)
22:03:10 <stickster> 3+
22:03:17 <jflory7> Agreed!
22:03:26 <stickster> Thanks for coming everyone! Sorry, gotta jet
22:03:26 <ryanlerch> yeah, can everyone keep an eye out for news too? and post ideas to the list?
22:03:30 <stickster> ryanlerch: For sure
22:03:49 <stickster> #info ALL FOLKS: keep an eye on news feeds and post ideas to the list for quick "newsie" articles
22:03:50 <jflory7> Will keep my eye out, definitely.
22:04:03 <stickster> thanks all!
22:04:07 <stickster> #endmeeting