17:00:15 <mattdm> #startmeeting Council (2015-10-26)
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17:00:17 <mattdm> #meetingname council
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17:00:19 <mattdm> #chair mattdm jkurik jwb cwickert rdieter langdon sgallagh decause
17:00:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert decause jkurik jwb langdon mattdm rdieter sgallagh
17:00:21 <mattdm> #topic Introductions, Welcomes
17:00:29 <jkurik> .hello jkurik
17:00:30 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com>
17:00:34 <mattdm> .hello mattdm
17:00:37 <zodbot> mattdm: mattdm 'Matthew Miller' <mattdm@mattdm.org>
17:01:33 <mattdm> who all else we got?
17:02:00 <jwb> hello
17:02:06 <mattdm> hi josh!
17:02:25 <mattdm> decause cwickert langdon rdieter_work sgallagh ?
17:02:47 <decause> .hello decause
17:02:50 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
17:02:56 * mattdm waits a minute or two
17:04:28 <mattdm> #topic Today's Agenda (Open Floor!)
17:04:38 <mattdm> okay, so, this is an open floor day
17:05:27 * decause busts a move
17:05:34 <decause> #baddancefloorjokes
17:05:44 <mattdm> Just for the record - we do ticket review meetings once a month, to make sure things don't get dropped
17:05:59 <mattdm> but we don't do that every meeting, intentionally
17:06:13 * decause def broke protocol in the past :P
17:06:14 <mattdm> because that makes it too easy to fall into the habit of expecting the meeting to be the time to deal with those kinda things
17:06:30 <mattdm> but we keep the slot open so we can
17:06:32 * langdon lost track of time.. here now
17:06:32 <decause> mattdm++
17:06:32 <zodbot> decause: Karma for mattdm changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:06:34 <mattdm> a) keep up with urgent things
17:06:36 <langdon> .hello langdon
17:06:37 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
17:06:46 <mattdm> b) make sure we're staying in communication
17:06:52 <mattdm> c) I dunno what I was gonna say for c.
17:06:55 <mattdm> hi langdon!
17:07:02 <mattdm> I was just pontificating about open floor.
17:07:32 <mattdm> Anyway, right now, the main things I see are the f23 release notes, the emea fad thing, and maybe discussing marketing
17:07:48 <decause> I have outreachy updates too, just as FYI
17:07:49 <mattdm> what else do people have to talk about?
17:07:53 <mattdm> decause cool
17:08:15 <mattdm> ok, so
17:08:30 <mattdm> #info 1 release annoucment (mostly fyi)
17:08:36 <mattdm> #info 2 the EMEA fad ...
17:08:38 <langdon> are elections coming up soon? or is my brain just broken?
17:08:43 <mattdm> #info 3 outreachy
17:08:48 <mattdm> #info 4 elections
17:08:53 <jkurik> langdon: elections are comming ...
17:09:02 <mattdm> #info 5 and then we'll see how time is.
17:09:08 <mattdm> #topic Release Annoucement
17:09:17 <mattdm> This is more informational than anything
17:09:22 <mattdm> marketing is tracking this at
17:09:24 <mattdm> https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/203
17:09:28 <decause> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_release_announcement
17:09:35 <mattdm> helping is welcome.
17:09:40 <mattdm> that's really all I have to say :)
17:09:58 <jwb> yay
17:10:01 <decause> mattdm: I feel like we're doing better on this one than the beta, but def need to see it through :)
17:10:04 <decause> mailga++
17:10:04 <zodbot> decause: Karma for mailga changed to 3 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:10:13 <mattdm> jwb is ++ for brevity :)
17:10:20 <mattdm> #topic The EMEA fad proposal...
17:10:25 <mattdm> https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/45
17:10:38 <mattdm> I wanted to bring this up because it was initially tagged as urgent...
17:10:57 <mattdm> but.... there aren't many answers to questions from the people planning it in the ticket
17:11:04 <langdon> sorry.. i have a headache ... so.. asking for help with what exactly re: release notes?
17:11:14 * cwickert is sorry to be late
17:11:16 <mattdm> langdon: writing :)
17:11:23 <decause> langdon: yes, writing release notes
17:11:26 <langdon> mattdm, ahh should have guessed
17:11:34 <mattdm> cwickert hi!
17:11:42 <cwickert> !
17:11:50 <mattdm> cwickert you've helped organize the emea fad in the past, yeah?
17:12:00 <cwickert> mattdm: nope
17:12:06 <decause> #action decause reach out to Fedora Infra to get quick 1-2 liner about bodhi2 improvements
17:12:10 <mattdm> oh, okay :)
17:12:11 <cwickert> but I can say a word or two about it
17:12:17 <mattdm> please do, yes.
17:12:34 <cwickert> It's really scary how you/we all get things wrong here
17:13:01 <cwickert> most of the people who comment in this ticket have no clue what this FAD is about or what has happened in the past
17:13:14 <mattdm> cwickert yes, that is very very true.
17:13:16 <cwickert> and this makes me believe that we, as in the council, should not deal with this issue
17:13:39 <mattdm> cwickert: well, except, it's a request for a big chunk of money from the common pool
17:13:51 <cwickert> mattdm: as it has always been!
17:14:02 <cwickert> FADs are premiere events by defintion
17:14:20 <cwickert> thus the budget comes from the premiere events / main fedora budget and not the regional one
17:14:48 <cwickert> this FAD is probably the oldes FAD we have in Fedora, it is annually run since 2006
17:15:00 <cwickert> and the money had always been taken from the main budget
17:15:05 <cwickert> including the social event
17:15:15 <mattdm> well, and also then it is a council-level thing to do -- if there's history we should learn it
17:15:27 <cwickert> whether or not the social event needs to be that fancy is a different question though
17:15:52 <cwickert> but as a matter of fact, we already spent more for the social event IIRC
17:16:05 <cwickert> so much for the background
17:16:05 <jwb> i find that disappointing
17:16:16 <cwickert> jwb: how that?
17:17:04 <jwb> i have no problems with using money out of the common pool for FADs.  they are important.  it seems pretty fiscally irresponsible to be requesting such significant amounts for social events for FADs though
17:17:25 <jwb> and if we have spent more on social events for *FADs* in the past, i find that disappointing
17:18:07 <cwickert> in 2014 the social event had an approved budget of USD 600
17:18:13 <cwickert> which was approved be mattdm btw
17:18:36 <cwickert> while this may seem a lot, it is not necessarily
17:18:52 <decause> social events are def a crucial part of a multi-day event (you gotta unplug/recharge) but if they are the lion's share of the budget, then maybe we can find another way to support them?
17:18:58 <cwickert> it's basically giving pack something to the most active ambassadors of the reagion
17:19:12 <cwickert> decause: it's not really a lions share but 1/10
17:19:29 <decause> def not lion's share then :P
17:19:40 <cwickert> in 2014, the total budget for this FAD was USD 600, see https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/249
17:19:44 <decause> I think we were getting the impression that we were spending more on Social Event than on the FAD itself
17:19:51 <cwickert> sorry, that was 2013
17:20:04 <cwickert> 2014 budget is at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/424
17:20:21 <cwickert> and for the record, the 2013 budget was USD 5200
17:20:44 <cwickert> anyway
17:21:03 <cwickert> are we done with the past or general questions about this FAD?
17:21:04 <langdon> cwickert, sorry.. so was the 2013 = $600 or $5200?
17:21:47 <jwb> the emea-swag-tracking ticket gives a permissions error
17:21:54 <cwickert> langdon: 2014 was USD 6000, including 600 for the social event and 2400 for travel of attendees
17:22:25 <cwickert> langdon: and in 2013 the budget was 5200 including 2500 for travel. the social event that year was probably a bit cheaper
17:22:29 <langdon> cwickert, ahh.. typo in lines above i suppose.. gotcha .. thanks for the clarification
17:23:49 <jwb> i'm also concerned that nobody on this ticket seems to know what they're doing, and that the one person that seems to be the primary organizer (joerg) is not involved at all
17:23:53 <cwickert> jwb: that is correct, only people in CC can see the tickets as they might contain sensitive information like bank acconut details
17:24:09 <cwickert> jwb: that is indeed a valid concern, I do share it
17:24:19 <jwb> cwickert: understandable, yet unfortunate for a supporting link :)
17:25:03 <mattdm> (in fact there are bank account details in files attached to that ticket)
17:25:33 <cwickert> so, let's move on from the general problems to this specific FAD
17:25:41 <jwb> sure
17:25:51 <cwickert> my problem on with this year's FAD is: 1) we are very late 2) the deadline to request the budget is overdue and we have to take what we get anyway
17:26:07 <cwickert> this kind of renders one of the main purposes of the FAD moot
17:26:12 <langdon> i believe it was requested in https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/45#comment:4 that the funding request be outlined in the wiki page.. but I don't think that has been done
17:26:23 <cwickert> langdon: unfortunately not
17:27:16 <cwickert> in the past, we made a list of events, event owners and number of attendees and then estimated how much money we need or want to spend on an event
17:27:47 <cwickert> but this year, we have no say in the budget anyway. I'm sure Ruth will do whatever is possible to get the same amount of money again
17:27:58 <cwickert> but there is not much use to make a budget request
17:28:04 <cwickert> and the third problem
17:28:20 <cwickert> I don't see the typical suspects there but mostly new ambassadors
17:28:46 <cwickert> I'm not sure if they are able to get the things done
17:28:52 <mattdm> new ambassadors isn't necessarily a _problem_, as long as we have continuity and experience too
17:29:07 <cwickert> we need some pf the experienced ambassadors at the FAD
17:29:11 <cwickert> but it seems they cannot make it
17:29:16 <cwickert> or don't want to make it
17:29:31 <cwickert> for some reason, people don't seem to like Budapest
17:29:33 <mattdm> "don't want" seems particularly concerning
17:29:38 <jwb> yes
17:29:44 <cwickert> in the past, we were somewhere in the middle of nowhere
17:29:51 <cwickert> no distractions = get work done
17:30:00 <jwb> as is mostly expected for a FAD
17:30:03 <mattdm> is it the location, or the time, or a personal conflict, or something else?
17:30:05 <cwickert> right
17:30:41 <cwickert> mattdm: don't know, but at least one person asked me if I could do the FAD in Berlin and then he would be able/willing/whatever to attend
17:31:35 <cwickert> anyway, I don't have a problem with the budget or the social event. To me, this looks sane. It's just that I'm not convinced this FAD is a good idea at all
17:31:36 <langdon> so .. is the concern that it is in a city like budapest where the non-work temptations are high? or something else (berlin seems just as tempting ;) ) .. or do we just not know?
17:31:38 <cwickert> makes sense?
17:31:58 <cwickert> langdon: I don't know what the problem is, if it is hard to get there or so
17:32:10 <cwickert> but in the past, it was a strictly meritocratic thing
17:32:29 <cwickert> if you want to have a say in what is to happen next year in EMEA, you had to come to Rheinfelden
17:32:47 <langdon> cwickert, meritocratic = "most upvotes of fad proposal" in this case?
17:33:04 <cwickert> there was no bidding process whatsoever, GeroldKa just hosted the event you had to show up
17:33:27 <langdon> ahh... well.. that seems a little tough too ;)
17:33:42 <cwickert> maybe, but we always had the relevant people there
17:33:59 <mattdm> I'm still feeling like the social budget is a bit out of whack. cwickert, like you said, 600€ last year, and that was a meal (where people not only socialize but talk about Fedora)
17:34:00 <cwickert> where relevant means both active and experienced
17:34:30 <mattdm> this time, there's a 1400€ meal, plus separate social events
17:34:49 <cwickert> mattdm: yes, that was the meal only, and in fact we did not spend it but only USD 437
17:35:01 <cwickert> mattdm: so this year it is dinner plus laser thingy?
17:35:41 <mattdm> cwickert: yes, plus there was a day of sight-seeing
17:35:54 <mattdm> but I think that's been removed (I'm looking at the spreadsheet from the ticket now)
17:36:32 <mattdm> oh no, it's there, with lunch provided that day too. *shrug*
17:36:41 <cwickert> mattdm: ignore the sightseeing, it's free and only for those who are still around on Sunday afternoon. most are already on their way back.
17:37:21 <mattdm> I want to support the EMEA ambassadors in a) planning and b) working together as a group. So I'm generally in favor of having this _kind_ of FAD
17:37:22 <cwickert> ok, for the social event
17:37:45 <cwickert> it seems it is really 40 EUR for the dinner and 15 for laser thingy, makes 55 EUR per person
17:37:45 <mattdm> But I want to be able to say with a straight face that this money all went to benefit Fedora
17:37:50 <cwickert> this is really over the top
17:38:04 <mattdm> I want to be able to demonstrate the direct, positive impact
17:38:14 <mattdm> (Which is the only way we'll be able to ask for _more_, ever.)
17:38:17 <langdon> cwickert, does that mean this https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/45#comment:9 is incorrect?
17:38:19 <mattdm> And I want to be fair to the other regions as well.
17:39:05 <cwickert> langdon: the google docs sheet was updated, the dinner is now 40 EUR instead of 50. otherwise the numbers are correct
17:39:12 <cwickert> and I think that's just too much
17:39:26 <cwickert> frankly speaking I don't think we need a fancy social event
17:39:42 <cwickert> just a dinner and some beers and people will start to socialize anyway :)
17:39:48 <mattdm> cwickert++
17:39:48 <zodbot> mattdm: Karma for cwickert changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:39:59 <jwb> have to step away for a second
17:40:16 <mattdm> a dinner and a few beers can approach 40€ pretty fast
17:40:27 <decause> agreed
17:40:43 <cwickert> mattdm: maybe, but I doubt we will have 28 participants there anyway
17:40:54 <cwickert> it will be more like 12-15 I guess
17:41:02 <mattdm> yeah, that's another concern. from the wiki, it looks like _seven_
17:41:11 <mattdm> wait, six
17:41:27 <jkurik> mattdm: 40€ per a dinner in eastern europe is for a first class restaurant in the center of a capital city
17:41:43 <cwickert> jkurik: right, just my thought
17:41:54 <mattdm> jkurik: and the beer is cheaper than water, right? :)
17:42:02 <jkurik> :) right
17:42:08 <cwickert> I guess the event owners want to make everything perfect and give you a good impression of Hungary
17:42:36 <mattdm> cwickert: yeah, and that's understandable.
17:42:51 <mattdm> but we are not the hungarian tourist board
17:42:58 <cwickert> (which might be necessary given that Hungary's reputation has suffered a lot recently for political reasons, but this is a completely different story)
17:43:24 <mattdm> cwickert thanks for filling in on some of the background and your thoughts...
17:43:29 <mattdm> What should we do _now_?
17:43:34 <cwickert> so, Ideas how to move on? I already started writing in the ticket, I can summarize my thoughts
17:43:53 <cwickert> mattdm: how about I get in touch with the event owners tomorrow?
17:43:53 <mattdm> cwickert: yes please
17:44:01 <mattdm> that sounds great
17:44:16 <cwickert> #action cwickert to get in touch with the event owners of FAD Budapest
17:44:44 <cwickert> ok, what exactly should we propose? cutting the budget for the social event? anything else?
17:45:00 <cwickert> I'm not really sure we need to have this FAD
17:45:19 <cwickert> or at least not hurry it given that the deadline in OSAS is passed
17:45:39 <mattdm> Yeah, I'm in favor of rescheduling/repurposing it
17:45:47 <langdon> well.. personally, this is why we need the budget meetings we discussed... for now, the q is, do we  have the budget? if so, let's approve it, after some revision on social events
17:46:27 <mattdm> I think it's still useful to plan for what to do with the budget even if the dollar amount is already allocated
17:46:28 <cwickert> langdon: frankly speaking I think this is a perfect example of why we should not do any budgeting yet.
17:46:30 <langdon> because isn't this a thing that has been happening for years? i am not sure new budget planning style should impact things people had/wanted to have planned
17:46:52 <mattdm> One option is to wait until the final numbers come back
17:47:12 <mattdm> which should be february
17:47:20 <mattdm> or hopefully sooner, but... well.
17:48:14 <decause> mattdm: assuming that we need to spend FY16 budget in FY16 though?
17:48:49 <mattdm> decause: we are in the middle of FY16 right now
17:48:53 * cwickert needs to leave in 10 minutes
17:49:05 * mattdm also has to leave
17:49:14 <decause> yeah, if we spend after Feb, doesn't that mean that FY16 dollars would need to have been spent already?
17:49:34 * decause is still new to budget, trying to learn the ways
17:50:02 <decause> Feb 28/29th is the end of FY, IIRC
17:50:08 <mattdm> decause: oh, yes. If we want to pay for this FAD in this fiscal year, it'll all have to be closed out by then.
17:50:26 <decause> good, ok, it works the way I thought it did :P
17:50:34 <mattdm> I think it's okay to do it before, just with the expectation of flat, and with a contingency for if it comes back worse
17:50:42 <decause> mattdm: agreed
17:50:45 <mattdm> But it also means that it's not urgent to have it right now.
17:50:47 <cwickert> mattdm: this brings me to another point: what about upfront payments?
17:51:03 <mattdm> cwickert As far as I know, that's basically impossible.
17:51:19 <decause> cwickert: yeah, I'm pretty sure mattdm is right on this
17:51:21 <mattdm> Although it may be possible for someone other than the ambassadors to do them.
17:51:42 <mattdm> that's in decause's court
17:51:45 <cwickert> mattdm, decause: I remember we discussed this in great length with Robyn, Leslie and Ruth and IIRC we found a solution
17:52:18 <cwickert> it involved a PO issued by somebody from Brno though
17:52:29 <decause> AFAIK, this is what the community cards are for
17:52:51 <mattdm> decause: this maybe exceeded those, or wasn't possible with card?
17:52:51 <cwickert> decause: which is not an option for Europe most of the time
17:53:17 <decause> mattdm: that would make sense
17:53:20 <mattdm> decause: can you check with Robyn, Leslie, and Ruth to find out the solution last time and if it is repeatable?
17:53:35 <cwickert> that would be awesome
17:53:36 <decause> I can check, but I would have an alternate strategy in place
17:53:49 <cwickert> because it has been a PITA for a long time
17:53:54 <decause> I need more details that "once upon a time, there was a thing we did that I heard about in IRC"
17:53:57 <mattdm> #action decause to check with Robyn, Leslie, and Ruth to find out the solution last time and if it is repeatable
17:54:04 * cwickert recalls times where RH owed him almost USD 4k
17:54:11 <mattdm> decause: robyn will know
17:54:12 <decause> specific dates/numbers/details are going to help me make the best case ;)
17:54:22 <mattdm> cwickert: if it makes you feel better, decause was in that same situation a few weeks ago
17:54:31 <decause> #itstrue
17:54:40 <cwickert> ok, I trust him to follow up on that then ;)
17:54:45 <decause> cwickert: I need details
17:54:57 <cwickert> decause: will look them up for you
17:55:00 <decause> if you can give me as much of a complete picture as possible, I can make the best case
17:55:23 <decause> #action cwickert give decause details on EMEA FAD PO process from past events
17:55:24 * langdon got a bit distracted by release processes..
17:55:42 <mattdm> okay, so, we have just a few more minutes -- what else do we need for this to go forward?
17:55:51 * decause has quick outreachy updates
17:56:01 <decause> #topic Outreachy
17:56:15 <decause> 1) Our current round of applicants is *strong*
17:56:34 <decause> our first contributions started coming in at the end of last week
17:56:52 <decause> the application period ends this week
17:56:57 <mattdm> decause nice!
17:57:03 <mattdm> what's the deadline?
17:57:09 * decause checks wiki
17:57:20 <decause> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outreachy/2015
17:57:28 <decause> Nov 2nd
17:57:43 <decause> #info Outreachy Application Deadline is 11/02
17:58:04 <decause> here are a few highlights from the commops applicant, bee2502:
17:58:06 <mattdm> decause: we should make some noise about that
17:58:18 <langdon> mattdm, sorry.. i thought your q was about closing #45.. is there anything else we need to do? aside from AI above?
17:58:45 <decause> mattdm: https://networksfordata.wordpress.com/2015/10/24/fedora-a-peek-into-irc-meetings-using-meetbot-data/
17:59:00 <decause> mattdm: this helps us with some of our "human metrics" questions for January, btw
17:59:20 <decause> we're out of time, there
17:59:21 <decause> last bit
17:59:24 <mattdm> langdon: it was, but decause wanted to get this in :)
17:59:52 <decause> 2) OSAS is changing how we budget for Outreachy interns. It used to be a general fund, but is now gettin project specific.
18:00:15 <decause> I have requested that Fedora get 2 outreachy slots per cycle (one technical, one non-technical)
18:00:26 <decause> I don't know if this is going to fly or not, but that is what I've asked for
18:00:47 <decause> bluesky, we'd get an outreachy intern for EACH subproject, EACH cycle, but that is, well, bluesky ;)
18:00:56 <mattdm> decause: would that take over the one that engineering is funding?
18:01:33 <decause> mattdm: I'm asking for 2 from us, and if engineering can fund more great.
18:01:58 <decause> mattdm: ideally, engineering would continue to contribute and build their new contibutor pipeline too :)
18:02:28 <mattdm> decause: cool
18:02:48 <decause> ok, that is the update from me, other than it is looking good in Outreachy Land for Fedora :)
18:02:53 <mattdm> okay, so jkurik you still around to talk about elections?
18:03:05 <jkurik> #topic Elections
18:03:06 <jkurik> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-23/f-23-elections.html
18:03:08 <jkurik> ^^^ Schedule for elections after F23
18:03:09 <jkurik> #link https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/44
18:03:09 <mattdm> real fast? :)
18:03:11 <jkurik> ^^^ Elections will be tracked in a Council's tracking system
18:03:12 <jkurik> #link http://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/
18:03:14 <jkurik> ^^^ A new blog to be used to introduce candidates (instead of Fedora Magazin)
18:03:15 <jkurik> :)
18:03:22 <decause> jkurik: \o/
18:03:39 <decause> #action decause request account on community.fp.o
18:03:53 <mattdm> cool. what groups are having elections?
18:04:02 <mattdm> decause communityblog.fpo
18:04:12 <decause> mattdm: doh, yep
18:04:16 * mattdm needs to ask that to be renamed to commblog.fpo, maybe with an alias
18:04:24 <langdon> jkurik, i definitely think we still need a fed-mag (and maybe opensource.com) article announcing the elections and where the intros will be
18:04:26 * decause likes commblog
18:05:02 <jkurik> mattdm:  Council, FESCo, Env&Stacks ... possible others
18:05:39 <mattdm> okay, cool.
18:05:39 <jkurik> langdon: yeah, we can do kind of announcement in the Fedora Magazine
18:06:05 <mattdm> I must go... if you all want to keep talking i'll let someone else endmeeting :)
18:06:44 <decause> jkurik: could you join #fedora-commops after this meeting, and give me a quick run down on the elections? Elections/VoterTurnout are a proposed area for commops team
18:06:55 <decause> mattdm: nod nod, gotchu
18:07:08 <decause> err, /me can handle that
18:07:08 <jkurik> decause: ok
18:07:16 <decause> jkurik: thanks much
18:07:48 <decause> any other biz?
18:08:24 <decause> langdon: I'll cc you on the Election Announcement thread that comes out
18:08:42 <langdon> decause, yay? ;)
18:08:56 <decause> #action decause help jkurik promote elections on blogs/sm channels
18:09:13 <decause> kk, we're 10 mins over
18:09:18 <decause> any last minute pressing biz?
18:09:36 <decause> and by biz, I mean official council business for Open Floor
18:09:43 <decause> #officiallyofficial
18:11:00 <decause> going once
18:11:02 <decause> going twice
18:11:05 <decause> going thrice
18:11:07 <decause> alright
18:11:13 <decause> thanks everyone for your time today
18:11:27 <decause> Good Luck on EMEA FAD loops, I'm hopeful we can figure it out for the region
18:11:35 <decause> #endmeeting