06:00:42 #startmeeting g11n 06:00:42 Meeting started Wed Nov 11 06:00:42 2015 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:42 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00:47 #meetingname g11n 06:00:47 The meeting name has been set to 'g11n' 06:00:52 #topic agenda and roll call 06:00:56 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-11-11 06:01:03 hi praiskup 06:01:08 hi 06:01:11 hi pravins 06:01:12 :) 06:01:15 hi mkim :) 06:01:18 hi ueno :) 06:01:26 hi all ;) 06:01:27 hi ueno-san 06:01:40 praiskup: hey !! :) 06:01:45 hi 06:02:03 #chair mkim ueno epico 06:02:03 Current chairs: epico mkim pravins ueno 06:02:07 hi epico :) 06:02:42 Its Diwali holiday in India today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali 06:03:00 So may be Parag and Sundeep will be away today. 06:03:17 while other joins lets get started 06:03:20 hi 06:03:24 hi juhp :) 06:03:27 #chair juhp 06:03:27 Current chairs: epico juhp mkim pravins ueno 06:03:56 hi 06:04:13 Lets me start with thanking you all for making your self available for G11N FAD in Tokyo last week 06:04:54 Its excellent time with you all both professionally as well as personnel :) 06:04:57 hi fujiwarat :) 06:04:59 #chair fujiwarat 06:05:00 Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mkim pravins ueno 06:05:46 I am very much confident now, to drive Fedora G11N activities faster with you all. 06:06:00 lets start with agenda. 06:06:07 #topic Upcoming schedule 06:06:14 #info 2016-01-12 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 06:06:14 #info not scheduled yet Side Tag Builds Deadline 06:06:14 #info not required Mass Rebuild 06:06:14 #info 2016-02-02 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25) 06:06:14 #info 2016-02-16 Alpha Freeze (*) 06:06:15 #info 2016-02-16 Software String Freeze 06:06:17 #info 2016-02-16 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) 06:06:19 #info 2016-02-16 Bodhi activation point 06:06:48 yes thanks for the great FAD event - it was very good and productive days we had 06:07:23 +1 06:07:28 juhp, +1 06:08:27 From schedule perspective i think good if we do most of stuff before New year vacation, from last experience i saw we loose some momentum during that time ;) 06:09:10 moving to next topic 06:09:15 #topic New topics 06:09:24 #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins) 06:09:24 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 06:10:16 hi 06:10:20 hi tagoh_ :) 06:10:23 #chair tagoh_ 06:10:23 Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mkim pravins tagoh_ ueno 06:11:20 1. Expense claims: Please start your expense claims soon. 06:11:44 2. Update your FAD report to your respective ticket. 06:12:01 Anything more? 06:12:45 I wrote one more blog on our second day 06:12:47 #link http://pravin-s.blogspot.in/2015/11/globalization-fad-2nd-day-report.html 06:13:50 i know i missed lots of things, hoping those will get covered in your personnel blog. 06:14:13 We should write at least one post to http://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/ 06:14:29 It can be brief but should mention achievements and future plans. 06:15:11 Lets collaborate on this?? 06:16:26 #action pravins to open shared document for creating post for Community blog of Fedora. 06:16:35 Dunno should it be for Fedora magazine 06:17:36 Any more queries on FAD? 06:18:03 nice blog post 06:18:16 thanks juhp :) 06:18:26 i think you opened up Google+ for adding event photos? 06:19:04 ah I guess we could collect some photos there 06:20:02 i think link is shared with all 06:22:13 moving to next topic 06:22:18 #info #57: Fedora 24 change planing (pravins) 06:22:19 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57 06:22:28 I think here we can spend more time today 06:22:56 We have already done planning in FAD. Thanks to juhp for insisting on it. :) 06:23:11 #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaDELi4js/edit#heading=h.3gzh0ubdx8oy 06:24:23 Will go only through i18n stuff today. 06:24:38 #idea String Breakage monitoring (Jens, Akira) 06:24:54 tagoh_: juhp any plan for this? 06:25:21 I think we should do something definitely 06:25:40 ideally it needs some infra though 06:25:50 aha 06:25:58 will it be change proposal? 06:26:13 maybe need to consider scope - dunno if we can/should track all packages 06:26:27 how about creating wiki with proposal? 06:26:40 Then we can involve other stakeholders as well 06:26:43 yeah Change proposal is probably a good idea 06:26:56 yeah, solve both things Wiki with Change proposal :) 06:27:07 can that include things not directly in the distro? 06:27:10 +1 06:27:33 or we could create a pilot script to watch packages and propose it once confirmed it works? 06:28:39 sure 06:29:13 yes 06:29:50 It will be really interesting script. 06:29:55 * pravins excited. 06:30:34 #idea Merge IBus fbterm into ibus core (Fujiwara) 06:30:49 fujiwarat: it looks like change proposal, would you like to report one? 06:31:26 fujiwarat, I was wondering though - why not just fork ibus-fbterm? 06:31:40 does it really have to be in core? 06:35:23 good point 06:35:57 juhp: ibus-fbterm is not maintained. its still code.google.com. 06:37:05 fujiwarat, okay - so why not import it to github as a new project :) 06:38:12 juhp: Is it allowed? Also I"m not sure how the versions are managed in that case. 06:38:13 it only issue if Google not maintaining it, forking is best option :) 06:38:41 fujiwarat, have you contacted the author? 06:39:01 juhp: Of course no response. 06:39:05 I see 06:39:25 fujiwarat, then I don't see problem to fork to github and bump version? 06:39:46 what is license? 06:39:48 just wondering/don't see that unmaintained = needs to be merged into core :) 06:40:08 but if there is good reason to merge.... I guess many ibus users don't need fbterm support though 06:40:52 License : GPLv3 06:40:59 We can fork, no issues. 06:41:41 If we are forking will it be Change proposal? dont think so. 06:41:57 juhp: That mean the multiple versions can exist by distro? 06:42:42 fujiwarat, hm can't your newer version replace the older releases? 06:43:08 I am not really seeing the problem, sorry 06:43:45 or you mean other distro may fork too? 06:43:45 No response means I don't become the maintainers. Yeah, I just mind the version management. 06:43:53 hmm 06:44:13 I was hoping/assuming your maintained version would be considered new upstream 06:44:33 couldn't it be in the github ibus org? 06:44:47 yeah, we can even update existing Fedora package with your upstream fork. 06:45:08 pravins, of course 06:45:41 zodbot whoowns fbterm 06:45:41 fujiwarat: lbazan 06:45:57 fujiwarat, anyway that alone still doesn't seem a good reason to merge into core 06:46:39 fujiwarat, or maybe you could contact the distro maintainers? 06:46:53 to avoid availability of the different versions among distros, you could announce ibus-fbterm is forked at ibus list or so. that said, if it is available as a sort of plugins in ibus, it doesn't hurt so much even if users doesn't want to use I suppose. 06:47:06 true 06:48:44 IMHO we need good reason to merge it in ibus. 06:49:02 I'm including both fbterm and ibus-fbterm so not sure the announce at ibus list is enough. 06:49:03 may be more easy to maintain, chance to get more contributors.. 06:49:29 more sync with ibus development cycle..etc. 06:50:08 pravins: right 06:51:39 so what you all think, should we go ahead with proposal? 06:52:52 * pravins afraid we will not able to discuss all ideas in today meeting. 06:53:05 though how often fbterm is used these days, if it is well considered to avoid extra dependencies for users who don't need, I don't mind either honestly. 06:53:06 may be move to next topic after this one. 06:54:31 sure 06:55:04 fujiwarat: i think good to drop email on i18n list and discuss this to list itself. 06:55:10 good chance to get more views 06:55:28 fujiwarat, I'm just trying to understand "why" :-) 06:55:56 so fbterm will also be merged? 06:56:29 fbterm is Linux only? 06:56:41 juhp: The main reason is the version management and lots of internal patches. 06:56:47 I see 06:56:58 juhp: Yes, linux only. 06:57:33 i think good to drop email on i18n list with open option and based on discussion decide in next meeting. 06:57:37 fujiwarat, would fbterm become a build option then? 06:57:50 aha 06:57:57 pravins, let's move on then 06:58:18 juhp: What do you mean in the build option? 06:58:59 fujiwarat, I mean if it will be built optionally? 06:59:00 mean sub-package etc.. 06:59:47 juhp: Ah, you mean ibus configure option. Yes, it's option and enabled by default. 06:59:52 hm 07:00:01 fujiwarat, why do you want to merge fbterm? 07:00:11 epico, right 07:00:31 fujiwarat, fork both is an option? 07:01:25 or combine fbterm and ibus-fbterm into one? 07:01:43 or make ibus-fbterm2 ? 07:02:15 or fbterm2 ? 07:03:34 sorry I probably should have asked this question at the FAD - maybe I was tired on the last day... 07:03:40 #idea fork ibus-fbterm 07:03:52 #idea fork ibus-fbterm and fbterm into one package. 07:04:24 fujiwarat, is it already merged upstream? 07:04:28 May fbterm-gobject and ibus-fbterm-gobject is one of the options. 07:04:34 aha 07:05:01 fbterm-gobject and ibus-fbterm2 ? :) 07:05:21 well anyway the naming is less of an issue 07:06:47 lets discuss more in next meeting or mailing list. 07:06:55 Will decide in next meeting. 07:07:05 good to move ahead, already over meeting time. 07:07:21 #info #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins) 07:07:21 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57 07:07:36 This we discussed in Fedora 23 but idea came up very late cycle 07:07:52 basically we should list down all bugs we are planning/willing to fix in Fedora 24. 07:08:22 Bug must be listed with easy fix, medium and difficult. 07:08:41 We will publish this list on Wiki and mailing list. 07:09:03 and whenever we get some new contributor will to participate, we can ask him to go through it. 07:09:21 Its idea for new contributor to fix something and get that working in next release. 07:09:32 I am sure, everyone of us must be having few issues pending. 07:09:38 How do you find this idea? 07:11:27 Its not necessary/compulsory to fix all the bugs we listed down. But at least good to have work/plan for F24. 07:11:42 One more need behind this is, we can push all improvement through Fedora change proposals. 07:11:48 good to get bit bigger picture. 07:12:04 may be elaborate bit more in next meeting. 07:12:18 meanwhile requesting you to find out fews bugs plans for F24 :) 07:14:23 moving to next one 07:14:24 #topic New tasks 07:14:24 #info #56: Fedora 21 EOL Bugs traiging (pravins) 07:14:24 #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/56 07:14:41 You might have already received this notification. 07:16:02 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&f1=OP&f2=assigned_to&f3=cc&f4=reporter&f5=keywords&f6=CP&j1=OR&list_id=4143489&o2=substring&o3=substring&o4=substring&o5=substring&product=Fedora&query_format=advanced&v2=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&v3=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&v4=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&v5=i18n&version=21 07:17:40 please go through this and move bugs appropriately. 07:17:54 and here comes the last topic :) 07:17:56 #topic Open Floor 07:18:16 did we missed any important topic today? 07:18:48 I will not available next week for G11N focused on L10N and Zanata meeting 07:18:55 would anyone like to host it? 07:19:17 We have number of important topics 07:20:46 #info pravins not available for next week G11N meeting. Need someone to host it. 07:21:09 if nothing else, lets close meeting in two minutes 07:22:42 Thanks everyone for meeting. 07:22:43 #endmeeting