04:00:05 #startmeeting APAC 2015-11-21 04:00:05 Meeting started Sat Nov 21 04:00:05 2015 UTC. The chair is tuanta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'apac_2015-11-21' 04:00:13 #topic Roll call 04:00:17 .fas tuanta 04:00:17 tuanta: tuanta 'Truong Anh Tuan' 04:00:37 hi 04:00:42 meeting? 04:01:15 yes, kaio 04:01:22 #chair kaio 04:01:22 Current chairs: kaio tuanta 04:01:35 oic here 04:01:44 #fasinfo kaio 04:01:52 .fasinfo 04:01:52 kaio: (fasinfo ) -- Return information on a Fedora Account System username. 04:02:01 .fasinfo kaio 04:02:02 kaio: User: kaio, Name: Caius Chance (かいお), email: me@kaio.net, Creation: 2008-09-10, IRC Nick: kaio, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, GPG key ID: AC46CB49, Status: active 04:02:04 .. 04:02:05 kaio: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done fedorabugs hgflies packager cla_redhat l10n-commits @packager-zh cvsl10n freemedia +ambassadors 04:02:08 it's a long time, kaio :) 04:02:16 yeah long like another life 04:02:19 .fas gnokii 04:02:20 gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 04:02:28 #chair gnokii 04:02:28 Current chairs: gnokii kaio tuanta 04:02:56 .fas harishpillay 04:02:57 harish: harishpillay 'Harish Pillay' 04:03:17 #info Topic: F23 release parties 04:03:26 #info Topic: F23 media 04:03:37 #info Topic: FAD Singapore 2015 04:03:44 #chair harish 04:03:44 Current chairs: gnokii harish kaio tuanta 04:03:50 any other topics? 04:04:22 #info there are no "meeting" tickets today 04:04:27 #chair pjp 04:04:27 Current chairs: gnokii harish kaio pjp tuanta 04:04:33 Hello, 04:04:40 I dont have topic. :) 04:05:43 #topic F23 release parties 04:05:50 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_release_events 04:06:09 #info there is no F23 events in APA registered here 04:06:29 people seems too busy with FAD :) 04:06:50 :) 04:07:36 we also want to do one in Hanoi, but I am really busy at this moment. I will discuss with other guys here. 04:08:03 will post to wiki soon 04:08:06 any updates? 04:08:24 heard there was a mentor app request 04:08:58 .fas rtnpro 04:08:58 rtnpro: rtnpro 'Ratnadeep Debnath' 04:09:05 Hi all 04:09:18 sorry, kaio. If it is not related to the current topic, we should make it discussed later (in Open floor) 04:09:22 kaio: mentor app? 04:09:22 #chair rtnpro 04:09:22 Current chairs: gnokii harish kaio pjp rtnpro tuanta 04:09:35 direct facebook message from Danishka Navin 04:10:04 tuanta, we are planning to have F23 release party in Bangalore next month 04:10:15 nice rtnpro 04:10:18 tuanta, we started looking out for a venue 04:10:31 tuanta, I will create an event page for it in wiki 04:10:36 please post it onto wiki asap 04:10:52 ok 04:11:07 and add it to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F23_release_events 04:11:15 we will also need to get F23 DVDs, Fedora stickers and swags 04:11:27 rtnpro, yes, next topic 04:11:34 I could use some swag here too, 04:12:03 #topic F23 media 04:12:35 a few weeks ago, we started discussing on producing F23 media in India and bring to FAD 04:12:58 for distribution to other countries 04:13:13 pjp and rtnpro: have you got any updates? 04:13:23 no 04:13:28 .fasinfo 04:13:28 hanthana: (fasinfo ) -- Return information on a Fedora Account System username. 04:13:30 tuanta: I saw the thread, but no updates yet 04:13:37 Siddhesh did it last two releases 04:13:38 tuanta: I'll check about it. 04:13:40 .fasinfo snavin 04:13:41 hanthana: User: snavin, Name: Danishka Navin, email: danishka@gmail.com, Creation: 2007-05-08, IRC Nick: hanthana, Timezone: Asia/Colombo, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 2A61E529, Status: active 04:13:44 hanthana: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_done cla_fedora ambassadors packager fedorabugs 04:13:45 tuanta: I know 04:13:46 #chair hanthana 04:13:46 Current chairs: gnokii hanthana harish kaio pjp rtnpro tuanta 04:14:16 pjp, could your please check it from siddhesh then follow to produce it? 04:14:35 sayan, can you look into it? 04:14:47 it is just less than two weeks to FAD. can we make it in time? 04:15:03 sayan, status of producing F23 media 04:15:29 sayan, or how to get it done :) 04:15:33 at least, we need a person to bring it to FAD; then pjp should involve 04:15:48 tuanta: Yes, 04:16:17 * harish driving but remotely monitoring 04:16:33 #action pjp to check about F23 media 04:16:40 thanks 04:17:09 then we should update via email 04:17:16 it is not much time to FAD 04:17:51 then, next topic now? 04:18:23 #topic FAD Singapore 2015 04:18:53 hanthana, could you please brief FAD preparation state up to now? 04:19:17 why me? 04:19:25 tuanta, please go ahead 04:19:43 I have no idea about final count 04:20:07 sure, I will. then you can add more comments 04:20:09 so confused and that's why I sent a mail last night to find how many people joining 04:20:25 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Singapore_2015 04:21:31 please look into https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Singapore_2015#Participants 04:21:53 tuanta: point is if you invite people and make decsions to sponsor them you should update the wiki and not just point to it 04:22:41 there is no pjp eg on it, there is a yogi which has to come by your decsions because now he is from indonesia, well just the guy gets always a travel and then disappears 04:23:26 ok, if no one do that, I will take it 04:23:34 gnokii: I've added my name there, 04:23:40 #action tuanta to update Participants section on wiki 04:24:07 pjp sorry then, but there are some other people 04:25:26 there are 12 people surely attend FAD, including 9 fly-in ones (fund support approved) 04:25:48 we are contacting to Dramsey to get final confirmation 04:25:54 The names highlighted in yellow, what do they mean? 04:26:23 I'm number 8 by the way. 04:26:28 they will be attending 04:26:59 GIANT_CRAB, 'Woo Huiren'? 04:27:02 GIANT_CRAB, your name is Woo Huiren? 04:27:04 Yes 04:27:10 could you please fix your emailID? 04:27:43 I noticed it was bouncing and later I dropped it whenever I mail. 04:27:49 KageSenshi, how about flight tickets booking status? 04:28:24 Where do I "fix" my emailID? 04:28:33 and hanthana, how about hotel booking status? 04:30:06 tuanta: you really have a problem with listening to others? hanthana said a few minutes ago he has no overview anymore for how much he has to book 04:30:34 no, I don't 04:30:56 it's still depressing to join these meetings when statements like these are made 04:31:18 gnokii, that's not enough information. I know more or less, but it is best to update to everyone here 04:31:42 I repeat: I sent a mail last night after discussing with harish to find out how many people will be attending. We should not just book accommodation and waste money. 04:32:19 tuanta: then read his mails, he said he has to find another hotel and he did search for one but you are keeping adding people, thats the main problem 04:33:03 everything should be transparent and informed 04:33:30 hanthana, people who's travel support has been approved are surely attend, I think. 04:33:45 flight is booked then they need a place to sleep 04:33:49 gnokii: please, it'll help to contain our tone, organising event is big task, we are trying to figure things out for the best 04:35:44 in organising it'll always be late changes, so we need buffer for flexibility 04:35:56 unless one/some of those people explicitly tell you that he/she will book hotel for him/herself 04:36:16 sth like how many % of rooms can be cancelled at late notice, may be able to negotiate with the hotels 04:36:40 I just don't know if anyone has told you that? 04:36:43 ! 04:37:16 its not about canceling something, its about finding something in the price range 04:37:29 those who need ticket, after meeting let sort it out at #fedora-apac 04:37:29 paying everything in full w/ unrefundable policies may be not the best way to get things done 04:37:41 thanks KageSenshi :) 04:37:57 there are 9 fly-in attendees now 04:38:07 have all approvals finalised? 04:38:21 any deadlines to cut offs? 04:38:38 if someone wants to book hotel for him/herself, they should tell hanthana explicitly (via ticket or email) 04:38:59 ^ and get confirmation from hanthana 04:39:04 earlier we had a place where every one can accommodate including magie and 8 males who had filled their tickets. 04:39:04 now most of places places not available as people keep booking, specially for schedule marathon event to be held in Singapore during that period + December vacation. 04:39:50 tuanta: It's best to have everything in the tickets, I'd suggest against personal emails 04:39:58 the confirmed ones can be accommdated such place, where those added later can be arranged somewhere close 04:40:03 +1 pjp 04:40:17 dont keep changing existing booking 04:40:32 ^ pjp 04:40:39 kaio: ? 04:40:43 +1 04:40:51 in fact, that such information is available in original tickets 04:41:30 at least, in my ticket, I mentioned that I need organizers to book hotel for me 04:41:56 now its hard to keep everyone at same place and specially we have to consider safety and convenience. For example we can't book a place in geylang area though its nice and cheap. 04:42:07 now we have limited time and limited options 04:42:10 i'm ok with a place that i can roll out sleeping bag 04:42:43 which basically, any place with a roof .. xD 04:43:09 hanthana, understood. that's why we need a local person for this work. 04:43:24 lol KageSenshi 04:43:31 sleep at the meeting room is ok too 04:44:12 hanthana, so you will check this and discuss back with us later on #fedora-fad 04:44:19 is that ok? 04:44:50 you have a full permission to decide the best option (on budget) 04:45:48 tuanta, no, you could be active before as you are doing now. once we set the budget based on last FAD participation, you said lets add more countries, for example Japan. 04:46:04 and then you came up with you friends who were late 04:46:50 hanthana: it happens, let's not digress from the situation at hand, let's focus on the accommodation for now. 04:47:26 pjp that not happens, that is made 04:47:36 we are waiting for Dramsey's response. If he does that too late, we can not do anything for him 04:47:51 he already responded yesterday 04:48:00 on ticket? 04:48:03 Geylang isnt that unsafe. :) 04:48:40 my point is we should not force people who travel from far end to take flights with long layover. for example pjp and david. 04:48:42 his last response on ticket is 5 days ago 04:48:57 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/650 04:48:58 dramsey can arrange himself if things are not going smooth 04:49:04 kaio, dude, we have a female participant here 04:49:05 he knows how to cope that 04:49:22 hanthana, that is Singapore 04:50:16 but still people do not like to stay that area 04:50:17 tuanta, you may ping dransey on facebook to respond the ticket 04:50:49 hanthana, nvm focus on what's important 04:50:50 I did ping him and last time he said he already reserved his leaves on Friday 04:51:27 hanthana: If people are not responding to tickets, its onus is on them, 04:51:28 I don't know much about Singapore. I can stay anywhere you (as a local person) arrange. 04:51:53 tuanta, but you wanted to stay in a hotel right? 04:52:08 no, anywhere on budget 04:52:36 tuanta, even Geylang, Singapore is just safer than anywhere in Asia. 04:52:40 hanthana: blue penguin 04:52:49 Guys, we are running out of time for the meeting, let's discuss this on email or a call. 04:53:02 +1 pjp 04:53:03 I have just pinged dramsey on facebook just now. 04:53:09 +1 04:53:17 hanthana: Maybe I could help you with arrangements if you need a hand, 04:53:32 #action hanthana to follow up and decide hotel to book for FAD 04:54:05 tuanta, DO NOT add my name after messing things 04:54:20 thanks pjp 04:54:31 hanthana: Relax, that won't happen, we'll sort it out. 04:54:58 tuanta, why we can't allow david to more budget with APAC budget? 04:55:33 hanthana, that's the last choice; we should try to arrange things on FAD budget 04:55:35 you were proposing the same for Yogi and Somvannda 04:55:52 I have never said that I will not do that for David 04:56:22 Just stick to the proper procedures 04:56:30 why we invite David? 04:56:41 hanthana, I made so clear that from my search on SkyScanner, David can find a cheaper flight 04:56:45 we cant afford special considerations like common ones 04:56:49 what's should be the outcome? 04:57:09 if I am not wrong, to get Japanese community active again 04:57:17 then why not support him 04:57:47 pls follow up the discussion on tickets 04:57:51 hanthana: I think no one is against supporting anybody, it's only depends on the available budget 04:57:58 running out of meeting time 04:58:02 And how best we allocate it. 04:58:14 +1 pjp 04:58:14 we cannot support everyone as the budget is limited 04:58:15 hanthana: tuanta could we have a call please? 04:58:21 we work on priority 04:58:52 just move the discussions to ticket 05:00:03 kaio, I could book tickets last week itself if we worked on priorities 05:00:36 ++ 05:00:38 hanthana, things arent always ideal 05:00:51 has nothing to do with ideal 05:00:53 the most ideal case is everyone pay for their cost 05:01:24 move on to get things done and leave retrospective after the event 05:01:31 we are out of time. we should discuss more on #fedora-fad any on tickets 05:02:06 kaio: +1 05:02:50 hanthana: Let's catch-up on google hangout for a short call? 05:03:29 ok, lets end the meeting now 05:03:58 KageSenshi, can you book accommodation using your credit card on Monday night? 05:04:21 we just need to book accommodation to those who responded to my mail. 05:04:59 get the details sorted out and i'll see what i can do .. airbnb ? 05:05:09 yes 05:05:29 monday or tuesday night .. depending on whether i get stuck in office or not 05:05:38 Monday 10PM SGT 05:05:44 thanks KageSenshi 05:06:23 ok, lets end the meeting and continue discussing in other ways 05:06:28 thank you all for coming today 05:06:32 Thank you. 05:06:36 #endmeeting