15:16:29 #startmeeting kde-sig 15:16:29 Meeting started Tue Dec 8 15:16:29 2015 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:16:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:16:29 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:16:34 #meetingname kde-sig 15:16:34 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:16:38 #topic roll call 15:16:45 hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting, who's present today? 15:17:24 present 15:17:31 hi 15:19:03 * Kevin_Kofler listening… 15:19:13 present 15:19:25 #info rdieter dvratil tosky Kevin_Kofler than_ present 15:19:30 #chair dvratil tosky Kevin_Kofler than_ 15:19:30 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil rdieter than_ tosky 15:20:24 #topic agenda 15:20:47 Plasma 5/ KF5 update update 15:20:52 off the top of my head, figured we could discuss: plasma-5.5 status, qt 5.6.0(beta) status 15:21:07 ah, kf5 release just happened too, yeah 15:21:08 * jreznik is listening, has important call in a few minutes 15:21:26 #info jreznik present (listening) 15:23:25 ok, let's start 15:23:36 #topic plasma5/kf5 status/update 15:23:42 dvratil: go ahead 15:23:56 so...plasma-5.5 is in rawhide and updates pending for F22 and F23 15:24:07 there are some issues with translations I believe that I still need to look into 15:24:30 uhm 15:24:34 compilation errors? 15:24:37 and someone send me a link to some last-minute commit that might need reverting in plasma-workspace 15:24:49 one issue onlist: plasma-5.5 seems to have lost/reset kickoff favorites 15:24:54 (I can confirm this) 15:25:15 hmm 15:25:18 that would be bad 15:25:24 rdieter: do you mean the defaults? 15:25:32 my favorites used to have ~7-8 things, now I have one: dolphin 15:25:48 dvratil: I haven't tested defaults, my previous list of favorites seem to have been lost 15:26:03 hmm, so I need to check that too, could be caused by my patch for the defaults 15:26:17 the applet has been rewritten completely in QML, which means the old patch no longer appled 15:26:23 the defaults patch from 5.4 appears to be unchanged (or did I miss something?) 15:26:27 ah, nevermind 15:26:38 Seems I missed that 15:27:20 ok, so we need to look into those soon(ish) I guess 15:27:35 I probably won't be able to do so until tomorrow evening 15:28:04 Wrt the favorites, I'll try to do a bit more testing, and file a bug today (both downstream and upstream, if appropriate) 15:28:39 otherwise, plasma-5.5 has been a breeze for me 15:28:46 same here :) 15:29:00 (and even using qt 5.6.0 beta here) 15:29:16 for KF5 - 5.17 tarballs are on depot since last night, I'll kickoff a build tonight and hope for the best, otherwise I'll see what I manage to do tomorrow - for rawhide at least, F22/23 probably on Friday 15:29:18 though the latter still seems to have problems with > 1 display 15:29:22 :( 15:29:42 (or so I've heard, I only use/test single display systems myself so far) 15:30:04 jreznik was grumbling yesterday (and heliocastro too I believe) 15:30:20 jreznik is grumbling all the time about multihead ;-) 15:30:35 heh 15:30:36 I'm stuck with only one screen now, hard to test multiscreen support with that :) 15:31:26 anything else plasam-5.5 or kf5-5.17 related? 15:31:34 nothing from me 15:31:41 any notable changes wrt 5.17? 15:31:59 no new frameworks, no notable changes 15:32:06 k, moving on 15:32:49 #topic qt 5.6.0 (beta) 15:33:35 so, between helio, myself, and jgrulich, got qt 5.6.0 (beta/snapshot) into rawhide recently 15:33:45 \o/ 15:33:50 after testing in copr for awhile 15:34:34 so far so good 15:34:40 sorry I'm late, I'm here too 15:34:40 are the rawhide builds complete? I got some dependency errors when building gammaray last night 15:34:46 #info jgrulich present 15:34:48 #chair jgrulich 15:34:48 Current chairs: Kevin_Kofler dvratil jgrulich rdieter than_ tosky 15:35:06 dvratil: I thought all done 15:35:19 ok, maybe I was too early 15:35:21 as far as I knew 15:35:26 * dvratil tries again now 15:35:37 dvratil: if problems persist, poke us after meeting 15:37:00 reminds me, I have to get helio to document how he generates the snapshot tarballs 15:37:26 so others can help, and to have verifiable sources 15:38:05 so plans are to keep copr updated to approximately match what's in rawhide 15:38:23 https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/g/kdesig/Qt5/ 15:38:39 (right now, it's a wee bit out of sync, but we can fix that over the coming days) 15:39:20 anything else 5.6.0 related? 15:40:56 k, moving on 15:41:01 #topic open discussion 15:41:20 jgrulich: how are the PIM builds going? 15:41:53 ah, relatedly, we still need to purge anything depending on qt4 akonadi, yes? 15:42:08 I'm building kdepim right now, seems that rebuild of kf5-akonadi against new gcc in rawhide works 15:42:15 cool 15:42:30 I mean I'm building it locally first 15:42:36 rdieter: if it's optional, then just disable it, if it depends on kdepimlibs, but not on Akonadi, then it's fine 15:42:46 and iirc, we want some sort of kde4-compat akonadi-less kdepimlibs4 15:43:19 the newer kdepimlibs is kf5 based, right? 15:43:43 the tarball is called kdepimlibs, we package it as kf5-akonadi, because that's the only thing that it really contains 15:43:54 ah, sneaky 15:43:57 "kdepimlibs" will go away eventually 15:44:05 worksforme 15:44:34 hmm, I had some specfiles with stripped-down kdepimlibs somewhere, but I can't find it :( 15:45:09 dvratil: is it more than just omitting the akonadi bits? 15:45:49 then we need to go through the list of stuff that currently depends on kdepimlibs-akonadi, and come up with a plan to deal with those 15:47:08 I'd say revert everything (with Epoch bumps where needed) to a pre-Akonadi version like 4.3.x. 15:49:39 hi all, sorry I'm late. I was on the road. 15:49:54 #info danofsatx present 15:50:08 rdieter: actually I think it might be better to build kdepimlibs4 WITH akonadi libraries, just without Akonadi server 15:50:27 that way we can have things like KNode(4) back 15:50:28 dvratil: interesting, ok, we can try that 15:51:00 it's actually even easier to do that, since you only need to disable everything in akonadi's CMake and only build the one tiny private library 15:51:12 dvratil: so... adjust akonadi.spec to build only libs and omit the server ? 15:51:17 yeah 15:51:28 the library itself is co-installable with akonadi5 15:51:41 k, seems like a reasonable minimialist initial approach 15:51:44 * dvratil has to run now, sorry guys 15:51:56 of course, stuff that actually needs akonadi won't work right 15:52:10 but that's what probably has been or should be ported anyway 15:52:40 last topic I had in mind, was dealing with a f23 qt bug 15:52:51 That's why I'm saying revert to 4.3.x (or enterprise4). 15:52:55 .bug 1279265 15:52:56 rdieter: Bug 1279265 qmake-qt4, libtool and others require redhat-hardened-cc1 and break compilation - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1279265 15:53:18 short term, we can a dep to -devel: Requires: redhat-rpm-config 15:53:24 But as long as you keep KNode working, I don't care all that much how you do it. 15:53:35 long term, can consider stipping RPM_OPT_FLAGS from default qmake 15:53:44 and inject them into packaging other ways 15:54:06 my first attempt with qt.spec to do that: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/298615/44958648 15:54:16 (borrowing a bit from opensuse's libqt4.spec) 15:55:15 any feedback on that would be appreciated... I'll take it onlist too 15:55:57 for example, packaged qt4 software should already be using %qmake_qt4 macro that sets QMAKE_CFLAGS_RELEASE and friends 16:00:24 looks like we're close to out of time, will close meeting soon, if no other comments 16:01:13 none from the peanut gallery 16:02:54 ok, thanks everyone 16:02:57 #endmeeting