06:02:58 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n
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06:03:04 <mfabian> Hi!
06:03:05 <pravins> #meetingname g11n
06:03:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n'
06:03:06 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:03:06 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-12-09
06:03:08 <suanand> Hi
06:03:09 <fujiwarat> hi
06:03:15 <pravins> hi mfabian suanand fujiwarat :)
06:03:24 <pravins> #chair mfabian suanand fujiwarat
06:03:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: fujiwarat mfabian pravins suanand
06:03:42 <pravins> Hoping we will have quick meeting today :)
06:04:06 <pravins> Lets start meeting while other joins
06:04:17 <pravins> As you might have already seen.
06:04:19 <pravins> FESCo, Council, FAmSCo elections - Voting period is now open
06:04:22 <juhp> hi
06:04:30 <epico> hi
06:04:45 <pravins> hi juhp epico :)
06:04:50 <pravins> #chair juhp epico
06:04:50 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian pravins suanand
06:04:58 <pravins> #link https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/open
06:05:32 <pravins> if you have not yet, please vote for this.
06:06:04 <pravins> In between paragan is again nominated for FeSco elections :)
06:06:33 <paragan> hi
06:06:39 <pravins> hi paragan :)
06:06:41 <pravins> #chair paragan
06:06:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand
06:06:52 <pravins> All the best for election. !!
06:07:12 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-01-12 	Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes)
06:07:26 <pravins> #info not scheduled yet 	Side Tag Builds Deadline
06:07:26 <pravins> #info not required 	Mass Rebuild
06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-02-02 	Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25)
06:07:26 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 	Alpha Freeze (*)
06:07:27 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 	Software String Freeze
06:07:29 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 	Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)
06:07:31 <pravins> #info 2016-02-16 	Bodhi activation point
06:07:45 <pravins> No changes.
06:08:24 <pravins> We are going to lose momentum during christmas and New year celebration, so good if we complete planning stuff in coming 1 week.
06:09:56 <pravins> moving to next topic
06:10:03 <pravins> #topic Outstanding task
06:10:03 <pravins> #info #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (anishpatil)
06:10:03 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:10:54 <pravins> action item from last meeting
06:11:00 <pravins> anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for Indian language in gnome.
06:11:34 <pravins> #link https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756939
06:11:37 <pravins> no progress yet.
06:11:43 <pravins> continuing action item
06:11:59 <pravins> #action anish_ to update bug report to disable xkb layouts for Indian language in gnome.
06:12:09 <pravins> #topic New topics
06:12:16 <pravins> #info #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins)
06:12:16 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43
06:12:28 <pravins> Expense claims:
06:12:41 <pravins> I saw last week almost all expenses are filed now.
06:13:05 <pravins> once you get your reimbursement credit to account, please close respective ticket.
06:14:33 <pravins> pravins to ask all FAD attendees for summaries and reports.
06:14:34 <pravins> pravins to work on Collaborating summary post on G11N Fedora activities day.
06:14:40 <pravins> above are action items from last meeting.
06:15:34 <pravins> I have requested everyone for summaries. Few are busy with other stuff and said if they get chance they will post it.
06:15:54 <pravins> Collaborative summary post is remaining.
06:16:27 <pravins> #action pravins to work this week for G11N FAD summary post on community blog.
06:16:37 <pravins> I will ask review from all of you.
06:16:58 <pravins> i hope, no queries on FAD now :)
06:18:13 <pravins> #info #57: Fedora 24 change planning (pravins)
06:18:13 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57
06:18:22 <pravins> lets go through action items from last week.
06:18:49 <pravins> fujiwarat to set deadline for "Merge IBus fbterm into ibus core"
06:19:00 <pravins> paragan to create ticket for Automation of langpack LiveCD for better tracking status.
06:20:23 <pravins> juhp tagoh_  you might have noticed, i have sent email on devel and g11n list regarding String breakage monitoring script.  :)
06:20:35 <juhp> pravins, oh good
06:21:02 <juhp> I think mfabian is going to update the glibc subpackaging Change to F24
06:21:26 <pravins> mfabian: is it done?
06:21:39 <mfabian> Yes.
06:21:55 <pravins> nice.
06:22:10 <pravins> #info mfabian has move glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24.
06:22:20 <pravins> #undo mfabian has move glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24.
06:22:20 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pravins at 06:22:10 : mfabian has move glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24.
06:22:27 <pravins> #info mfabian has moved glibc_subpackaging change proposal to Fedora 24.
06:23:47 <pravins> epico: Pinyin/zhuyin is this going to be change for Fedora 24?
06:24:02 <epico> not
06:24:13 <epico> already default, fixing bugs now.
06:24:39 <pravins> aha, nice. :)
06:24:53 <pravins> i am just going to through ideas for Fedora 24.
06:25:25 <pravins> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaDELi4js/edit#
06:26:29 <fujiwarat> I had a good implementation of ibus-fbterm. Now the target is f24.
06:26:51 <pravins> Is this going to be a change proposal?
06:27:12 <pravins> sorry, Unfortunately i am still not clear is this going to be merged with IBus or fork :(
06:27:28 <fujiwarat> No, not yet.
06:28:12 <pravins> sure.
06:28:32 <fujiwarat> Probably I will own ibus-fbterm or new ibus-fbterm-noprotocol
06:29:10 <fujiwarat> It will not be in ibus core.
06:29:21 <pravins> nice. that looks good now. :)
06:29:27 <juhp> fujiwarat, okay :)  ibus-fbterm-noprotocol sounds a bit long
06:29:53 <fujiwarat> I will think 'ibus' command will be updated or bin/ibus-fbterm handles everything.
06:30:20 <fujiwarat> juhp: agreed.
06:30:34 <pravins> rather than noprotocol, just NP
06:31:10 <fujiwarat> I will rename bin/ibus-fbterm and bin/ibus-fbterm-launch to libexec/ibus-fbterm-backend and bin/ibus-fbterm.
06:33:20 <pravins> sure.
06:33:44 <pravins> #info fujiwarat to rename bin/ibus-fbterm and bin/ibus-fbterm-launch to libexec/ibus-fbterm-backend and bin/ibus-fbterm.
06:33:53 <pravins> other ideas we discussed in FAD were
06:34:00 <pravins> PoC of NextGen G11n workflow (Jens/Zanata?)
06:34:05 <pravins> #idea PoC of NextGen G11n workflow (Jens/Zanata?)
06:34:14 <pravins> #idea Automatic testing (Akira)
06:34:21 <pravins> #idea Description support of the configuration in fontconfig (Akira)
06:34:35 <pravins> tagoh_: juhp any thing on these points?
06:34:56 <pravins> I think you both were away in last I18n meeting :)
06:35:38 <juhp> we have ticket for the string change monitoring, I forget?
06:36:15 <pravins> no, not yet.
06:37:17 <juhp> right now still no clear idea about the PoC
06:37:31 <juhp> need to discuss with zanata people I guess
06:37:50 <pravins> sure. May be i should move it to halt stage.
06:38:01 <pravins> From change perspective.
06:38:10 <pravins> i think only one that is subpackaging.
06:38:56 <pravins> did i missed any change for F24?
06:39:11 <pravins> change planned for F24 :)
06:40:14 <pravins> i think not.
06:40:24 <pravins> Here we move to imp. topic.
06:40:32 <pravins> #info #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins)
06:40:32 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58
06:40:42 <pravins> As we just saw, we dont have much change proposal.
06:40:50 <pravins> But we are going to fix/improve number of this.
06:40:54 <pravins> How to track it??
06:41:02 <pravins> for this, i have created Wiki page.
06:41:27 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements
06:41:52 <pravins> I have sent email on g11n list, will be nice if get more replies there :)
06:42:00 <juhp> good
06:42:12 <juhp> we could also use a tracking bug
06:42:32 <pravins> aha, you means F24_i18n tracking bug?
06:42:39 <juhp> yes
06:42:54 <juhp> is there one already?
06:43:00 <pravins> No.
06:43:20 <juhp> okay might make it easier - since then you don't need to keep updating the wiki
06:43:31 <juhp> I think it is a good idea
06:43:48 <pravins> no, there is one more motivation behind this.
06:43:53 <pravins> For new contributors
06:44:01 <juhp> okay
06:44:06 <juhp> or both? :)
06:44:10 <pravins> New contributors will get information regarding issues planned for particular Fedora release.
06:44:21 <pravins> I think this is in some line with Workstation TODO list.
06:44:31 <juhp> +1
06:44:49 <juhp> tracker still helpful though too i think
06:44:57 <pravins> As we see from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-12-09  bug stat
06:45:18 <pravins> 58 bugs open for Fedora 22. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?v4=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o5=substring&f1=OP&o3=substring&v3=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o2=substring&f4=reporter&v5=i18n&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cc&f2=assigned_to&o4=substring&bug_status=__open__&version=22&f5=keywords&f6=CP&v2=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&product=Fedora
06:45:31 <pravins> 56 Bugs open for Fedora 23 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?v4=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o5=substring&f1=OP&o3=substring&v3=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o2=substring&f4=reporter&v5=i18n&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cc&f2=assigned_to&o4=substring&bug_status=__open__&version=23&f5=keywords&f6=CP&v2=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&product=Fedora
06:45:44 <pravins> and 59 bugs open for Rawhide https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?v4=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o5=substring&f1=OP&o3=substring&list_id=578982&v3=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&o2=substring&f4=reporter&v5=i18n&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cc&f2=assigned_to&o4=substring&bug_status=__open__&version=rawhide&f5=keywords&f6=CP&v2=i18n-bugs%40lists.fedoraproject.org&product=Fedora
06:46:14 * juhp may see if he can shorten those urls :)
06:46:55 <pravins> True, may be i should do url shortening before meeting :)
06:47:25 <pravins> Actually, i requested on email everyone to add some task like bug fixes or any process improvement they are planning to do in this page.
06:47:32 <pravins> Process improvement like
06:47:42 <pravins> Just fujiwarat mentioned regarding IBus-FBterm
06:47:55 <pravins> mfabian: going to fix ibus-typing-booster AltGr support.
06:48:47 <pravins> few important bug fixes for Pinyin/zhuyin
06:49:03 <pravins> String breakage monitoring
06:49:12 <pravins> LangCD creation.
06:49:30 <mfabian> pravins: made good progress for AltGr support, I can now use libm17n directly, not via libtranslit.
06:49:35 <juhp> pravins, at least reporter email could be removed :)
06:50:02 <juhp> mfabian, nice
06:50:07 <pravins> mfabian++
06:50:07 <zodbot> pravins: Karma for mfabian changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
06:50:32 <pravins> juhp: not understood :(
06:50:50 <juhp> pravins, f4=reporter
06:51:05 <juhp> anyway, later
06:51:09 <pravins> sure.
06:51:24 <pravins> Other plan is shortlist some bugs from above list and add to page.
06:51:33 <pravins> Need help from all of you for it.
06:51:47 <pravins> This page, is definitely going to help in long term.
06:51:56 <juhp> +1
06:52:05 <pravins> I hope, we will get more contributors and takeover some tasks from list.
06:52:16 <juhp> sounds good
06:52:23 <pravins> There are already at least one interest from L10N :)
06:52:47 <pravins> thanks :)
06:52:56 <pravins> let me add action item
06:53:24 <pravins> #action Every i18n members to find some bugs from dashboard and add if for Fedora 24 planning page.
06:53:44 <pravins> Moving to next topic.
06:53:45 <pravins> #topic New task
06:53:46 <pravins> #info #56: Fedora 21 EOL Bugs triaging (pravins)
06:53:46 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/56
06:53:59 <pravins> Thanks everyone for triaging bugs for F21 :)
06:55:02 <pravins> I still saw around 8bugs got closed without any triaging. Dunno if those bugs still make sense.
06:55:07 <pravins> Few were abrt.
06:55:53 <pravins> .bug 1158370
06:55:55 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1158370 list major common keyboard layouts first - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1158370
06:56:13 <pravins> .bug 1177999
06:56:14 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1177999 [abrt] ibus-chewing: g_settings_set_property(): ibus-engine-chewing killed by SIGTRAP - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1177999
06:56:19 <pravins> .bug 1180802
06:56:23 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1180802 [abrt] gcin: strcmp(): gcin killed by SIGSEGV - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1180802
06:56:25 <pravins> .bug 1199772
06:56:26 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1199772 [abrt] ibus-libpinyin: pinyin_mask_out(): ibus-engine-libpinyin killed by SIGSEGV - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1199772
06:56:30 <pravins> .bug 1202647
06:56:31 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1202647 [abrt] ibus-libpinyin: pinyin::ChewingLengthIndexLevel::load(): ibus-engine-libpinyin killed by SIGABRT - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1202647
06:56:35 <pravins> .bug 1240807
06:56:37 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1240807 Non-latin glyphs generated by ligatures fi ff fl - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1240807
06:56:42 <pravins> .bug 1036220
06:56:43 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1036220 Font hinting and aliasing not properly configured on fresh Fedora 19/20/21 install. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1036220
06:56:49 <pravins> .bug 1215705
06:56:50 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1215705 Keyboard layout changes to english either randomly or after waking up from sleep - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1215705
06:56:56 <pravins> .bug 1133188
06:56:58 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1133188 Select English as the default language for India geolocation - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1133188
06:57:01 <pravins> .bug 1189423
06:57:02 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1189423 Keyboard Layout not persistent through login - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1189423
06:57:31 <pravins> may be i should drop email on i18n list. Dunno may be someone still caring for it :)
06:57:56 <pravins> but still already 4-5 notification via bugzilla, so we can ignore may be....
06:58:10 <juhp> I already reopened bug 1158370
06:58:58 <pravins> yeah, i took this list before that event.
06:59:17 <pravins> may be we should close ticket, given these bugs number there.
07:00:03 <pravins> #action pravins to close F21 EOL triage ticket with list of bugs closed without any triaging.
07:00:19 <pravins> We done with all our topics :)
07:00:21 <pravins> moving to last one
07:00:22 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
07:00:31 <pravins> Anything we missed or need improvement.
07:00:50 <pravins> I still see our mailing list very silent. Dunno how can we make it more active :(
07:01:49 <juhp> pravins, sure good idea with mail but then please only list the bugs that are still closed :)
07:02:19 <pravins> yes, those are very less around 6-8. I will do final check again :)
07:02:31 <juhp> cool
07:03:08 <pravins> if nothing else, lets close meeting in couple of minutes.
07:04:35 <juhp> ueno, fujiwarat: any idea about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1215705 ?
07:05:14 <juhp> sometimes ibus seems to die for me in firefox for example recently
07:05:29 <juhp> wondering it is similar phenomenon
07:05:32 <juhp> if
07:06:20 <pravins> reported has provided steps-to-reproduce
07:06:31 <pravins> s/reporter.
07:06:41 <fujiwarat> which desktop?
07:07:30 <pravins> that information missing from bugzilla as well :)
07:07:51 <pravins> there is mention regarding gnome-tweak-tool, so looks like Gnome
07:09:08 <pravins> We are already late for meeting. May be lets take this on mailing list.
07:09:13 <pravins> i18n list is fine :)
07:09:35 <pravins> or lets continue discussion on #fedora-g11n
07:09:45 <pravins> thanks everyone for meeting !!
07:09:45 <pravins> #endmeeting