22:00:09 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 22:00:09 Meeting started Thu Jan 21 22:00:09 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 22:00:09 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 22:00:11 #meetingname magazine 22:00:11 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 22:00:15 #topic Roll call 22:00:18 .hello pfrields 22:00:20 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 22:00:58 .hello jflory7 22:00:59 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 22:01:20 Lost track of time, happened to open the channel at the exact right moment. :) 22:01:34 * jflory7 switches gears 22:02:14 ha 22:02:53 .hello puiterwijk 22:02:54 puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick "マルタインアンドレアス" Uiterwijk' 22:03:00 #chair jflory7 puiterwijk 22:03:00 Current chairs: jflory7 puiterwijk stickster 22:03:18 Lots to do, so let's get crackin' ;-) 22:03:28 #topic Future meetings 22:03:30 +1! 22:03:40 o/ 22:03:45 #chair cydrobolt 22:03:45 Current chairs: cydrobolt jflory7 puiterwijk stickster 22:03:50 #info stickster will be out 2016-Feb-04 and 2016-Feb-11, and needs a chair substitute 22:04:15 I can probably do that 22:04:23 Hi 22:04:29 Welcome Kohane! :) 22:04:32 Hi Kohane! 22:04:34 And hey cydrobolt! 22:04:43 ^ what he said :-) 22:04:51 And I don't get a "hey"? :P 22:05:05 puiterwijk: I've been talking to you all day, but I'll pin a medal on you in a few weeks ;-) 22:05:07 Puiterwijk hi! 22:05:08 stickster: Okay, yeah, I'm definitely open in those time slots - I could chair if you'd like. 22:05:16 Thanks jflory7, that would be great 22:05:20 puiterwijk: Hello again :) 22:05:25 #agreed jflory7 will chair 2016-Feb-04 and 2016-Feb-11 meetings 22:05:37 * jflory7 nods 22:05:40 Hey jflory7! 22:05:47 Good 22:05:47 o/ 22:05:52 #topic Weekly review 22:06:16 I see two in pending 22:06:46 Kohane's "Art and design series" and cprofitt's "GnuPG: A Fedora Primer" 22:07:04 Good job this past week -- we got out the following posts: 2016-Jan-15 SSH vulnerabilities, 2016-Jan-15 FTFTW, 2016-Jan-18 Fedora Year in Review notice, 2016-Jan-20 IRC beginner's guide 22:07:07 Yes 22:07:39 Oops, I'm moving too far ahead 22:07:48 I saw that a good number of those made it to social media too! 22:08:06 I was wanting to share that IRC beginner's guide in a few other communities too 22:08:21 I think that will make a great long-term reference tool for Fedora and many others 22:08:25 stickster++ 22:08:42 We had an average of > 6000 hits/day, but notably the weekly hits were up 22:09:25 jflory7: coolio! 22:09:30 OK, moving right along 22:09:37 Excellent! 22:09:47 #info Nice job this week, four posts and solid stats 22:09:55 #topic Pending review 22:10:12 And actually, there is "technically" three pending review 22:10:16 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post&orderby=date&order=asc 22:10:41 Tomorrow's Picard article is already scheduled, but I would just like to have another pair of eyes look it over because I was starting to feel burnt out towards the end 22:10:51 jflory7: I can do that after this meeting. 22:11:03 #action stickster review Picard article quickly after meeting to confirm OK 22:11:18 Good. 22:11:22 stickster: Awesome, thanks! I don't really think it's in "bad shape" but another confirmation that I didn't cut it off too abruptly would be good -- that was my main concern 22:11:27 yup 22:12:05 I see the GnuPG article first? 22:12:13 By the way Kohane -- when you see us doing things like '#link' or '#action' at the top -- those are telling the automated bot in this channel that records minutes to make a special note for that line 22:12:31 #info * GnuPG: A Fedora Primer 22:12:34 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11485&preview=true 22:12:34 that way the minutes will be notated and easier to read when I send them out 22:12:56 stickster thanks! 22:13:04 jflory7: Do you know if there's SVG source for that banner image? 22:13:16 stickster: Probably a question for cprofitt. 22:13:26 I'll ask elsewhere, thanks jflory7 22:13:26 Not as far as I know. 22:13:53 So giving it a rough glance over, I think content and length seem solid. I know Charles spent a lot of time editing with the feedback from Yoast SEO too 22:14:05 I can give it a final edit tonight 22:14:15 Featured image seems to be okay too as far as I know? 22:14:24 If so, then I give a personal +1 for next Monday 22:14:32 jflory7: I'd like to make a few adjustments to match our design aesthetic 22:14:38 * jflory7 nods 22:14:41 like change the font and adjust the colors slightly 22:14:49 OK 22:14:51 Mhmm. 22:15:03 jflory7: If I can't get the source by tomorrow, I'll fix something up accordingly 22:15:24 Sounds good to me. So for this article, final proposal: 22:15:34 Yes... 22:15:36 But +1 to go out Monday 22:15:45 +1 22:16:05 Proposal: jflory7 to make final edits to article, stickster to contact cprofitt for image source to make small adjustments, if cannot get source, will design something else; to be published Monday 2016-01-15 8:00 UTC (?) 22:16:27 +1 22:16:38 jflory7: Also you can do #proposed for minutes 22:16:43 just sayin', nbd :-) 22:16:49 Ooh, is that actually a meetbot thing?! 22:16:53 Cool! 22:17:07 #agreed jflory7 to make final edits to article, stickster to contact cprofitt for image source to make small adjustments, if cannot get source, will design something else; to be published Monday 2016-01-15 8:00 UTC 22:17:21 #action jflory7 Make final edits on cprofitt's GnuPG article tonight / tomorrow 22:17:45 #action stickster Contact cprofitt for image source on GnuPG article for final revisions; if cannot get source, make new image tomorrow (Friday) 22:17:46 Excellent 22:17:56 I will try the #proposed next article :) 22:17:57 bonzer 22:18:06 * stickster wonders if ryanlerch is about 22:18:32 also cprofitt++ 22:18:34 oops 22:18:36 cprofitt++ 22:18:46 Hm, maybe I already cookied him :-) 22:19:15 I know I'm all cookie'd out now :) 22:19:18 Anyways, next article? 22:19:27 That would be https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11362&preview=true 22:19:41 #info * Art and design series 22:19:47 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11362&preview=true 22:19:52 Kohane: Correct me if I'm wrong... I believe we agreed last time that this would become an article covering one design tool, instead of a list 22:20:14 Honestly, I don't remember. 22:20:20 * stickster goes back to last week's minutes 22:20:32 But I thought that article stood 22:21:17 But if not just delete it and I'll keep adding stuff to Shotwell. 22:21:57 Kohane: If that makes things easier for you, it sounds fine to me 22:22:05 "22:27:23 Kohane: Were you still interested in working on the design apps series? Because if so, I would suggest taking the intro article, and rather than writing an intro, just write the article about the first app you'd like" 22:22:28 Ah! I see! You're right 22:22:36 It looks like we started talking about the featured image and fonts then, but didn't really come to an answer 22:22:55 but it sounds like you have a good plan now, Kohane -- I like the idea of just starting with a tool like Shotwell 22:22:56 I like the idea of incorporating the the intro article as a unique header that appears in every article in the series, kind of like the HDYF series, with the header on top. 22:23:08 So that way it all sounds like the same series, but each article covers a major part. :) 22:23:09 "Welcome to our series on ___" 22:23:22 Yeah! 22:23:25 jflory7: For example, see http://fedoramagazine.org/systemd-getting-a-grip-on-units/ 22:23:29 "Welcome back to the systemd series, where we explore more about how this central part of your Fedora system works. This installment talks about unit files. 22:23:32 " 22:23:33 Yes, sounds good 22:23:43 stickster: Exactly :) 22:23:55 So, this proposal-- 22:24:44 #proposed Kohane to revise article to cover one part of the series, and include a unique header to introduce each article as part of the series -- first article in series ready by Tuesday for a Wednesday publication (?) 22:25:20 Yes, that's fine. Time enough to make a nice pic 22:25:28 Okay, great! :) 22:25:34 #agreed Kohane to revise article to cover one part of the series, and include a unique header to introduce each article as part of the series -- first article in series ready by Tuesday for a Wednesday publication (?) 22:25:40 yup yup! 22:25:50 Good 22:25:57 #action Kohane Revise first design series article to cover one product in the series 22:26:12 #action jflory7 Help with editing on Kohane's article on Tuesday or whenever ready 22:26:19 All sound good? 22:26:28 Yes, perfect 22:26:31 +1 to all, nice summary jflory7 22:26:43 Excellent! So that's all the pending articles. :) 22:26:44 man, I'm beginning to feel obsolete (in a good way) 22:26:54 LOL 22:27:09 #topic Drafts in progress 22:27:11 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post&orderby=date&order=asc 22:27:25 There are a lot of these that are "cold" and I don't think we should beat dead horses here 22:27:55 But some new things too 22:27:55 stickster: Heheh, well, who do I have to thank for learning the ways of the Magazine? ;) 22:28:06 Some goofball, probably 22:28:19 stickster++ 22:28:32 So, I can give a few updates on some of the colder ones 22:28:35 So some new things have shown up int he magazine... A draft on AWS tools in Fedora by fale -- that sounds neat, anyone heard from that person? 22:28:44 .fas fale 22:28:46 stickster: mfalesni 'Milan Falesnik' - falefel '' - rfales 'ronald fales' - wpbastos 'Wellington Pedroso Bastos' - mirotest 'miro test' - fale 'Fabio Alessandro Locati' - remizoffalex 'Alex Remizoff' - bkfaler '' - jwest 'Jakub (1 more message) 22:29:00 Ah, it's from Fabio! 22:29:08 fale++ 22:29:08 stickster: Karma for fale changed to 3 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:29:08 I never heard of 22:29:20 #info * AWS tools in Fedora 22:29:22 It's probably late for him, if he's in Italy (I'm guessing from the name, sorry about that) 22:29:26 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11599&preview=true 22:29:40 jflory7: We should probably put this in "Pitch" until there's text there and we know someone wants to do it 22:29:48 #proposed Put this in Pitch status for now 22:29:48 This would definitely be an awesome topic! 22:29:52 totally 22:29:57 Okay 22:30:04 Heheh, whoops, I see now there is no content 22:30:09 yeah, that ^ 22:30:15 +1 for moving to pitch and seeing what direction fale wants to take it. 22:30:18 As I don't know what AWS stands for, I can't help on this 22:30:22 fale++ for the idea and interest 22:30:22 jflory7: Karma for fale changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:30:28 Kohane: Amazon Web Services. :) 22:30:37 #action stickster move AWS article to Pitch 22:30:44 Definitely out of knowledge 22:30:46 #agreed We love the AWS tools article idea 22:30:56 Good 22:31:15 Jflory7 thanks for explaining 22:31:23 Kohane: No problem. :) 22:31:28 #action stickster email fale to find out if he'll write the article for us, and if so, by when 22:31:49 I can give a quick update on the i3 article, can't remember if it was mentioned at last meeting 22:31:51 Good idea. 22:31:56 #info * Getting started with the i3 tiling window manager 22:32:01 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11254&preview=true 22:32:11 No, it wasn't mentioned 22:32:31 #info williamjmorenor aware of the article and was drafting the article privately; estimated completion either this week or the next, for a hopeful publication in February 22:32:41 That's all for that one 22:32:50 Okay 22:33:06 great news! 22:33:30 Agreed. Should be an interesting article for the techie readers! 22:33:33 Kohane, any new updates on "Installing another desktop" or "Shotwell - Two in one"? 22:34:12 No, I made some screen shots but I couldn't upload them 22:34:20 reminder - Shotwell is the article that Kohane said she'd be working on now for the design series 22:34:21 I've been a bit too busy 22:34:50 Kohane: No worries - with the other design article, we're still at a good pace! 22:34:54 Yes. Because it will be a short article. It's a simple tool 22:35:05 Kohane: just a reminder for screenshots -- I highly recommend to do them with a "new user" account on your system using the default environment, so it looks as much like what new users have as possible 22:35:46 we often customize our own environments, and if a screenshot looks different because of that, it can confuse new Fedora users 22:36:07 I thought of describing Shotwell and then listing briefly its possible substitutes 22:36:36 Ah 22:36:39 Kohane: actually... since this is a series, we could *cover* those substitutes later... so I'd just stick to showing off some Shotwell features 22:36:55 Oh, right 22:37:06 * fale just come home I can teply about the stickster action 22:37:11 Then it will be ready in a couple of days. 22:37:12 hi fale! 22:37:26 Kohane: Excellent! 22:37:38 I can help work with you on editing once you're ready for review. :) 22:37:39 😃 22:37:52 Oh, thank you! 22:37:57 Hiya fale, good timing! 22:38:19 fale: I sent you some email too... just to find out if you were interested to write the article you proposed on AWS tools in Fedora 22:38:43 So, outside of revisiting AWS tools and the design article series, I only think we have gnokii_'s F24 wallpaper announcement left. 22:38:54 stickster: I'm interested in writing it and I've started even if I found some "philosophical" issues 22:38:56 And didn't he say there was a specific publication date too? 22:38:58 fale: It's also completely fair to find a native English speaker to do it for you, but either way, we really want the article! 22:39:10 jflory7: yes 22:39:17 * jflory7 goes digging for a second 22:39:46 Okay, I can do an #info for that article real fast before AWS 22:39:57 #info * Contribute! – get your wallpaper into Fedora 24 22:40:02 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11442&preview=true 22:40:33 #info F24 wallpaper announcement article is a timed article, not meant for publication until some time in February 22:40:47 #info Sirko (gnokii) is aware of article and intends to publish on February 15th, 2016 - will share details with the list as article is ready 22:41:06 #action jflory7 Add first draft due date on article as 2016-02-13 for future reference 22:41:15 fale: philosophical? 22:41:28 Oh, coolio, and it even has a featured image done 22:41:31 yup 22:41:32 gnokii++ 22:41:32 jflory7: Karma for gnokii changed to 5 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:42:21 It looks like a pretty solid article already 22:42:24 He might be done with it 22:42:34 jflory7: If he is, let's schedule it for the right date and be done with it 22:42:45 I agree, I will follow up on the list after meeting to confirm 22:42:48 #undo 22:42:48 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jflory7 at 22:41:06 : jflory7 Add first draft due date on article as 2016-02-13 for future reference 22:43:08 #action jflory7 check with gnokii on article status, and if ready, schedule it for 2016-Feb-15 22:43:16 Beat me to it :) 22:43:19 stickster++ 22:43:19 hee hee 22:43:30 ☺ 22:43:31 OK, I think that's everything then, right? 22:43:39 Kohane: the problem is that AWS is a commercial product and I would not like to make an advertise for it 22:43:52 Any other drafts? 22:44:03 Oh, shoot 22:44:05 There is one 22:44:13 email clients 22:44:16 Jiri's article... I was going to edit that one too... 22:44:22 I totally forgot about that one 22:44:25 Fale: mmm... Interesting. I didn't consider that but now you say 22:44:42 Kohane: I did not too, until I started to write about it 22:44:54 I can make final edits to that one tonight / tomorrow and we can have it scheduled for next week 22:45:03 stickster: Does the featured image on that one look good to you? 22:45:44 Oh, and I will info this 22:45:50 jflory7: tbh, I would like to change that 22:45:52 #info * Email Clients in Fedora 22:45:53 Hi 22:45:59 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=11497&preview=true 22:46:10 it's very busy and hard to see the icons -- but I like the idea of having those icons in the graphic -- just a different background would be nice 22:46:11 stickster: Yeah, I don't know if the current image follows the theme 22:46:13 nb: hi 22:46:16 nb: Hiya! 22:46:32 jflory7: I'll be happy to take that one one 22:46:37 *that one on 22:46:53 #action stickster work on featured image for Jiří's post 22:46:57 * jflory7 nods 22:47:01 Good 22:47:01 Sounds good to me. 22:47:22 So, the only things left for drafts are going to be cgroups and cockpit overviews 22:47:28 #action stickster editorial pass on email clients post too 22:47:37 I sent an email to Jiri for that article, but I've got no answer up to now 22:47:46 Kohane: You're featured in there :) 22:47:59 cgroups is on hold, same with cockpit for right now, until ryanlerch puts something together 22:48:01 Those would be in ryanlerch's court as of now -- do we want to move them to the Holding Pen until they're ready? 22:48:07 Yeah. 22:48:11 #action ryanlerch to get us update on list for cockpit and cgroups posts 22:48:17 Where I featured? 22:48:20 +1 22:48:26 Kohane: In the email clients article. :) 22:48:38 Ah 22:48:53 Kohane: You're the featured user for Kmail. 22:49:08 stickster: So I think that should have us set for all drafts. 22:49:09 Ah! 22:49:21 We can switch to pitches and get fale's input while he's here :) 22:49:54 coolio 22:49:58 #topic Pitches 22:50:11 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&orderby=date&order=asc 22:50:18 Top to bottom? 22:50:24 Ooh, Pagure 22:50:49 I just added that one. pingou on our team will soon be releasing Pagure 1.0, a free git forge written in Python 22:51:03 +1 for the idea through and through 22:51:09 Yes 22:51:13 +1 22:51:19 I already have a TODO to put together an outline for him to review and edit, and then we'll have an article shortly thereafter 22:51:19 A Pagure article would be *awesome* 22:51:28 Excellent! 22:51:33 Not sure of release date yet, but it's soon 22:51:44 So I think this one is agreed, green light to write :) 22:51:45 So we can time the article against the release date; pingou will keep me updated 22:51:58 \o/ 22:52:01 Good! 22:52:07 #agreed Pagure pitch accepted 22:52:20 I think we already agreed on the AWS tools article 22:52:28 Yes 22:52:32 Right. 22:52:32 #agreed (for posterity) AWS Tools in Fedora pitch accepted 22:52:55 I see a HDYF, that should probably go to Draft because (1) YES, and (2) it's almost done 22:53:00 fale: As a writing tip, it would still probably be a good idea to throw together an outline before writing too. :) 22:53:04 stickster: Also have a new writer! 22:53:19 Yes! Do we know his IRC? 22:53:20 fale: Might be useful. :) https://fedoramagazine.org/writing-a-new-pitch/ 22:53:23 .fas moreno 22:53:23 stickster: moreno 'angel' - apostols 'Juan Angulo Moreno' - fabritux 'Fabrizzio Eduardo Moreno Rocha' - aesptux 'Adrián Espinosa Moreno' - imorenocrespin 'Ignacio Moreno' - morenocomelli 'Moreno Comelli' - boiledmint 'Xavier Moreno' - juan77sur 'Juan (8 more messages) 22:53:30 .more 22:53:30 stickster: José Moreno Rojo' - mmilinux 'Mario Moreno' - mnardelli 'moreno' - regiocty 'Jose Leonardo Moreno' - uncholowapo 'Juan Moreno' - juanjo77sur 'Juan José Moreno Rojo' - srkraken 'Efren Antonio Robledo Moreno' - netalien 'netalien' (7 more messages) 22:53:34 .fasinfo williamjmorenor 22:53:35 jflory7: User: williamjmorenor, Name: William Moreno, email: williamjmorenor@gmail.com, Creation: 2012-06-24, IRC Nick: williamjmorenor, Timezone: America/Managua, Locale: es, GPG key ID: , Status: active 22:53:37 ^ 22:53:38 jflory7: Approved Groups: +packager docs cla_fpca cla_done ambassadors designteam freemedia videos fedorabugs fudcon +fedora-ni 22:53:38 thanks 22:53:42 williamjmorenor++ 22:53:44 stickster: Karma for williamjmorenor changed to 6 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:53:45 Also the writer for the i3 article. 22:53:55 sorry for the log noise :-) 22:54:02 No problem :) 22:54:04 I forgot to do that in /msg 22:54:10 So I have no problem +1'ing this one 22:54:15 Now, the only other one I see is "Installing Fedora for Dummies" 22:54:24 Part of me wants to say, "duh, yes" 22:54:25 We just need the featured image and then formatting, but we can get that in editing. 22:54:38 oops, sorry, I didn't mean to skip 22:54:45 I know Moreno, he's in LATAM like me 22:54:47 no problem, I was done :) 22:54:48 +1 on HDYF by Mr. Moreno 22:54:56 #agreed Neville Cross HDYF is good to go 22:54:57 * jflory7 imagines the hundreds of comments the article will get about installing Fedora 22:55:12 Also maybe name change on it too, just to avoid accidentally coming off derogatory 22:55:21 The other part of me on the installation article says, "If you can't do this without an article plus our guide, we're Doing It Wrong" 22:55:34 Wait! 22:55:40 oops, s/plus our guide/ 22:56:11 Is Neville or Moreno? 22:56:14 I'm getting confused 22:56:20 Kohane: Moreno wrote the article, Neville is the subject 22:56:37 stickster: Admittedly, true, but I can see many people who maybe are looking to try Linux / Fedora and wanting to see a guide. 22:57:18 There's the debate over article versus wiki too 22:57:20 Newcomers instead of dummies? 22:57:20 jflory7: Yes, agreed. But we have an Installation Guide already, and they should use that. 22:57:33 https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/Installation_Guide/index.html 22:57:35 Kohane: Yeah, I like that rewording 22:57:38 stickster: Touché. 22:58:02 stickster: I'm confused but leave it. 22:58:07 Hmmm, I think it might be thinking it's best to defer to the docs too 22:58:09 Because that's already (1) detailed, (2) covers concepts we have no space for in a single article, and (3) is already maintained and updated by the Docs team. 22:58:17 An article can become outdated 22:58:22 jflory7: For sure. 22:58:28 And might accidentally become the thing people by default turn to 22:58:36 Would be better to make that thing the official, maintained docs 22:58:59 So, with those thoughts in mind, I think I will actually vote -1 on the pitch 22:59:00 The article won't have links to doc/wiki? 22:59:01 jflory7: Look at that scope... it's a mess. "VERY detailed installation instructions and LOTS of screenshots of Anaconda" 22:59:18 jflory7: That's the recipe for being outdated in 6 months or less 22:59:33 Kohane: It could, but the Installation Guide already does what this article wants to do 22:59:52 it's duplicative... I would rather suggest this writer get with the Docs team and work with them on the Guide 23:00:06 Then discard it. 23:00:12 The article I mean 23:00:12 -1 on this pitch from me 23:00:54 Feel a little guilty since I encouraged the article when the author was last at a meeting, but I hadn't thought of it in retrospect with our existing documentation and the accidental message that might send. 23:01:25 sure, no one can know all the things :-) 23:01:38 I happen to be an ex-Docs guy so I know their pain firsthand 23:01:54 Oops, jflory7 we need to wrap this up, I have to run in a minute or two 23:02:02 I think an article is more visible than doc and could work for redirecting to the right pages 23:02:16 Kohane: So maybe an article that tells people where to find the Installation Gudie? 23:02:19 Guide 23:02:21 stickster: Just noticed we're over too 23:02:45 I think we did do everything - I will do a final schedule proposal and then call it? 23:02:48 that would be better than the current pitch... jflory7, would you be open to talking with the writer about a revamp? 23:02:51 Stickster: like something quick and a list of links below for more details 23:02:53 jflory7: Sounds good 23:03:03 Yes, I can do that, if you can #action me real fast 23:03:12 Kohane: that seems better 23:03:15 yup 23:03:44 #action jflory7 talk to writer of installation pitch about reframing this as a pointer to the official Installation Guide and other resxources 23:03:47