14:07:39 <pbokoc> #startmeeting Fedora Docs
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14:07:56 <pbokoc> #chair randomuser
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14:08:15 <pbokoc> #topic Roll Call
14:08:21 * Capesteve waves
14:09:58 * jhradilek waves.
14:09:58 * kirsti waves
14:10:37 <pbokoc> oh hi kirsti, I haven't seen you around recently :)
14:10:59 <kirsti> pbokoc, no sorry, been lurking in the back ground
14:13:18 <pbokoc> theeere they are
14:13:27 * randomuser arrives
14:14:27 <pbokoc> kirsti, I didn't mean it as "where the hell have you been" :) just as "good to see you again"
14:14:46 <pbokoc> anyway, randomuser, will you take it from here?
14:14:54 <randomuser> ah, I suppose
14:15:00 <kirsti> I realize that yes :)
14:15:23 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on action itmes
14:15:26 <randomuser> ugh
14:15:27 <randomuser> #undo
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14:15:33 <randomuser> #topic Follow up on action items
14:15:49 <randomuser> #info randomuser did not create poll for meeting schedule
14:16:02 <randomuser> #action randomuser to create poll for meeting schedule
14:16:39 <randomuser> #topic Release Schedule checkin
14:16:41 <pbokoc> well, that's for the best, there's at least 2 new people here, I think it's better if they vote too
14:16:50 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule
14:16:59 <randomuser> #info branch is in three weeks
14:17:27 <randomuser> There are change proposals under discussion too
14:17:59 <randomuser> nothing on the docs tasks calendar yet, but be prepared
14:18:26 <randomuser> and like pbokoc said...
14:18:35 <randomuser> #topic New Writers
14:18:42 <pbokoc> I don't think we need to worry about anything right now. Beta release is currently scheduled for May 3, so we'll need to worry about release notes a few weeks before, but that's 3 months from now anyway
14:18:44 <randomuser> we have new folks!
14:18:51 <pbokoc> wooooo
14:19:49 <randomuser> any questions from new folks?
14:19:53 <kirsti> though I am not new, I might be wanting a new mentor...
14:20:20 <pbokoc> (that means now's your time to speak up, cspicer & msvistun - especially if you want help signing up for FAS or something like that)
14:20:26 <cspicer1> :) <-- new folk
14:20:51 <msvistun> randomuser: I am one of the new folks! Could you please give me the necessary rights to work with Fedora docs repos? To boost my credibility, I write the docs for RHEL.
14:21:09 <msvistun> pbokoc: y thx for the guidance :)
14:21:20 <randomuser> sorry, I forget vim keybindings don't work in IRC sometimes...
14:21:45 <randomuser> msvistun, cspicer1, yes, I can help get you the right permissions
14:22:00 <randomuser> do you have FAS accounts yet?
14:22:07 <cspicer1> well i suppose my question would be: how can we find out what needs doing, and what do we need to do to get it done
14:22:58 <cspicer1> yep I've got one
14:23:26 <randomuser> for the most part, you take up work on your own cognizance; we would need a larger group with more engagement to have a steady supply of work waiting
14:24:04 * jsmith shows up late... sorry
14:24:19 <randomuser> otherwise, we have a product in rhbz with bugs filed
14:24:21 <Capesteve> cspicer1: One tip that jhradilek always mentions, when contacting developers,  is to get into the habit of asking developers if a change applies to Fedora XX as well as RHEL YY
14:24:54 <pbokoc> you could, for example, fix the checksum verification procedure for Windows in the Install Guide O:)
14:25:03 <msvistun> randomuser: is FAS account this? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/msvistunov
14:25:07 <cspicer1> lol
14:25:34 <randomuser> heh
14:25:49 <randomuser> I intend to take care of that, cspicer1.  It's my mess, I should clean it up.
14:26:00 <randomuser> msvistun, yeah, that's the one
14:26:23 <cspicer1> do you happen to have a link to the product on rhbz?
14:26:51 <randomuser> yeah, we'll go over it later but the link is in the meeting agenda
14:26:57 <pbokoc> kirsti, as for mentoring I have no idea... I don't really have much spare time. You could always just mail the list with any questions, or ask in #fedora-docs
14:27:11 * jflory7 is switching between windows, but doesn't want to forget and has a topic for discussion once open floor rolls around.
14:27:16 <pbokoc> at least for now
14:28:04 <kirsti> pbokoc, ok, will keep an eye out, and ask
14:28:06 <randomuser> I'll assume you folks are familiar with a git based collaborative workflow and set up your memberships because pbokoc said so
14:28:08 <randomuser> :)
14:28:46 <randomuser> but please, if you're working on something, commit at the end of the session instead of the end of the quarter, or you risk community folks doing a ton of redundant work
14:29:21 <cspicer1> sure
14:29:40 <randomuser> are you dcspicer, cspicer1
14:29:41 <randomuser> ?
14:29:55 <cspicer1> no.. on FAS? i'll find a link
14:30:13 <randomuser> ok, let me know
14:30:35 <randomuser> pbokoc and jhradilek can do this too, if we need to take care of it later
14:30:35 <cspicer1> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/view/cspicer
14:31:02 <randomuser> cool
14:31:11 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status
14:31:30 <randomuser> well, hm...
14:31:41 * jhradilek has a question.
14:31:47 <randomuser> #action randomuser to remove powershell fail from IG
14:32:19 <randomuser> unless you're really attached to it, cspicer1, that's been a pile of fail since I first contrived it
14:32:31 <randomuser> jhradilek, go!
14:33:08 <jhradilek> randomuser: What do we do with bugs that belong to a writer who is no longer part of the Fedora Documentation Project?
14:33:30 <randomuser> reassign them
14:33:47 <cspicer1> certainly not really attached to powershell :)
14:34:12 <randomuser> if there's a new maintainer, they go there; if not, we should discuss the guide's future
14:34:45 <jhradilek> To whom?
14:35:07 <randomuser> to the loudest volunteer?
14:35:22 <jhradilek> Laura Novich's Bugzilla account has been disabled earlier last month and since I was her manager, her bugs are now assigned to me.
14:35:29 <jhradilek> And I don't want them. :))
14:35:29 * randomuser nods
14:35:52 <randomuser> heh, ok.  These are for the virt guides?  I think we should consider retiring them
14:36:09 <randomuser> the getting started guide is good, the rest wasn't ever really targeted for Fedora comfortably
14:36:49 <msvistun> randomuser: I seem to have been added to this Contributor Group, but not approved. Something I should do?
14:37:13 <msvistun> randomuser: to this https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/docs?_csrf_token=44a01824f287212b07554e9654b1480eb15224ad
14:37:14 <randomuser> msvistun, I'm just preoccupied because it's monday morning
14:37:24 <msvistun> randomuser: sure, no pressure
14:37:40 <randomuser> msvistun, what will you write, btw?
14:38:18 <randomuser> jhradilek, do you know about owners.git to reset the default assignee for a fedora docs book?
14:38:46 <jhradilek> randomuser: Yup. You will see my name on some of the commits. :)
14:39:11 <randomuser> cool
14:39:16 <msvistun> randomuser: the prime motivation was to be able to submit random fixes. I discover them when I read the Fedora docs. Otherwise, I am not sure what I will write. But if you mean in terms of 'which guide', then it's the SysAdmin guide.
14:41:54 <randomuser> ok, I see.  I just assumed you had a specific thing, it's not required or even really expected.
14:44:10 <randomuser> well this topic has gone quiet.. let's move on
14:44:18 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:44:23 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:44:56 <msvistun> randomuser: for the time being, I intend to send patch proposals to the respective guide owners. pkovar recommended this approach. I expect I will be communicating with StephenW the most, as he owns the SysAdmin guide.
14:46:06 <randomuser> good call, he is a cheerful and wise correspondent
14:46:45 <Capesteve> msvistun: we could also just meet over coffee to go through changes, might be quicker then making, sending, and applying patches
14:46:50 <randomuser> so, there's the bugs.  Communicate if you need help.
14:47:30 <cspicer1> thanks, will take a look
14:48:04 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:48:44 <kirsti> not sure if I even dare ask....
14:49:02 <kirsti> Do we still have a conversation going about personas?
14:49:07 <randomuser> we're plowing through the meeting time and I get the sense that we're not covering everything we should for the new folks, but it does sound like our veterans in Brno are taking good care of them.
14:50:00 <randomuser> I've been tabling the personas thing; I don't want the idea to die, but it's not currently relevant.
14:50:08 <randomuser> jflory7, open floor?
14:50:18 <jflory7> Yes!
14:50:40 <kirsti> randomuser, I have been adding to the idea in the virtual getting started page though
14:50:41 <Capesteve> kirsti: I thought that was a bit complicated, can we not just agree on target audience?
14:51:04 <kirsti> Capesteve, that works yes
14:51:13 <pbokoc> I thought the point of developing personas was to agree on a target audience :)
14:51:13 <jflory7> I wanted to ask the Docs team about something CommOps has been working on with other groups in the Project. We're helping sub-projects put together a 2015 "Year in Review" article that explain some of the highlights of 2015 and goal(s) of 2016.
14:51:17 <jflory7> See announcement: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/share-your-year-in-review-with-fedora/
14:51:24 <jflory7> See examples: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tag/year-in-review-2015/
14:51:38 <randomuser> ugh
14:51:40 <pbokoc> oh jeez
14:52:32 <randomuser> I don't really want to touch that, but I get the sense that someone's going to have to
14:52:37 <jflory7> The writing part shouldn't be that difficult -- they can be as a short or as long as the group wants. There's a few easy templates on the first link that should make it more along the lines of filling in the blank.
14:53:37 <randomuser> what's the publishing schedule like, jflory7 ?
14:53:41 <jflory7> We want to help make it as easy and straightforward for you guys as possible. :)
14:53:48 <randomuser> what's the deadline for our bit?
14:54:02 <jflory7> randomuser: It's flexible, so there is not a specific due date. By the absolute latest, maybe by the end of month, but sooner, the better.
14:54:17 <randomuser> ok.  bexelbie will write something up
14:54:44 <jflory7> Sounds great -- feel free to ping me or ask in #fedora-commops if you have any other questions!
14:54:51 * jflory7 has to check out
14:54:52 <randomuser> will do.
14:54:55 <jflory7> Thanks guys!
14:55:04 * randomuser elbow jabs bexelbie
14:55:15 <randomuser> hehe, you're stuck with it now !
14:55:32 <pbokoc> haha
14:56:47 <randomuser> cspicer1, msvistun, you've found #fedora-docs and our list, right?
14:57:08 <cspicer1> yep - still need to write an introduction mail on the list
14:57:10 <randomuser> and is there anything else?
14:58:27 <randomuser> okay, we'll call it a day then, see you around
14:58:30 <randomuser> #endmeeting