01:58:39 #startmeeting FAmNA 01:58:39 Meeting started Fri Feb 19 01:58:39 2016 UTC. The chair is jflory7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:58:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:58:39 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:58:46 #meetingname FAmNA 01:58:46 The meeting name has been set to 'famna' 01:58:51 #topic === FAmNA Roll Call === 01:58:54 .hello jflory7 01:58:55 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 01:58:57 Hi there 01:58:59 .hello linuxmodder 01:59:00 linuxmodder: Sorry, but you don't exist 01:59:03 o/ 01:59:05 #chair wrnash 01:59:05 Current chairs: jflory7 wrnash 01:59:06 .hello corey84 01:59:07 linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' 01:59:09 #chair linuxmodder 01:59:09 Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodder wrnash 01:59:37 cydrobolt, you around? 02:00:00 .hello nb 02:00:01 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 02:00:02 danofsatx, you around ? 02:00:12 #chair nb 02:00:12 Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodder nb wrnash 02:01:17 welcome nb 02:01:38 Evening all! 02:01:47 As a reminder, Andrew is unable to make it to tonight's meeting 02:01:48 linuxmodder, .hello yourfasusername 02:02:02 nb, fas is corey84 02:02:06 oh you did 02:02:07 irc is linuxmodder 02:02:08 nevermind sorry 02:02:26 We'll wait around a few more minutes for some others to show up. 02:02:31 kk4ewt, ping 02:02:31 nb: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 02:02:32 Southern_Gentlem, ping 02:02:34 nb: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 02:02:49 this hour is kk4ewt jflory7 02:03:03 work hours is southern after hours is kk 02:03:07 true 02:03:10 hey all 02:03:15 cydrobolt: o/ 02:03:18 #chair cydrobolt 02:03:18 Current chairs: cydrobolt jflory7 linuxmodder nb wrnash 02:03:22 hi 02:03:28 o/ jflory7 02:03:37 cydrobolt, evening 02:04:14 linuxmodder, evening 02:04:50 Let's go ahead and get rolling 02:04:51 #topic === Announcements === 02:04:59 I have three announcements to share: 02:05:41 #info decause recently attended the Women in Technology, New York event in January. He wrote an event report on the Community Blog documenting the event. 02:05:43 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/witny-2016-event-report/ 02:06:30 #info Today, new announcements were made about Flock 2016 talk submissions and lodging info. If you are considering going to Flock 2016 this year, please read more about the latest announcement. 02:06:31 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/flock-2016-update-submissions-and-lodging/ 02:06:42 And lastly: 02:07:08 .hello decause 02:07:09 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 02:07:39 #info BrickHack 2016 now has a badge designed for the event. This badge will be awarded to anyone who walks up to the booth and scans a QR code. Using this, it will be easy to track how many students at the hackathon have FAS accounts (and see if they continue to contribute to Fedora after BrickHack) 02:07:42 #link https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/brickhack-2016-attendee 02:07:47 That's all the announcements from me. 02:07:52 Anyone else have anything to add? 02:07:58 hey decause 02:08:02 #chair decause 02:08:02 Current chairs: cydrobolt decause jflory7 linuxmodder nb wrnash 02:08:05 ANNOUNCEMENT: Pens have arrived at the residence of StabbyMc 02:08:09 :) 02:08:12 nb, :) 02:08:15 we still haven't paid for them 02:08:18 but they have arrived 02:08:31 I will be sending him labels to ship them to me and paradoxguitarist and jbwillia 02:08:57 #info Fedora pens have also arrived at StabbyMc's residence – these will be sent to nb, ParadoxGuitarist, and jbwillia for distribution soon. 02:09:06 nb++ Thanks for the info! 02:09:11 Any other announcements? 02:09:17 nb: I think I have found a way to pay for these 02:09:26 nb: can you send me the vendor info plz 02:10:00 Final call for announcements, going once-- 02:10:10 Going twice-- 02:10:15 Going thrice-- 02:10:20 #topic === Tickets === 02:10:27 #link https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 02:10:35 Tonight's meeting is pretty full of tickets, we'll have a lot to cover 02:10:54 decause, yes, thanks 02:11:07 Some of these tickets may be best to skip over since we have discussed them in the past (e.g. OSCON and Campus Ambassadors). Before going further with tickets, does anyone have objections to skipping over those two tickets? 02:11:11 The links for those two are: 02:11:18 .famnaticket 119 02:11:19 jflory7: #119 (OSCON 2016 booth) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/119 02:11:23 .famnaticket 123 02:11:24 jflory7: #123 (Reviving the Campus Ambassador program) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/123 02:11:42 decause, what is the best email address for you? 02:11:42 Any objections to resuming these tickets at a later meeting? 02:11:48 * nb has 4 different ones in my mail client apparently 02:11:58 * nb agrees with skipping those two 02:12:04 * cydrobolt is ok with that 02:12:08 No issues with me 02:12:21 Okay then -- I think we'll move on to the other four tickets then. 02:12:42 #info Tickets #119 and #123 have been discussed at prior meeting -- we are skipping those tonight to focus on the other four tickets 02:12:42 nb: decause@redhat 02:12:50 decause, ok 02:12:50 First ticket on for tonight: 02:12:57 .famnaticket 122 02:12:59 jflory7: #122 (Banners for SCALE14x) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/122 02:13:15 Hmm... doesn't appear juggler is around tonight. 02:13:55 He mentioned his hours changed and he might be unable to make meetings for a while. Anyways, the plan for this was to have him ship the Fedora banner to me instead of Andrew so I could use it for BrickHack. 02:14:02 I believe he said Paradox is currently holding the banners 02:14:20 although I do have one more thing with the pens 02:14:22 Without either of them here, I'm not sure what else there is for us to discuss on this one 02:14:26 nb: Sure, go ahead 02:14:29 they sent us invoice for 3k pens, which is about $1,400 02:14:38 and it looks like they probably sent stabbymc 3k pens 02:14:56 which will I think cause a problem with decause paying for them since it's over 1k 02:15:04 although we only told him to order 2k pens for $990 02:15:13 I emailed the vendor back, but haven't heard from them yet 02:15:18 it was a day or two ago that I emailed them 02:16:16 Oh, and for Ticket #122, I think we should also skip over unless Paradox or juggler are able to attend tonight. Otherwise I'll work on this over the next week with them 02:16:35 +1 02:16:43 +1 02:17:15 +1 02:17:43 nb: Once we hear back, definitely should get that on decause's radar 02:18:16 jflory7, i just emailed him the vendor's info 02:18:47 nb: that is a problem 02:18:53 I cannot pay for more than 1K 02:18:57 ... 02:19:01 how did that happen 02:19:21 well, that changes things... 02:19:23 decause, apparently even though I told them to order 2k for $990, he sent us 3k for approx $1,400 02:19:37 I have the emails saved where I specifically told him we had to stay under $1k 02:19:40 that requires a PO, I can't even go out of pocket for that 02:20:08 #info Ticket #122: Need ParadoxGuitarist or juggler to discuss details on getting Fedora banner shipped; if neither make it later tonight, jflory7 will work with them on getting the details finished 02:20:15 decause, I'll email the vendor again 02:20:27 nb: I'm going to open an email loop with jzb and ruth. It does not seem like we're going to get this done before the end of Q4 though 02:20:34 maybe 02:20:42 I am not sure how this works, so we gotta ask now 02:21:00 I was granted permission to use my personal card to make it happen just this one time as long as it was under 1K 02:21:08 so I dunno what to tell you folks now :/ 02:21:23 sorry 02:21:37 decause, I'll try to call vendor tomorrow 02:21:39 nb: can you send me whatever invoice you have, and cc jzb and ruth plz 02:21:55 They didn't answer my email i sent a day or two ago 02:22:05 decause, yeah, i'll send it to all of you 02:22:06 did you send the invoice? Ruth is still out of the country 02:22:13 send it to me, I'll forward it on 02:22:16 I just sent it to you a few minutes ago 02:22:19 ok 02:22:28 * nb had sent an email to the vendor a day or two ago when i got the invoice 02:22:32 saying hey, we didn't order this many 02:22:45 we ordered 3k last time, but that was before finance changed from 2k limit to the 1k limit they have now 02:24:18 Best thing to do I think is call the vendor ASAP tomorrow and see if we can get this sorted. Sounds like you two will be in close contact tomorrow for that. Should we press on to the next ticket? 02:24:34 I just emailed vendor again 02:24:44 jflory7, yeah, go ahead and move on 02:24:48 Alrighty. 02:24:49 * nb will be in contact with decause 02:24:55 .famnaticket 140 02:24:56 jflory7: #140 (Ordering new stickers for the region) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/140 02:25:20 Note: This ticket is going to more planning for the future -- this is likely going to be in the next quarter. 02:25:28 nb: saw the email 02:25:31 But we have price and quantity comparisons in that ticket for sticker vendors. 02:25:40 yeah 02:25:59 * nb proposes we order 7,000 stickers (~$1000) from unixstickers. A mix of just the infinity logo and the fedora+infinity logo ones 02:26:04 If you all will take a look at the sticker vendors in the ticket, we can take a vote on which vendor we want to go with for the next quarter. 02:26:17 * nb has heard spot has said the quality is very good and i think it would be nice to go with our partner 02:26:20 nb, I like that idea 02:26:21 The best two options definitely seem to be either UnixStickers and Costco. 02:26:29 Yes, UnixStickers is also our partner 02:26:30 o/ 02:26:35 #chair juggler 02:26:35 Current chairs: cydrobolt decause jflory7 juggler linuxmodder nb wrnash 02:26:41 they are slightly more expensive than costco, but I think we should go with unixstickers anyway 02:26:47 * juggler was stuck in traffic, grr.. 02:26:49 Evening, juggler! We have a specific item to discuss with you about the banners, we'll jump back to it after this ticket. 02:27:00 juggler: For now, take a look here: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/140 02:27:09 We're discussing our sticker vendor for next quarter 02:27:44 ah 02:27:53 I think UnixStickers is probably the best choice as well. It would be nice to support our partner and we also have known feedback on the sticker quality. 02:28:07 jflory7, I like unixstickers better than costco 02:28:12 juggler, i proposed we go with 7k stickers for approx $1k (not to exceed $1,000). mix of the normal infinity logo we usually get, plus fedora+infinity log 02:28:19 I think we can go ahead and put it to vote, then 02:28:25 Yes, important detail about what stickers we're ordering 02:28:38 aka fedora_infinity.svg and fedora_logo.svg 02:28:47 3,500 will be just the teardrop, infinity logo, the other 3,500 would be the full logo with text and infinity bubble at the end 02:28:48 if you are looking at the logos on the fedora logo guidelines page 02:28:50 is unixstickers = stickermule or are they two different companies? 02:28:57 juggler: Different companies, I believe. 02:29:01 juggler: they are different, yes 02:29:06 ah 02:29:37 i haven't worked with stickermule, but they (along with unixstickers) provided stickers to SCaLE. something to consider, maybe? 02:29:46 my 2 cents :) 02:29:52 * decause has gone with stickermule in the past 02:29:56 the quality was very good 02:30:06 Unixstickers will likely give us the best deal though 02:30:06 juggler: I think cydrobolt got a quote from StickerMule? 02:30:12 I /think/ someone did pricing with them already 02:30:13 I can't remember if that was who he checked with or not 02:30:52 do the pricequotes include prices for a keycap replacer sticker? 02:31:01 decause, unixstickers said they would normally produce about 5k stickers for 1,000 but they'd give us 7k since we were a partner 02:31:03 juggler: They do not. 02:31:09 ok, just a thought 02:31:18 I did 02:31:24 Stickermule is rather expensive 02:31:30 a few folks want to do away with their key-of-shame lol 02:31:32 juggler: We may already have some, I know nb said we have plenty of case stickers 02:31:34 I think only ~3k for $1k? 02:31:43 jflory7, we do not have keyboard stickers 02:31:47 we haven't had them in years 02:31:48 not a case sticker...a sticker that covers the winkey 02:31:50 cydrobolt: Okay, that's what I thought -- thanks for clarifying. 02:32:00 nb: Maybe a good idea to see if we can do a three-way split? 02:32:12 jflory7, how about go ahead and order the reg stickers 02:32:16 order keyboard stickers later? 02:32:22 correction, WIN-key (!) 02:32:30 not much later, but a separate order 02:32:33 then we can get more 02:32:41 Sounds good to me, for now 02:32:43 since i think our problem usually is the being able to pay for it, not the finding budget 02:32:55 We can stick with the original proposed order of 50% full logo, 50% infinity 02:33:01 jflory7, +1 02:33:03 With this in mind, I think we can put this to vote: 02:33:14 * nb definately woul like keyboard stickers, but in a separate order 02:33:25 All in favor of ordering 3,500 full logo stickers, 3,500 infinity stickers from UnixStickers.com for ~1k? 02:33:26 +1 02:33:30 +1 02:33:32 +1 02:33:48 +1 02:34:02 +1 02:34:16 #agreed For our next sticker order, we will go with UnixStickers, a partner of Fedora, for 3,500 infinity stickers and 3,500 full logo stickers for just under $1,000 02:34:19 * nb would plan on this being in Q1 and jflory7 coordinate with unixstickers and rsuehle to get them paid for. 02:34:35 #action jflory7 Update Ticket #140 with chosen ticket vendor, follow up with UnixStickers.com tonight 02:34:40 since ruth will be back then and can pay with her red hat cc 02:34:52 Sounds like a plan to me for now. 02:34:55 Let's move onto the next ticket 02:34:58 This one should be quick 02:35:06 .famnaticket 141 02:35:08 jflory7: #141 (What groups should have permissions to FAmNA trac?) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/141 02:35:13 please make sure it is under $1K plz 02:35:14 This one has some info behind it. 02:35:18 decause, yeah 02:35:21 decause++ 02:35:36 The past few weeks, the FAmNA Trac has been dealing with constant spambots making tickets 02:35:52 jflory7, make sure unixstickers understands final invoice must be $999 or under 02:35:54 plz 02:36:07 * nb proposes you must be in ambassadors group to file ticket in FAmNA trac 02:36:12 and famnarequests trac 02:36:19 To stop these bots, danofsatx found a way to limit filing tickets to FAS groups 02:36:26 jflory7, oh, good 02:36:26 we occasionally have tickets from other special requests, but they could be handled via email 02:36:29 He limited it to membership in the Ambassadors group only 02:36:30 that could help a great deal 02:36:38 The idea was if we wanted to add any other groups to the list 02:36:42 ambassadors 02:36:45 or we could do CLA+1? 02:36:46 The only one I could think of was Campus Ambassadors. 02:36:56 cydrobolt: Oh, hmmm... I'm not sure if we can do CLA+1 02:37:02 oh, hmmm 02:37:08 cydrobolt, can't easily do CLA+1 02:37:12 let's do only ambassadors, then. 02:37:16 add campusamb sounds good 02:37:19 I forgot what exactly danofsatx did. I'm not sure if we could use a wild card or if he explicitly stated the Ambassadors group 02:37:36 So, to make this a quick resolution, here's what I propose: 02:38:02 We agree to keep the limitation in place to be a member of the Ambassadors FAS group to file a Trac ticket, but Campus Ambassadors should also be added for permissions to create a ticket 02:38:03 +1 02:38:22 +1 02:38:34 +1 02:38:37 +1 02:38:47 have we made sure that it works for non-admin ambassadors? 02:38:48 unbelievable that ppl are writing ticketbots...*shakes head* 02:38:56 * nb is not sure from what i saw in the admin panel 02:39:02 decause, nb: Yes, I will definitely definitely make sure UnixStickers understands it needs to be under $1k 02:39:04 nb: We did test it. 02:39:11 jflory7, oh ok 02:39:21 this spambot situation reminds me of ole' phpbb 02:39:25 juggler: Yeah, we were surprised to. 02:39:33 #agreed We agree to keep the limitation in place to be a member of the Ambassadors FAS group to file a Trac ticket, but Campus Ambassadors should also be added for permissions to create a ticket 02:39:39 #nick danofsatx 02:39:48 jflory7, i will add campusamb now 02:40:00 nb: Perfect! Was about to action danofsatx, but if you can do it, go for it :) 02:40:11 With that, let's hit the final ticket 02:40:15 .famnaticket 131 02:40:16 jflory7: #131 (BrickHack 2016) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/131 02:40:25 jflory7, are we going over bitcamp today? 02:40:28 There is some new info on this ticket 02:40:35 cydrobolt: Oh, shoot, link me to the ticket really fast, please 02:40:38 I'll add it it in 02:40:42 one sec 02:41:18 * decause will def be at brickhacks 02:41:24 just booked a ticket 02:41:46 #info Ticket 131: BrickHack planning is in progress. A badge was created for attendees to scan. Fedora logo added to BrickHack site. Planning for Open Source category is in progress. However, discussion about prizes from Fedora needs to happen tonight. 02:41:58 decause++ I'll update your status on the wiki :) 02:42:05 jflory7, https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/139 02:42:06 #info permission for campusambassadors added 02:42:40 So, if you look at the ticket for BrickHack, you'll see there's a lot of new comments 02:42:53 As the Open Source category sponsor, we are expected to provide prizes for participants 02:43:15 I contacted jsmith earlier today about seeing if Bluehost could provide free hosting plans, and they are able to do that 02:43:30 So we will have free Bluehost plan(s) to award to participants 02:43:36 However, we should also get some physical prizes 02:43:43 A few suggestions are listed in the ticket right now. 02:43:50 jflory7, how much $$ do you think you will need? 02:43:56 However, the list of items could grow or expand as we get a little closer to the event. 02:44:01 nb: That's what I was hoping to discuss. 02:44:11 I'm thinking maybe a ballpark estimate of $200 just for prize funds 02:44:30 * nb proposes allow $250 for prize items 02:44:30 This could for Raspberry Pis, maker boxes, and other open source-oriented prizes and goodies 02:44:40 nb: I have no disagreement with that 02:44:59 with the provision that jflory7 may ask for more if needed, but try to stay at that amount 02:45:21 I think it's a good limit to start with 02:45:44 Does anyone else have any comments on a prize budget proposal or maybe some specific prizes we could give out for the event before we go to voting? 02:46:04 how many prizes do we need? 02:46:25 nb: It depends on what quantity of which things we order. 02:46:37 decause and I have been discussing some potential prize additions too 02:46:42 But we're still playing with options 02:46:48 For now, it's safe to say a few Raspberry Pis 02:46:51 jflory7, in regards to these prizes 02:46:55 for small prizes, stylus pen combos and flashlights were a hot item at SCaLE 02:47:16 I think it would be good to limit them to a smaller number, and to not overestimate the amount of contributions/participants 02:47:37 We're also trying to see if we can get some promotional materials around The Open Organization and maybe more? Depends on how things go with planning with a few contacts at RIT as well. 02:47:50 From what I've seen personally in past hackathons, people are more enticed by one small bigger prize than prizes that are distributed 02:48:03 cydrobolt, good point 02:48:09 cydrobolt: Right. decause and I also discussed and we think it would be better to provide Fedora as an option for people to hack onto but not to solely limit that as the scope of the entire category 02:48:20 true 02:48:25 * nb doesn't think we should limit to just fedora 02:48:44 Yeah. So some of the rules listed in the ticket now will be rewritten to reflect that. 02:48:54 I'm in the process of helping work on that part. 02:48:54 Especially at a hackathon of ~400, I often see a lot of people with 1) no hack 2) no interest/capability to participate in sponsor prizes 02:49:20 Despite this, I think it's a really awesome idea to promote Fedora and attempt to get more people interested 02:49:26 cydrobolt: Any ideas on a big ticket prize we could maybe snag for ~$150-$200? 02:49:37 I like the idea of a big ticket prize to draw people in too 02:49:49 We'll also have the Bluehost plan(s) to give away too 02:49:50 jflory7, silly prizes/attention-getters also catch people's eye 02:50:04 I know that a certain organisation gives people large amounts of tacos for their sponsor prizes each time 02:50:06 I agree, but I've had a hard time brainstorming specific ideas for some. :) 02:50:07 Oh! 02:50:23 * nb wonders if we could make a "brickhack winner" badge 02:50:30 There was one decause was going to see if we could acquire, it's a company run by a former RIT alumni. http://thimble.io/ 02:50:36 nb: ...that would be cool! 02:50:56 nb: yes, that would be very very cool 02:51:01 maybe the current brickhack badge + a ribbon on top 02:51:03 or something 02:51:04 yeah for brickhack, would it be possible to make a flockroom for day-tracks maybe? 02:51:10 jflory7, oh! 02:51:18 I've met the Hackster person at HackRU before! 02:51:22 If someone could design it, i can push it 02:51:26 (or decause can too) 02:51:36 * nb just got badges access today :) 02:51:42 nb++ 02:51:46 nb: I might be able to spin something up 02:51:49 nb++ 02:51:49 juggler: Karma for nb changed to 20 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 02:51:51 I did my first badge for the BrickHack one :P 02:51:53 threebean was looking for folks to help pick up the slack, so good on you 02:51:59 jflory7, i shiould give you the badge artist one 02:52:05 What about something like 02:52:06 http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ijgi/ 02:52:07 although i think riecatnor normally awards it 02:52:29 decause, you can direct him to me too ;) 02:53:02 nb: Oh, yeah, I forgot about that -- is it a manually awarded badge? 02:53:08 yes 02:53:17 riecatnor normally does it i think 02:53:22 but i'm trying to look up the badge name 02:53:42 jflory7, in terms of hacking on Fedora at BrickHacks, I'll keep an eye out over the weekend and help merge/provide feedback to items 02:53:46 nb: https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/apprentice-badge-artist-i https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/badge-muse-badges-released-i ? 02:53:59 cydrobolt: That would be *awesome* 02:54:00 aha 02:54:23 Okay, so we have five minutes left for this meeting... let's put the budget provision to vote. 02:54:58 Proposed: Add an additional $250.00 to the proposed budget for prizes to give to BrickHack winning participants in the Open Source category (prizes to be decided soon) 02:55:11 jflory7, 02:55:11 You awarded apprentice-badge-artist-i to jflory7@fedoraproject.org 02:55:29 * nb may be able to go to brickhack but need budget if i do go 02:55:35 nb: Excellent -- think you could do the Badge Muse I too? :) 02:55:35 * nb is still trying to figure out if i can 02:55:41 jflory7, yrah, in a few minutes 02:55:52 plane ticket would be $500-600. plus hotel 02:55:56 nb: Okay, sounds good... do you think you could put together how much you think it would cost for you to travel on the wiki page? 02:56:18 jflory7, yeah, i can add it, i was waiting until i figured out for sure if i was going 02:56:19 nb: Ahh, good -- if we can have an approximate number for you by Monday morning, that would be best 02:56:27 sounds good. 02:56:34 but i would like to get approval tonight so i can make plans for sure 02:56:46 Okay, so let's vote on two things then: 02:57:04 Proposed: Add an additional $250.00 to the proposed budget for prizes to give to BrickHack winning participants in the Open Source category (prizes to be decided soon); also approving travel expenses for nb to attend BrickHack, schedule permitting 02:57:10 +1 02:57:14 +1 02:57:25 +1 to brickhack prizes, I abstain from voting for my own travel :) 02:57:42 +1 02:57:47 #action jflory7 / nb Look into creating a "BrickHack Winner" badge to give to participants 02:57:52 +1 02:58:02 +1 02:58:25 nb, where are you flying in from? 02:58:29 cydrobolt, evv 02:58:50 BrickHack conversation? 02:58:52 not that much flight options, plus scheduling won't let me pick the cheapest which would be $450 or so 02:58:54 #agreed Add an additional $250.00 to the proposed budget for prizes to give to BrickHack winning participants in the Open Source category (prizes to be decided soon); also approving travel expenses for nb to attend BrickHack, schedule permitting 02:58:55 cprofitt, yes 02:59:16 cprofitt, current proposal is to approve $250 for brickhack prizes and approve $500-600 for my flight and to pay for my hotel 02:59:16 nb: Can you definitely get that ballpark estimate added to the wiki as soon as possible? 02:59:22 jflory7, yeah, will do that now 02:59:25 * masta looks in 02:59:29 and will figure out in the next few days if i am going for sure 02:59:30 hey gang, sry late 02:59:40 nb: I can't say for sure we will get it approved but having a total net number for your expenses will definitely need to be there first thing Monday 02:59:46 heading out shortly here for my next meeting 02:59:57 cprofitt: Hi! We just finished on discussing BrickHack. I can get you up to speed in a minute, though. 03:00:00 not sure if my reimbursement ticket has gone through, but i hope it does... 03:00:04 That's all the tickets for tonight... 03:00:07 #topic Open Floor 03:00:11 nb, try skiplagged 03:00:14 jflory7, can we go over bitcamp 03:00:22 cydrobolt: Oh, shoot, I forgot 03:00:23 #undo 03:00:23 Removing item from minutes: 03:00:48 jflory7, i thought we just got it approved? 03:00:48 .famnaticket 139 03:00:50 jflory7: #139 (Bitcamp 2016 Spring Sponsorship Funds) – FAmNA General Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/139 03:00:52 * nb is confused 03:01:07 nb: We were actually going to vote on Bitcamp tonight... we deferred it last week. 03:01:15 cydrobolt: When is our first deadline? 03:01:15 good seeing you all. i'll leave my IRC light on for you for any addl msgs. good night! 03:01:21 I'm wondering if we can fit this into next week 03:01:29 juggler: Have a good rest of your evening! 03:01:39 #chair mailga 03:01:39 Current chairs: cydrobolt decause jflory7 juggler linuxmodder mailga nb wrnash 03:01:41 #unchair mailga 03:01:41 Current chairs: cydrobolt decause jflory7 juggler linuxmodder nb wrnash 03:01:43 #chair masta 03:01:43 Current chairs: cydrobolt decause jflory7 juggler linuxmodder masta nb wrnash 03:01:45 jflory7, I'm trying to get things set more concretely if possible 03:01:53 likewise jflory7! 03:01:56 masta: Hey there! We're about to close out in a bit. :P 03:01:59 jflory7, oh, i thought you were talking about my travel for brickhack 03:02:09 jflory7, ok, I'll read the logs 03:02:19 when you said you can't say for sure we will get it approved 03:02:25 * nb shuts up so we can move on to bitcamp :) 03:02:49 nb: Oh -- I mean to say that I'm not sure on final details for the budget... can discuss in main channel afterwards with you. 03:02:53 jflory7, I'm hoping that we could talk about Bitcamp tonight so that I can take a look at HackRU otherwise :) 03:03:19 We discussed Bitcamp last week, but we didn't vote on it that time 03:03:24 jflory7, ok 03:03:38 Here is the wiki article: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bitcamp_Spring_2016 03:04:22 Let's make this our final item tonight before closing out. 03:04:36 cydrobolt: So we're looking at sponsoring the event for $1000 in total? 03:04:57 jflory7, right 03:05:20 Would we need to go through POs? 03:05:25 nb, ? ^ 03:05:36 cydrobolt, probably need to ask decause 03:05:50 decause, is it $1000 and over requires PO, or "over $1,000" 03:05:54 You probably would 03:05:59 i.e. does $1,000 exactly require a PO 03:06:05 I would think, anyways 03:06:06 I can ask them about $999 03:06:16 It would probably not be an issue 03:06:23 cydrobolt: I think that might be a question for Ruth when she returns next week 03:06:23 cydrobolt, yeah, if they'd let us sponsor for $999 it'd make it easier probably :) 03:06:35 Probably not a bad idea to just vote on $999 for now. 03:06:49 Let's do $999 03:06:54 I think that would be fine 03:07:03 Okay, so let's put this to vote: 03:07:07 cydrobolt, your dates are wrong in ticket 03:07:18 +1 to $999 or 03:07:22 +1 to $999 or $1,000 03:07:25 FAmNA approves sponsorship of Bitcamp for a sponsorship cost of $999 03:07:27 whichever works best 03:07:29 +1 03:07:39 +1 03:07:39 +1 03:07:49 +1 03:07:52 cydrobolt, and dates on wiki say 2015 03:07:56 +1 03:08:02 +1 03:08:03 nb, should be 2016, my bad! 03:08:24 I really think these kind of events are the type that we need to focus on... it's hard for me to really give a full +1 on this because I have no idea what the FAmNA budget is looking like for the next quarter, but regardless, I think these are the kind of events that have a large impact and that we can really show we are having an impact at 03:08:46 * nb thinks we can go ahead and approve it. budget always comes through 03:09:10 but i think this is important. i think these type of events are better even sometimes than traditional linuxfests 03:09:23 A CommOps member recently put together some metrics about attendees at FOSDEM, over in Europe. She tracked the participation of the people who scanned the booth badge at FOSDEM, and she discovered they actually did have increased activity in Fedora after the event. Some of which were people with inactive accounts who came back to Fedora after FOSDEM. 03:09:52 *These* are the kind of things we need to be able to show from events. So, I justify my +1 on Bitcamp for these reasons, despite not having a real idea on the budgeting... 03:10:05 cydrobolt, that will definitely be a task for you to tackle on this one. 03:10:14 However, feel free to ping me for any help with the planning 03:10:27 jflory7, yeah 03:10:35 And the rest of FAmNA should be on the alert for the practices that are going into these events too 03:10:56 Tapping into our existing infrastructure, like badges, are great things for events 03:11:06 Anyways, I'll step off my soapbox now. 03:11:15 So, let's approve this and get on with our nights. :) 03:11:25 jflory7 I agree we have to look at events... there are two types 03:11:26 #agreed $999 or $1,000 for Bitcamp sponsorship 03:11:28 #agreed Ticket #139: FAmNA approves sponsorship of Bitcamp for a sponsorship cost of $999 03:11:31 Whoops! 03:11:38 sorry 03:11:42 1) Linux / FOSS events 03:11:42 No worries :) 03:11:48 #undo 03:11:48 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by jflory7 at 03:11:28 : Ticket #139: FAmNA approves sponsorship of Bitcamp for a sponsorship cost of $999 03:11:49 #undo 03:11:49 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by nb at 03:11:26 : $999 or $1,000 for Bitcamp sponsorship 03:11:56 #agreed Ticket #139: FAmNA approves sponsorship of Bitcamp for a sponsorship cost of $999 03:11:58 #topic === Open Floor === 03:12:00 i like yours better :) 03:12:11 2) Non Foss related events (security events, etc) 03:12:22 Works for me. :) 03:12:45 cprofitt: Hmmm... non-FOSS events? 03:12:52 I think security events are something we could make an impact at 03:12:54 jflory7, do we want to vote on travel too for Bitcamp? 03:13:03 or are we deferring that to later 03:13:19 We could potentially market some our lesser-known parts of Fedora too at these kind of things, like the Security Spin 03:13:29 cydrobolt: I think it might be best to get more definite numbers for travel first 03:13:33 Let's defer to next week on that 03:13:35 jflory7, good idea. 03:13:47 Okay. Anything else tonight from anyone? 03:13:59 +1 for closing? 03:14:25 +1 03:14:27 +1 03:14:29 +1 03:14:50 +1 03:15:06 Alright -- I think we'll go ahead and close out. Some people also already headed out too. :) 03:15:10 Thanks for coming out tonight, all! 03:15:11 #endmeeting