14:01:06 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:01:06 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:01:06 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:01:06 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:02:54 <randomuser> #chair pbokoc
14:02:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: pbokoc randomuser
14:03:09 <pbokoc> sup
14:05:20 <randomuser> i'm looking at the poll results
14:05:22 <randomuser> most people can't make it to any meeting ever, it seems :(
14:05:38 <pbokoc> yeah, including this one, apparently
14:06:30 <randomuser> the best slot seems to be our normal slot, sans the DST change we're doing now
14:06:56 <randomuser> especially on wed, thurs, fri
14:06:56 <pbokoc> randomuser, how many people voted on the poll?
14:07:07 <randomuser> eleven
14:07:38 <pbokoc> hm, that's a lot
14:08:19 <randomuser> only one that I don't recognize
14:09:37 <randomuser> I'll respond to myself on the list with a summary, and perhaps give it another week for more responses
14:09:46 <pbokoc> alright
14:11:26 * Capesteve waves
14:11:32 <pbokoc> oh hello Capesteve
14:11:34 <randomuser> good day, Capesteve
14:12:11 <pbokoc> well, I just figured out why nobody was here - half the office was out giving some presentation
14:12:21 <Capesteve> was at a local uni, sorry
14:12:44 <randomuser> fun!  any new recruits?
14:13:01 <Capesteve> about 5 peeps interested
14:13:41 <Capesteve> but the 60 in the room will spread the word
14:14:07 <pbokoc> Capesteve, you should have handed out Fedora beats as a "fun assignment"
14:14:28 <Capesteve> pbokoc: with hindsight, not a bad idea
14:14:33 <pbokoc> everyone writes one - to try it out, of course, not because we don't have people to do it
14:14:58 <Capesteve> the presentation was not as salesy as I would have made it
14:15:10 * randomuser approves
14:15:34 <Southern_Gentlem> randomuser,  adam24 was in the #fedora-ambassador channel and was wondering how to join docs, i noticed you were meeting so i asked him to join
14:15:54 <randomuser> excellent, thank you Southern_Gentlem
14:16:07 <randomuser> and hello, adam24
14:16:12 <pbokoc> perfect
14:16:15 <adam24> thankyou southern_Gentlem for Inviting me
14:16:17 <adam24> hi
14:16:19 <pbokoc> hello adam24!
14:16:26 <adam24> hi pbokoc
14:16:29 <pbokoc> #topic New Members
14:16:58 <Capesteve> hello adam24
14:17:13 <adam24> hi Capesteve
14:17:15 <pbokoc> adam24, now's the perfect time to introduce yourself :)
14:17:22 <adam24> ok
14:18:36 * kirsti joins late
14:18:38 <randomuser> despite going by obvious pseudonyms like 'pbokoc' online, we're real people that are quite approachable, here or in #fedora-docs :)
14:18:48 <adam24> Im Mohammed Adam, from Viluppuram,tamilnadu, India. So Im a FreeSoftware Activist in FreeSoftware Foundation Tamilnadu, FirefoxStudentAmabssador(Senior) in Mozilla. Contributing to Documentation, QA, TechEvangalism, and Marketing too.
14:19:52 <pbokoc> adam24, cool! So you have experience with writing documentation? What kinds of tools were you using? Any specific markup language, build system, version control?
14:19:56 <pbokoc> hi kirsti
14:20:19 <randomuser> Hi Mohammed, I'm Pete - I'm a sysadmin by trade and contribute to Fedora in whichever way my interests, abilities, and time can afford
14:20:29 <randomuser> but now, I have to leave
14:20:39 <randomuser> thanks again for taking charge, pbokoc
14:20:46 <pbokoc> np
14:20:55 <Capesteve> bye Pete
14:21:06 <adam24> so  I used only HTML and xml only, no  tools I used before
14:21:49 * randomuser idly wonders if mozilla might also benefit from a modernized docs platform
14:22:09 <pbokoc> adam24, no worries. Right now, all of Fedora Documentation (the guides you can find on https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/index.html ) are written in DocBook XML and transformed into HTML (and PDF and ePub) using a tool named publican
14:22:26 <adam24> hm ok
14:22:44 <pbokoc> but we're currently debating how to change that. DocBook is pretty hard to get into, so we're looking at markup like ASCIIDoc, Markdown, MediaWiki etc.
14:23:02 <adam24> ok
14:23:28 <pbokoc> adam24, anyway, here's a page with info about how to join the docs project properly - how to get a Fedora account if you don't have one, etc.: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Docs_Project
14:23:33 <pbokoc> (the part under "Yes")
14:24:41 <pbokoc> most importantly, join the fedora-docs mailing list, get a FAS (Fedora Account System) account, and you might want to join the #fedora-docs channel here on FreeNode, that's where we normally hang out
14:24:58 <adam24> ok sure
14:26:00 <pbokoc> if you have any questions, ask around in #fedora-docs. You might not get an answer immediately, depending on the time of day (most of us are in Europe or Americas), but someone should get back to you eventually
14:26:05 <pbokoc> or just use the mailing list, that's ok too
14:26:22 <Capesteve> adam24:  do you have a particular area of interest ?
14:26:36 <Capesteve> or just IT docs in general?
14:27:44 <adam24> no not like that. anything I will give mybest
14:29:07 <pbokoc> adam24, currently the highest priority is to write release notes for Fedora 24. That's a pretty good task for a beginner - you don't need to know any special markup, you can just use the wiki for that - and it's not a big task, more like a set of fairly small tasks
14:29:28 <adam24> ok
14:29:33 <pbokoc> basically we have a list of "Changes" for Fedora 24 (the upcoming release): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/ChangeSet
14:29:55 <pbokoc> and we need to go through the list, find out who's responsible for each Change (it should be on the Wiki)
14:30:09 <adam24> ok
14:30:34 <pbokoc> and talk to that person and figure out 1) if the change will actually make it to F24 (not all of them always do), and 2) what it's about, how it impacts users - and write a couple of paragraphs about it
14:31:06 <pbokoc> I'll send a mail to the fedora-docs list about the workflow later; in the meantime make sure you're subscribed to the list and we'll get you started
14:31:45 <pbokoc> we're probably not going to be doing it for a few more weeks - the Alpha version hasn't come out, we usually try to get *some* release notes for the Beta release and a more complete version for the final release
14:34:14 <pbokoc> well, looks like I scared him off :)
14:36:16 <pbokoc> #topic Release Notes
14:36:55 <pbokoc> we're getting close to F24 Alpha, unless it gets postponed again - it should come out on March 22
14:37:28 <pbokoc> we don't usually produce release notes for Alpha since that's way too soon, but it's not a bad idea to start picking up Changes that interest you
14:38:12 <pbokoc> #info Changes are here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/ChangeSet ; set yourself as Docs Contact on the change's tracker bug if you intend to document one
14:39:10 <pbokoc> Beta should be coming out at the start of May and we'd like to have Changes documented for that, if possible
14:41:15 <pbokoc> ok, moving on
14:41:17 <pbokoc> #topic Publishing
14:41:49 <pbokoc> I don't have much to say here, but everyone should take a look at the giant thread on fedora-docs (subject of the original mail is "Introduction!")
14:42:04 <pbokoc> and voice any opinions or concerns you might have
14:42:47 <pbokoc> the thread is pretty huge at 73 mails at the moment, but this is a big change and it's going to affect how we work going forward, so it's worth the time
14:44:59 <pbokoc> #topic Open Floor
14:45:14 <pbokoc> if anyone has anything else, now's your time
14:47:37 <kirsti> thanks for running the meeting ;)
14:48:47 <pbokoc> thanks :)
14:50:05 <pbokoc> anyway, if there's nothing else I'll end this, I have another meeting in 10 minutes and I'd like to do at least something productive today :I
14:52:41 <pbokoc> #endmeeting