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15:05:24 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
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15:05:28 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:05:40 <rdieter> hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting, who's present today?
15:06:16 <tosky> hi
15:06:17 <jreznik> hey!
15:06:19 <dvratil> hi everyone
15:06:50 * pino|work o/
15:07:06 <rdieter> #info rdieter tosky jreznik dvratil pino|work present
15:07:20 <rdieter> #chair tosky jreznik pino|work dvratil
15:07:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: dvratil jreznik pino|work rdieter tosky
15:07:47 <rdieter> that's a good start... agenda
15:07:49 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:07:53 <rdieter> what to discuss today?
15:07:59 <dvratil> KF5 5.20 + KActivities split
15:08:27 <rdieter> (hopefully) finalize browser(s) to ship on kde-spin
15:08:41 <than_> present
15:08:46 <rdieter> #info than_ present
15:08:51 <rdieter> #chair than_
15:08:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: dvratil jreznik pino|work rdieter than_ tosky
15:09:40 <rdieter> any other topics?
15:10:27 <rdieter> ok, let's go
15:10:35 <rdieter> #topic KF5 5.20 + Kactivities split
15:10:40 <rdieter> dvratil: go ahead
15:11:04 * heliocastro here
15:11:05 <dvratil> KF5 5.20 tarballs are up, although I don't know when I'll get around to package them, this week will be rather busy for me....
15:11:37 <dvratil> (that's jst FYI)
15:11:44 <tosky> dvratil: do you need to wait for the part of kalternatives that landed into kio-extras? IIRC there should be a temporary package
15:11:50 * pino|work wonders beer-rewards work with dvratil in this case
15:12:18 <dvratil> tosky:  that's the problem, they missed the KF5 5.20 release, so the KActivities thing will be properly split in 5.21
15:12:56 <heliocastro> Maybe we can wait or preprare the split before ?
15:12:56 <tosky> dvratil: do you mean it's half-split, or that kalternatives in 5.20 is still as it was in 5.19?
15:13:03 <tosky> heliocastro: not so easy
15:13:30 <dvratil> tosky: I haven't heard about kalternatives?
15:13:35 <pino|work> tosky: s/kalternatives/kactivities/
15:13:36 <tosky> argh
15:13:38 <tosky> sorry
15:14:06 <dvratil> basically it appears to me that KF5 5.20 will have broken KActivities
15:14:24 <pino|work> wee for broken stuff
15:14:34 <dvratil> because it's missing stuff that has been split into kactivities-stats, KIO and KCMs but they were not released
15:14:47 <dvratil> the only released thing was KActivityManagerD as part of Plasma 5.6
15:15:04 <dvratil> this is at least my understanding of the problem
15:15:19 <tosky> dvratil: not sure: http://marc.info/?l=kde-frameworks-devel&m=145562600424888&w=3
15:15:47 <tosky> dvratil: I mean, there should be a temporary package to fill the gap, kactivities-workspace-5.5
15:15:58 <tosky> the mail above accounts for every case, it seems
15:16:14 <pino|work> wonder why all this mess...
15:17:02 <dvratil> ok, in that case question is: where do we put kactivities-workspace ?
15:17:17 <dvratil> I don't think it makes sense to create a new package for a single release
15:18:04 <rdieter> dvratil: <nod>
15:18:15 <rdieter> maybe just stuff it into kf5-kactivites ?
15:18:27 <rdieter> that's where the content lives now, right?
15:18:30 <dvratil> yeah
15:19:07 <rdieter> ok, sounds like a plan :)
15:19:42 <dvratil> also reminds me: I'll upload new package reviews for the new Plasma 5.6 stuff sometime this week, so find your reviewer hats ;)
15:22:09 <rdieter> k
15:22:44 <rdieter> dvratil: do you recall how many new pkgs?
15:23:35 <dvratil> I think 4
15:23:49 <dvratil> grub2 theme, plymouth theme, kactivitymanagerd and plasma-integration
15:23:58 <rdieter> i assume those are already in the copr ?
15:24:01 <dvratil> indeed
15:24:13 <rdieter> excellent, anything else?
15:24:35 <dvratil> that's all  from me
15:24:57 <rdieter> #topic finalizing browsers
15:25:32 <rdieter> ok, we had some discussion last week on the topic of browsers to ship on kde-spin, but I don't think we'd finalized anything... and I (and Kevin) didn't bring it onlist
15:25:33 <rdieter> so...
15:26:02 <pino|work> oh $deity, again this topic?
15:26:08 <rdieter> I'd proposed shipping qupzilla as an alternative/secondary browser, which wasn't controversial
15:26:37 <rdieter> I just wanted to make sure the second part, removing konqueror, was ok with everyone?
15:27:12 <rdieter> any objections to that plan?
15:27:32 <dvratil> fine by me
15:27:34 <than_> rdieter: no objection from my side, +1
15:28:00 <jreznik> just a question to the grub2 and plymouth themes - I'd say yes, we'd like to have these and I don't expect we want to market it more than we have to, right?
15:28:41 <danofsatx> sorry folks, I was distracted by the mail barge
15:28:43 <pino|work> ok too, although you don't really gain much by not shipping konqueror
15:28:50 <jreznik> well, with qupzilla - I'd like to ship it once we have Qt 5.6 in place, it's very likely going to be next release but not earlier
15:29:08 * danofsatx looks for the konversation notification sounds, since the notification bar doesn't seem to be working
15:29:12 <rdieter> pino|work: true, it just seemed wierd to end up shipping 3
15:29:48 <rdieter> jreznik: so you'd rather wait, and not include it in f24 alpha?  (freeze is today, fyi)
15:30:17 <rdieter> personally, I'd rather not (wait)
15:30:23 <pino|work> didn't kevin mentioned it needed some api change in qtwebkit 5.6?
15:31:06 <rdieter> he was pushing that it be shipped as the primary browser, so I'd assume it works (mostly) ok
15:31:58 <rdieter> either way, it's an advertised feature/change, I don't mind if it doesn't work 100% well yet at this point
15:32:01 <jreznik> with qtwebengine, it works pretty well, a few quirks but it can possibly replace even firefox (I saw a few bugs, misrenderings but with all issues I have with firefox...) and I think one day we would like to make it default browser... so shipping now old version will make it harder as users might try it and be unhappy
15:32:39 <jreznik> rdieter: yeah, but for primary it's qtwebengine version... not sure about level of old one
15:32:47 <rdieter> jreznik: again, are you talking about f24-alpha specifically, or not include in f24 *at all*?
15:33:21 <rdieter> mind you, we'd only be including it as a tech-preview kind of thing at this point, I don't see any harm in it
15:33:43 <rdieter> I guess saying that out loud, implies maybe it would be premature to remove konqueror yet
15:33:58 <rdieter> <shrug>
15:34:06 <jreznik> f24 alpha has qt 5.6 or not (sorry, I'm a bit uniformed)
15:34:19 <rdieter> jreznik: f24 has 5.6-rc
15:34:23 <rdieter> currently
15:35:51 <danofsatx> if qupzilla is being offered as a "tech preview", it isn't replacing a darned thing. When it's officially released, then it will replace konquerer as the default browser for Fedora Plasma.
15:36:00 <jreznik> and as there's qupzilla 1.9.99 in f24 too, I'm ok with shipping it
15:36:23 <jreznik> I'd avoid shipping 1.8.9, so it's good... sorry for false alarm
15:36:35 <rdieter> danofsatx: that's not what we're considering right now
15:36:40 <jreznik> when I was on qt 5.6, it worked pretty well
15:36:55 <tosky> danofsatx: it's not replacing anything right now
15:36:58 <danofsatx> huh? I thought the question was whether to drop konquerer?
15:37:33 <rdieter> danofsatx: well, you mentioned 'replacing konqueror as default browser"
15:37:38 <danofsatx> [3/8/16 09:26] <rdieter> I just wanted to make sure the second part, removing konqueror, was ok with everyone?
15:37:49 <rdieter> konqueror isn't the default browser
15:37:58 <rdieter> (firefox is currently)
15:38:04 <danofsatx> I get all that - let me rephrase.
15:39:08 <danofsatx> qupzilla is being offered as a tech preview, eventually with the goal of replacing konquerer as the native browser for Fedora Plasma. Until that time that is officially released, i.e., no longer a preview, it isn't replacing konquerer, so konquerer shouldn't be dropped.
15:39:36 <rdieter> ok, I'm fine with keeping it too.
15:39:46 <pino|work> danofsatx: konqueror is not the default brower now
15:39:48 <rdieter> it = konqueror (for now)
15:40:27 <rdieter> as pino|work (?) mentioned, we don't gain much by dropping it
15:40:40 <rdieter> any other browser-related comments before moving on?
15:41:27 <danofsatx> no, the horse is dead.
15:41:42 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:41:46 <rdieter> anything else for today
15:41:48 <rdieter> ?
15:43:01 <rdieter> oh, as hinted earlier, today is f24-alpha freeze, fyi
15:43:41 <danofsatx> \o/
15:44:04 <rdieter> so time to get to testing f24 in earnest
15:44:27 * danofsatx will be installing on laptop this weekend
15:44:56 <rdieter> i hope so too, but I've also been threatening that for weeks :-/
15:45:01 <mustafam> Wasn't here at start, so not sure, I think we should offer a preview of wayland session by default (not default choice, of course)?
15:45:52 <rdieter> mustafam: I'd rather not, for now, we can reconsider for beta I guess
15:46:17 <rdieter> including it, implies that it actually (mostly) works, which it doesn't in my experience
15:47:01 <jreznik> at least it starts (talking about 5.6) :)
15:47:03 <rdieter> (but I don't feel strongly)
15:47:27 <mustafam> 5.6 from copr works, thanks to Dani
15:47:50 <jreznik> but in the end, I don't think were will be a huge gap between gnome shell and plasma by default, it's progressing
15:47:53 <mustafam> I think the only major problem is the no-gtk+ thing
15:48:16 <jreznik> mustafam: it's really very early tech preview, not suitable for users...
15:49:01 <mustafam> Fair enough
15:49:12 <jreznik> but doing some marketing - aka try it if you're brave, sure, I'm in
15:49:49 <rdieter> ok, sounds like something we can re-evaluate once plasma-5.6 lands in rawhide?
15:50:24 <jreznik> 5.7 ;)
15:51:17 <mustafam> I think we will have 5.6.3 for F24
15:51:31 <mustafam> So hope this will be eveluator ready
15:57:21 <rdieter> alright, we're out of open discussion topics, thanks everyone for coming today
15:57:26 <rdieter> #endmeeting