14:19:52 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:19:52 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs
14:19:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs'
14:19:52 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call
14:19:57 * Capesteve waves
14:19:58 * pbokoc 
14:22:03 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:22:03 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:22:15 <randomuser> well, zoglesby is in here somewhere, so we must be good to go!
14:22:25 <randomuser> #topic F24 Schedule review
14:22:44 <randomuser> I'll try to move through this quickly since we're starting late
14:22:53 <randomuser> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-24/f-24-docs-tasks.html
14:23:04 <randomuser> last weeks tasks include:
14:23:14 <randomuser> - recruit former beat writers
14:23:28 <randomuser> - begin alpha release notes
14:23:44 <randomuser> - send mail to devel-announce about release notes
14:24:10 <randomuser> these all still need action.
14:24:28 <randomuser> This week's tasks include:
14:24:35 <randomuser> - release readiness meeting
14:24:46 <randomuser> - alpha release announcement
14:25:11 <randomuser> - continued development of release notes
14:25:26 <linuxmodder> .hello corey84
14:25:27 <zodbot> linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com>
14:25:30 <randomuser> these tasks also need action
14:25:35 <randomuser> who wants to play along?
14:25:49 * linuxmodder reading back
14:26:11 <pbokoc> damnit, I was supposed to draft the devel-announce mail
14:26:36 <linuxmodder> I can tackle the  devel-announce and  tag team with someone on the alpha  release notes this week
14:27:21 <linuxmodder> seeing as I'll be neck deep on devel and devel-announce   for gsoc  I don't mind
14:27:37 <randomuser> linuxmodder, you're familiar enough with our workflow and expectations from devel to explain to them how to get things into RNs and such?
14:28:18 <linuxmodder> I helped with last cycles  branched RNs  and I'm not afraid to ask if i get stuck
14:28:48 <randomuser> okay, cool.  Ping pbokoc or I when you have a draft ready for review.
14:29:02 <linuxmodder> noted
14:29:54 <pbokoc> ideally we'd like people to contribute to beats pages on their own, with their own changes, leaving their contact info (mail) in case we have more questions
14:30:58 <randomuser> yes, that would be an ideal way to do a publicly cooperative draft
14:31:04 <pbokoc> e.g. if someone makes an update to doge.noarch and feels that it's important enough to feature in the RNs, they find the correct beat (Entertainment?), leaves a note about what the change is and mail
14:31:09 <linuxmodder> pbokoc,  why  wouldn't beats authors  do so on their own?
14:31:10 <randomuser> everyone should put what they know into the page
14:31:25 <randomuser> linuxmodder, what beat authors?
14:31:55 <pbokoc> linuxmodder, beats authors are us writers. The point is to get *developers* to provide info on their own - until now it's almost always been us chasing them (and them mostly ignoring us)
14:32:15 <linuxmodder> randomuser,  re: pbokoc 's  last comment  about  contributing on their own and leaving their  mailing info ( email)
14:32:40 <linuxmodder> pbokoc,   so more  cross authoring  ?
14:32:41 <randomuser> the beat writers have to get their info from somewhere; if you maintain a package, you should be aware of significant changes in your package; alternatively, as a developer, you can rely on me as a writer to know about every possible change in the platform and identify Your change as significant
14:33:05 <randomuser> one of these things requires one of the parties to do much more work
14:36:34 <randomuser> ahem
14:36:49 <randomuser> so, we're all WIP on an announcement mail drafting
14:37:20 <randomuser> we should all tackle solidified Changes too
14:37:39 <randomuser> and personally recruit writers and SMEs
14:38:59 <randomuser> Does anyone want to reset the beats table?
14:39:34 <pbokoc> speaking of recruiting writers, last week someone introduced himself on the list and nobody talked to him, at least not there :)
14:39:42 <pbokoc> randomuser, I guess I can do it
14:39:46 <pbokoc> the table thing I mean
14:40:19 <randomuser> oh crap! pbokoc, I did send Stephen a "sorry I haven't had time for you" mail out of band
14:40:54 <pbokoc> randomuser, I'm talking about Ryan Mason - on 03/05
14:41:17 <randomuser> well, double expletive, then - I missed that one completely
14:42:22 <randomuser> everyone should say hello to Ryan!
14:44:25 <randomuser> hmm.. bexelbie, still here?
14:44:52 <randomuser> #action randomuser to send beat recruiting mails
14:44:55 <bexelbie> yes
14:45:14 <bexelbie> you know this meeting is important - I am delaying a system reboot for it :)
14:45:18 <randomuser> heh
14:45:25 <randomuser> you
14:45:34 * randomuser bmashmashab sh
14:45:44 <randomuser> bexelbie, you've been quiet today, any thoughts?
14:46:01 <bexelbie> just wanted to mention that I am going to submit two "workshops" to Flock this year
14:46:08 <bexelbie> I hope that everyone will help on these :)
14:46:08 <zoglesby> time changes are confusing
14:46:16 <bexelbie> 1) Hack fest on infrastructure - not writing
14:46:34 <bexelbie> 2) Discussion about what we want out of Fedora docs - what is causing people to use/not use our docs and how to get more of the good stuff?
14:46:45 <bexelbie> not a discussion of formats, etc.  But what actually drives you to use or not use them
14:46:54 <bexelbie> i.e. do you always hit Arch .. or what
14:46:56 <randomuser> tool work and strategy, I approve
14:47:30 <bexelbie> I still have a half-baked infra plan using static generators that i would like to complete as a head-to-head versus what you're building
14:47:40 <linuxmodder> bexelbie,  loop me  in on flock 'workshops'  I'd be  game
14:48:11 <bexelbie> linuxmodder, absolutely - I was going to submit them as being from the project, barring objections
14:48:38 <linuxmodder> none form me  but I'm still rather  `green` on the team
14:48:46 <randomuser> bexelbie, please compete!  maybe two half baked ideas will add up to... a still not fully baked idea?
14:48:54 <randomuser> but closer?
14:49:12 <bexelbie> but I like soft-bake cookies
14:49:29 <linuxmodder> soft-baked cookies != workshops tho :)
14:49:31 <zoglesby> bexelbie: care to share? I was working on a pitch for summer of code for randomuser tool, but maybe we can all work on something together
14:49:48 <randomuser> oh yeah, I was going to talk to decause about that
14:50:01 <linuxmodder> randomuser,  which of your many tools ?
14:50:06 <bexelbie> zoglesby, sure - happy to share
14:50:07 <zoglesby> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2016#Anerist
14:50:12 <bexelbie> now or in a sep meeting?
14:50:44 <bexelbie> heck, it is short
14:50:50 <zoglesby> randomuser: we are almost out of time, students have already started put in requests
14:50:58 * randomuser nods
14:51:22 <zoglesby> but jump in #fedora-summer-coding and start talking
14:51:22 <linuxmodder> several for hubs  and web application
14:51:29 <bexelbie> the theory is to use something like Middleman or Jekyll to convert our docs in one-shot.  We should support markdown, asciidoc and docbook (possibly via translation to asciidoc).  We should support single doc builds and full builds.  We will have multiple repos for org
14:51:34 <bexelbie> that is the short version
14:51:36 <zoglesby> I dont care about any of the linuxmodder :P
14:51:44 <randomuser> zoglesby, I'll work on fleshing it out.  I've been hesitant to suggest I could afford the mentoring time commitment; it seems open-ended to me
14:51:53 <zoglesby> I will do that part
14:51:56 <randomuser> but if you're on board, I'll help make it happen
14:52:00 <zoglesby> I just need some technical help from your brain
14:52:21 <zoglesby> and if we work with bexelbie even better
14:52:26 <randomuser> okay, let's sync up on it
14:52:58 <bexelbie> +1
14:53:16 <randomuser> I'll put some details into the idea page, at least
14:53:20 <zoglesby> thanks!
14:56:10 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor
14:56:29 <randomuser> still a few minutes to take some action items!
14:56:45 <Capesteve> Ryan's e-mail bounces back, but e might see my e-mail in the list.
14:57:10 <Capesteve> that was regarding the "Intro" e-mail
14:57:20 <linuxmodder> I remember that email from last week (Ryan's)
14:57:29 <zoglesby> #action randomuser to update google summer of code pitch
14:57:31 <zoglesby> :P
14:57:37 <randomuser> thanks :)
14:59:18 <zoglesby> I am not a chair
14:59:20 <randomuser> Okay, see you around, everyone.  Thanks for coming, and apologies for starting late.
14:59:28 <randomuser> #chair zoglesby
14:59:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: randomuser zoglesby
14:59:33 <zoglesby> #action randomuser to update google summer of code pitch
14:59:37 <randomuser> feel free to start without me
14:59:41 <randomuser> in the future
14:59:54 <randomuser> zoglesby, I don't think actions need chairing, but you're welcome to it anyway :P
14:59:59 <randomuser> #endmeeting