15:02:00 #startmeeting kde-sig 15:02:00 Meeting started Tue Mar 15 15:02:00 2016 UTC. The chair is rdieter. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02:00 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:02:03 #meetingname kde-sig 15:02:03 The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig' 15:02:06 #topic roll call 15:02:12 hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting, who's present today? 15:02:14 .hello lupinix 15:02:14 * jgrulich is present 15:02:15 lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' 15:02:19 present 15:02:24 hi 15:02:26 here 15:03:27 #info rdieter lupinix jgrulich than tosky heliocastro present 15:03:35 #chair lupinix jgrulich than tosky heliocastro 15:03:35 Current chairs: heliocastro jgrulich lupinix rdieter than tosky 15:04:39 #topic agenda 15:05:01 ok, stuff to discuss today: mentioned earlier in #fedora-kde: Qt5 for rhel/epel plans, Qt/Gtk integration test day 15:05:04 anything else? 15:06:02 * lupinix ← testing todays f24 compose quickly to see if there are any obvious problems to be discussed 15:06:21 k, let's get started... 15:06:27 #topic Qt5 for rhel/epel plans 15:06:32 jgrulich: go ahead 15:08:01 ok, I'll make it short, we might bring Qt 5.6 into RHEL in the next release, but given that it's already provided in EPEL, I wanted to discuss/ask what to do about EPEL 15:08:32 * jreznik is here 15:08:41 ok, given epel policy of not duplicating/replacing anything in rhel, means that Qt5 will need to be removed from epel at that point 15:08:48 #info jreznik present 15:08:50 #chair jreznik 15:08:50 Current chairs: heliocastro jgrulich jreznik lupinix rdieter than tosky 15:09:04 Agree with rdieter but raises one question 15:09:14 5.6.x will be enough for kde future plans ? 15:09:38 well, at least for a while 15:09:41 If we want to push plasma 5 on epel, what happens if we start to use 5.7.x 15:09:52 for Frameworks for sure, and probably for most applications 15:10:02 tosky: For a while until the qml compiler 15:10:05 Plasma, probably jgrulich knows the plan better than me 15:10:07 heliocastro: plasma in epel isn't possible really, anyway 15:10:19 rdieter: Because wayland ? 15:10:24 since it replaces kde4 15:10:51 so only possibility for rhel/plasma is copr (or equivalent) 15:10:55 copr is the answer 15:10:59 Ok 15:11:01 and Software Collections? Anyway, that's for the future future 15:11:15 but brining kf5 to epel is still desirable 15:11:22 the same way as with f21 @copr? worked quite nice 15:11:29 tosky: again, copr would be much easier... 15:11:51 tosky: maybe? but that's even more work, not sure we'd want to commit to anything that big 15:12:24 jreznik: Are you in charge of the Qt on rhel ? 15:12:27 sure, just thinking aloud 15:12:45 jgrulich: ^^ 15:12:46 heliocastro: nope, at all 15:13:01 jreznik: Wrong autocompletion 15:13:11 heliocastro: I'll be the one doing it in case it's going to happen 15:13:42 Ok, this makes me more relief that you won't create another special package 15:14:23 thanks to prior epel/copr Qt5 efforts, bringing it to rhel should be pretty easy (not much more than rebuilding) 15:14:32 heliocastro: the packages would be probably identical to current Fedora ones, there is no reason to have different names or whatever 15:14:56 Ok 15:16:04 anything else Qt5/rhel related? 15:16:24 will webengine be available there too? 15:16:43 or even webkit for that matter? 15:16:46 I'd guess: no 15:17:03 rdieter: I think there's no choice, if they are goint toward customers 15:17:04 those may end up staying in epel 15:17:13 lupinix: I don't think so, even qt5-qt3d or qt5-qtquickcontrols2 as those are technical previews 15:17:31 ok, looks like some mixture of rhel/epel will continue 15:17:36 so we are mostly talking about qt5-qtbase 15:19:53 jgrulich: let us know when/if plans solidify, and which qt5 modules will be affected? 15:20:36 rdieter: will do 15:21:05 thanks, moving on... 15:21:09 #topic https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2016-03-17_Qt_Gtk_Integration 15:21:19 Qt/Gtk integration test day, fyi ^^ 15:22:01 the test day covers adwaita-qt theme and qgnomeplatform, which doesn't work currently as it should, but I plan to look at it tonight so it's prepared for the test day 15:22:05 jgrulich: anything else worth mentioning? 15:23:34 cc 15:23:43 (wrong window) 15:24:13 rdieter: that would be all I guess :) 15:24:35 thanks 15:24:42 #topic open discussion 15:24:51 anything else worth mentioning today? 15:25:09 quick thing, if anyone want to try, I'm trying to resurrect BasKet 15:25:26 iirc, basket was pretty cool 15:25:41 for now it's just a copr and only F23: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/tosky/basket/ 15:25:51 fail to build with GCC6, I have a fix sent upstream 15:26:18 if you want to try, the plan is to go through the combined long processes of new packagers + resurrect dead package 15:26:46 15:27:10 todays f24 compose seems to work fine :) 15:27:19 tosky: thanks, please holler in #fedora-kde or onlist when you have a pkg review ready 15:27:38 sure, will do 15:28:03 fyi, I've been working on related updates over the past few days to drop hard kde4 dependencies in plasma packaging 15:28:27 And we ( at least me ) thank you for that 15:28:41 so now the kde4 deps, kde-style-breeze and kde-platform-plugin, are handled via soft deps and comps 15:29:16 observation with todays compose: qupzilla is less stable @f24 than on f23 with copr, so we should call it "technology preview" so far :D 15:29:31 I probably missed it on #fedora-kde but what are the plans with qt 5.6 as release is tomorrow 15:29:31 rdieter: yes, thank you for erasing these hard dependencies 15:29:36 using rich dependencies would have been ideal, but couldn't , since those are incompatible with yum 15:31:01 :( so thats why i got messages from koschei and boshi? 15:31:05 *bodhi 15:31:32 yes, koschei dep checking still uses yum I believe 15:31:46 (if it complained of broken deps) 15:31:51 yes 15:32:05 koschei uses hawkey (the same lib as used by dnf), but koschei is deployed on rhel 7, which has old versions of these libs 15:32:24 i'm looking to updating them, which would fix koschei issue with rich deps 15:32:27 mizdebsk: ah, so different problem 15:32:31 thx 15:33:24 anyway, point is that various infrastructure bits are either still yum-based or are not-yet-fully-compatible with rich dependencies 15:33:50 and many users still use yum 15:33:57 that latter part is very fixable 15:34:22 lupinix: . fedora will probably have to choose some cut-off for supporting yum though, it cannot be indefinite 15:34:45 yes 15:36:12 another thing: what is the current state of these dbus issues? 15:36:12 well, it could be indefinite, but I think that would be less ideal 15:37:00 lupinix: with latest builds (and patches), all known issues should be fixed 15:37:07 unless there are some new/unknown ones 15:37:24 ok, thx 15:38:03 heliocastro hit some plasmashell startup problems recently, for example, but it's unclear what the cause is (could be dbus related) 15:38:26 what kind of startup problems? 15:38:45 plasmashell didn't fully start, that's all 15:39:03 Yep 15:39:12 and the backtrace was't conclusive 15:39:50 https://paste.kde.org/pine1secv in case anyone else can make more sense from it than I 15:40:45 hmm, i never got this right now 15:40:56 me either 15:41:22 on one machine plasma doesn't start completely, but works on all others 15:41:36 (talking about f24 live) 15:41:51 f24 still has pending updates, mind you 15:41:58 not included in f24-live yet 15:42:19 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-13bc6572ac 15:42:26 so issue is very new? 15:42:51 new'ish, since qt 5.6.0-rc I think 15:43:30 rc is already on live 15:43:40 5.6.0-0.38.rc.fc24 15:43:57 Qt subtly changes how dbus events are handled, and it resulted in some libs/applications relying on the old (arguably buggy) behavior to now deadlock 15:45:20 5.6.0-0.41 includes some candidate fixes for Qt5-internal issues, and the referenced plasma-workspace build includes an upstream fix to avoid using synchronous (blocking) dbus calls during startup 15:48:26 .bug 1317618 15:48:27 rdieter: Bug 1317618 Black screen after logout from KDE - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1317618 15:48:34 bug tracking it ^^ 15:48:50 rdieter: This fixes are already on my recent submitted final qtbase ? 15:48:59 heliocastro: yes 15:49:10 :-/ 15:49:13 5.6.0-0.41 builds and newer 15:51:28 heliocastro: just to rule out other issues, what video driver do you use? use multiple monitors? 15:51:42 if intel or yes, then we can try other things 15:53:04 nope, nvidia 15:53:07 3 screens 15:53:16 At home, single screen intel works perfectly 15:53:25 heliocastro: ok, see if it's reproducible with 1 screen only 15:53:41 Will do after the meeting 15:55:46 anything else before we close the meeting? 15:56:10 nope for me 15:56:18 nope 15:56:56 well, maybe small announcement 15:57:16 astronomy spin based on plasma spin is finally on its way for f24 15:57:27 \o/ 15:57:51 congrats 15:58:19 thx :) 15:59:07 alright, thanks everyone for coming! 15:59:09 #endmeeting