15:00:27 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:00:31 <rdieter> #meetingname kde-sig
15:00:31 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'kde-sig'
15:00:35 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:00:41 <lupinix> .hello lupinix
15:00:41 <zodbot> lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' <lupinix@mailbox.org>
15:00:45 <rdieter> hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting about to start, who's present today?
15:00:51 <dvratil> hi all
15:01:01 <tosky> hi
15:01:53 <rdieter> pino said he'd be a few minutes late
15:02:05 <rdieter> #info rdieter lupinix dvratil tosky present
15:02:13 <rdieter> and jgrulich may be busy
15:03:00 * jreznik is here but has to leave in 15 minutes
15:03:46 <rdieter> #info jreznik here (for 15 min)
15:03:52 <rdieter> #chair lupinix dvratil tosky jreznik
15:03:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: dvratil jreznik lupinix rdieter tosky
15:03:55 <danofsatx> .hello dmossor
15:03:59 <zodbot> danofsatx: dmossor 'Dan Mossor' <danofsatx@gmail.com>
15:04:00 <danofsatx> I'm actually here today!
15:04:15 <rdieter> #info danofsatx (dmossor) present
15:04:18 <rdieter> yay
15:04:20 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:05:08 <rdieter> ok, agenda so far today includes: 1. session management (any decisions?) , 2. f23 qt-5.6/kf5-5.20 update status/plans, 3. pkg reviews
15:05:11 <rdieter> anything else?
15:06:31 <heliocastro> here too
15:06:54 <rdieter> #info heliocastro present
15:06:55 <rdieter> hi
15:06:59 <rdieter> ok, let's get started
15:07:06 <rdieter> #topic session management
15:07:17 <rdieter> last week, I started a ml thread https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/2V3HWQ7D77TDIGJPHKUOOANPNTNKGMSS/
15:07:45 <rdieter> titled "consider disabling session management..."
15:08:31 <rdieter> I'm pretty sure it got discussed sufficiently already for the most part, now should we make any decisions based on that?
15:09:38 <rdieter> would anyone like some more discussion before I make any proposals?
15:09:54 * lupinix not
15:10:09 <heliocastro> Not me. is a WIP anyway, can't do anything
15:10:30 <dvratil> +1 from me. Is there anything we can do in upstream (Qt or KDE) that would help this? Specific bugs/code reviews etc.?
15:10:48 <than> present
15:10:50 <rdieter> ok, proposal: disable session management by default, use 'start with empty session' is default behavior now
15:10:55 <rdieter> #info than present
15:10:56 <rdieter> than: hi
15:11:02 <than> hi all
15:11:04 <lupinix> +1
15:11:14 <rdieter> jgrulich voted +1 prior to meeting (in #fedora-kde)
15:11:29 <heliocastro> Good simple solution, +1
15:11:47 <rdieter> dvratil: yes, I can dig up references after meeting, I'll followup in #fedora-kde and onlist
15:11:56 <dvratil> ok, thanks
15:12:21 <rdieter> +1 me too
15:13:46 <danofsatx> +1
15:13:47 <tosky> for now +1, if it seems the only sane value
15:14:02 <tosky> to reevaluate when Qt 5.6 and Plasma 5.6 are a bit more stable
15:14:52 <than> +1
15:14:56 <rdieter> #agreed (+7,0) will disable session management using 'start with empty session' option as default behavior for f24
15:15:12 <jreznik> oh, too late... sorry, got distracted
15:15:15 <rdieter> ok make it +8 now (if I count right)
15:15:43 <rdieter> either way, seems we have a consensus, thanks, I'll implement it in next iteration of kde-settings, and try to work on getting that mentioned in release notes
15:16:13 <rdieter> moving on...
15:16:28 <rdieter> #topic f23 qt-5.6/kf5-5.20 updates, status and plans
15:16:59 <rdieter> so even though we've got a majority of positive feedback wrt recent updates, there's still a few users reporting problems
15:17:20 <heliocastro> Harald don't have any positive or reliable reason to block us to update everything
15:17:22 <rdieter> harold onlist had some big ones (apparently?) with qt-5.6, and suggested we consider (re)releasing kf5-5.20 separately first before doing qt-5.6
15:17:54 <rdieter> in fairness, harold was not the only one, I recall seeing or hearing of bad results from ~2 others
15:18:04 <heliocastro> If he refuse to fill proper bugs. we need assume that he don't know exactly what he is doing
15:18:19 <rdieter> I did ask him to file a bug, and he so far hasn't
15:18:21 <lupinix> i'm using latest updates on 3 machines (f23) and one (f24) without issues
15:18:22 <danofsatx> the only bug I noticed was the wallpaper being replaced with the default
15:18:24 <heliocastro> I withdrawed my bad results
15:18:45 <lupinix> yes, the wallpaper "issue" was the only one i recognized here
15:18:49 <rdieter> danofsatx: noted, thanks
15:19:01 * rdieter sees no bugs filed about that either  :)
15:19:03 <danofsatx> to be honest, I've not even turned on the laptop this past weekend, working solely from the Chromebook out of convenience.
15:19:33 <rdieter> not sure if it's worth one, honestly, that is fairly cosmetic and easily (re)fixed
15:19:41 <danofsatx> I'm only on my workstation in the office this morning because traffic is a nightmare and I can't go anywhere, so I figured I'd stickl around home and attend some meetings for once ;)
15:21:32 <danofsatx> yeah, I didn't think it was worthy of a bug. it was more of a "WTF?!?" moment, not an issue....
15:21:34 <rdieter> (re)doing kf5-5.20 separately is probably safer in the long run, but is a bit of extra work (and time)... work dvratil is willing to do, fwiw.
15:22:09 <dvratil> I don't expect any build issues, so I can just fire the scripts and collect the results in the morning
15:22:30 <lupinix> rebuild against qt 5.5?
15:22:32 <dvratil> yes
15:22:51 <lupinix> do we expect less issues then?
15:23:14 <rdieter> lupinix: less issues for harold (and who knows who else)
15:23:27 <dvratil> it might help us figure out what are 5.6 regressions and what are 5.20 regressions
15:23:38 <rdieter> we're speculating, since the issues mentioned onlist are not documented anywhere
15:23:54 <rdieter> harold did try qt-5.6 independantly of kf5-5.20, and said that's where the problems started
15:24:07 <lupinix> otherwise i'd say we could modifiy the workflow @future releases but go on with the combi update qt5.6/kf 5.20 now
15:24:09 <rdieter> iirc
15:24:39 <lupinix> does independent mean: he updated to 5.6 before updating kf?
15:24:44 <rdieter> lupinix: yes
15:25:05 <lupinix> i got no issues there too... i used qt 5.6 from copr before
15:26:27 <rdieter> I suppose we could try a compromise and delay the decision:  I can ask harold to please file a bug, and give a 1-2 day deadline, to give us a chance to try to investigate/debug.  if that doesn't happen, then we can push what we have
15:27:37 <dvratil> I won't be able to run the rebuild from Thursday until Monday, so we could prolong the period until next week
15:27:53 <lupinix> he was already told to file a bug
15:28:19 * dvratil is going to KDE PIM sprint to make your emails go faster :)
15:28:30 <rdieter> well let's take an informal poll:  push updates now, or wait ?
15:28:48 <tosky> to both Qt 5.6 and Frameworks 5.20?
15:28:52 <rdieter> tosky: yes
15:28:54 <heliocastro> Push +1
15:29:42 <tosky> I abstain, I don't have enough data to say no but I can't say yes
15:29:48 <lupinix> push
15:30:07 <rdieter> wait++ , I guess it *feels* like a long time, but https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-d4c912d8a2  is only 8 days old, after all
15:30:40 <dvratil> +1 to wait
15:30:55 <danofsatx> +1 wait
15:30:57 <than> +1 to wait
15:31:03 * danofsatx would like to do some more testing
15:32:25 <rdieter> ok, let's go with that then :(
15:33:01 <rdieter> #agreed keep f23 qt-5.6 in -testing for awhile longs
15:33:06 <rdieter> #undo
15:33:06 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by rdieter at 15:33:01 : keep f23 qt-5.6 in -testing for awhile longs
15:33:09 <rdieter> #agreed keep f23 qt-5.6 in -testing for awhile longer
15:33:39 <rdieter> and move forward with tentative plan to rebuild kf5-5.20 against qt-5.5.x and update separately first
15:33:49 <rdieter> moving on...
15:33:52 <rdieter> #topic pkg reviews
15:34:04 <rdieter> dvratil: you had some ? ^^
15:34:17 <dvratil> there are still the new packages for Plasma 5.6
15:34:28 <rdieter> .bug 1314974
15:34:29 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1314974 Review Request: kdepim4 - KDE4 PIM (Personal Information Manager) applications - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1314974
15:34:30 <rdieter> mine ^^
15:34:50 <dvratil> and I have phonon-qt5 for EPEL: .bug 1320725
15:34:54 <rdieter> .bug 1306353
15:34:55 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1306353 Review Request: libunity - Library for integrating with Unity and Plasma - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1306353
15:35:06 <dvratil> .bug 1320725
15:35:06 <rdieter> ^^ gives better integration with "stuff"
15:35:07 <zodbot> dvratil: Bug 1320725 Review Request: phonon-qt5 - Multimedia framework api (Qt 5 version) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1320725
15:35:31 <rdieter> .bug 1287201
15:35:32 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1287201 Review Request: kf5-kross-interpreters - Kross interpreters for KDE Frameworks 5 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1287201
15:35:42 <rdieter> one of last pieces of kde-apps ^^
15:35:48 <danofsatx> question regarding reviews: do you need to be a programmer to have the skill to do a review, or is it more just checking boxes?
15:36:02 <rdieter> .bug 1319521
15:36:04 <heliocastro> Neither
15:36:04 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1319521 Review Request: plasma-integration - Qt Platform Theme integration plugin for Plasma - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1319521
15:36:11 <rdieter> .bug 1319520
15:36:12 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1319520 Review Request: grub2-breeze-theme - Breeze theme for GRUB2 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1319520
15:36:17 <heliocastro> danofsatx: Read the spec, and understand how it works
15:36:23 <rdieter> danofsatx: you need to be a member of fedora packager FAS group
15:36:26 <dvratil> rdieter: thanks, I was too lazy :)
15:36:35 <rdieter> .bug 1319519
15:36:36 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1319519 Review Request: plymouth-theme-breeze - Plymouth Breeze theme - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1319519
15:36:53 <rdieter> dvratil: that's what i see in plasma5 tracking bug, anything else?
15:36:56 * pino|work is late :/
15:37:01 <rdieter> #info pino|work here
15:37:03 <rdieter> hi
15:37:09 <dvratil> rdieter: that's all
15:37:12 <rdieter> k
15:37:28 <dvratil> rdieter: and thanks for taking care for kactivitymanagerd
15:37:29 <rdieter> imo, plasma-integration is most important, the theming stuff nice-to-have
15:37:49 <danofsatx> I knew you had to be in the packager group, I was just wondering what a review consisted of.
15:37:49 <rdieter> dvratil: ah, thanks.  seems so long ago already :)
15:38:09 <dvratil> indeed, the theming can wait (it looks ugly anyway :)
15:38:12 <rdieter> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Review_Process
15:38:13 <pino|work> phonon-qt5 is new?
15:38:15 <rdieter> danofsatx: fyi ^^
15:38:23 <rdieter> pino|work: new to epel-7
15:38:27 <pino|work> ahh
15:38:28 <dvratil> pino|work: see the comment in the bug, it's for EPEL7
15:38:51 <rdieter> eep, can someone else continue leading the meeting for me?
15:39:07 <rdieter> just got a call from son's school, he's ill and I need to go get him
15:39:13 <dvratil> I think we are basically done here anyway?
15:39:18 <rdieter> true
15:39:38 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:39:43 <rdieter> anything else for today before closing meeting?
15:39:57 <dvratil> nfm
15:40:02 * heliocastro need leave
15:40:07 <lupinix> #info fedora 24 alpha was released today
15:40:24 <lupinix> nothing else here
15:40:36 <rdieter> yay for f24-alpha.
15:41:05 <rdieter> working really well for me so far (i started with early pre-alpha)
15:41:24 <rdieter> ok, let's wrap it up, thanks everyone
15:41:26 <rdieter> #endmeeting