14:01:09 <linuxmodder> #startmeeting Docs Team 14:01:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Apr 4 14:01:09 2016 UTC. The chair is linuxmodder. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'docs_team' 14:01:29 <jibecfed> hello 14:01:34 <jibecfed> .fas jibecfed 14:01:35 <zodbot> jibecfed: jibecfedora 'Jean-Baptiste' <jb@holcroft.fr> - jibecfed 'Jean-Baptiste Holcroft' <jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr> 14:01:36 <linuxmodder> #topic Docs Team 14:01:46 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder 14:01:46 <zodbot> linuxmodder: corey84 'Corey Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@gmail.com> 14:01:49 <bexelbie> .fas bex 14:01:49 <zodbot> bexelbie: sfarr01 'Steven Farr' <sfarr@bex.net> - lonelyibex 'fungo' <lonelyibex@gmail.com> - neebex 'Thierry Harribey' <neebex@gmail.com> - ibex77 'Richard Albelda' <chard_ibex@yahoo.com> - moko 'moko lee' <ibex@msn.cn> - bexhet '' <bexhet@hotmail.it> - genbex 'P Karthikeyan' <genbex@gmail.com> - rsandu 'Răzvan Sandu' <razvan.sandu@mobexpert.ro> - vibexie 'vibe xie' <vibexie@qq.com> - efjiwmos 'takagiatuko' (1 more message) 14:01:56 <bexelbie> .hello bex 14:01:56 <pbokoc> hehe 14:01:56 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com> 14:02:03 <linuxmodder> randomuser willbe a few minutes delayed 14:02:12 * grundblom here 14:02:12 * zoglesby 14:02:18 <linuxmodder> any new writers or joins wanna intro themselves in the interim 14:02:46 <linuxmodder> bexelbie, got email much ? 14:03:07 <bexelbie> linuxmodder, ? 14:03:40 <linuxmodder> #topic Announcements 14:05:20 <linuxmodder> #topic Follow up on last week's action items 14:05:58 <pbokoc> I wasn't here last week, did we have any action items? Apart from "write some release notes"? 14:06:06 <linuxmodder> anyone have anything from last week they'd like to review or re-action 14:06:21 <linuxmodder> pbokoc, not really that I can remember 14:06:40 <pbokoc> ok, well 14:06:47 <pbokoc> #action write some release notes :) 14:07:14 <linuxmodder> we do need to poke at the spins folks tho for talking points and release notes 14:07:21 <kirsti> kirsti here sort of (and late) 14:07:45 <linuxmodder> coomops has been trying to get action from them for blog release announces too 14:07:51 <linuxmodder> kirsti, welcome 14:08:04 <linuxmodder> #cahir pbokoc 14:08:11 <linuxmodder> #chair pbokoc 14:08:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: linuxmodder pbokoc 14:08:27 <pbokoc> #chair randomuser 14:08:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: linuxmodder pbokoc randomuser 14:08:33 <linuxmodder> #chair zoglesby 14:08:33 <zodbot> Current chairs: linuxmodder pbokoc randomuser zoglesby 14:08:41 <linuxmodder> randomuser, you free yet 14:09:11 <linuxmodder> #topic Release Notes Beats 14:09:41 <linuxmodder> on that note what do we want to set for next weeks goal since last week was mostly getting the ball rolling 14:10:01 <linuxmodder> anyone have beats ideas already in the oven 14:10:51 <pbokoc> yeah actually 14:10:59 <linuxmodder> #action linuxmodder to work on a security update for beats 14:11:05 <pbokoc> does anyone here use KDE? I've got a beat for you :) 14:11:22 <linuxmodder> not this guy :) 14:11:35 <satyajit> only gnome pbokoc 14:11:48 <pbokoc> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1322084 - this showed up on the relnotes mailing list because the assignee set the relnotes flag in bugzilla 14:11:49 <linuxmodder> cinn and xfce here 14:12:01 * linuxmodder looks 14:12:03 <grundblom> I think I derped the development beat 14:12:06 <pbokoc> I'd take it but I never used KDE so I don't really know what it's about 14:12:41 <pbokoc> grundblom, derped? It looks pretty good to me 14:13:19 <pbokoc> (assuming you're talking about Development Tools) 14:13:42 <linuxmodder> not really sure how that fits as a rn bug tho 14:14:26 <pbokoc> linuxmodder, well, it's a change in behavior, so we should write a sentence or two about it - in the Desktop section probably 14:14:48 <linuxmodder> ok can see that 14:15:23 <grundblom> I felt self conscious because I thought I stepped on Banden who is listed for the Devel beat 14:16:04 <linuxmodder> grundblom, as long as we all know what's up and its collaborative its generally okay :) 14:16:34 <linuxmodder> most of us don't bite or get ego centric :) 14:16:50 <pbokoc> yeah, it's a collaboration. Plus there's an asterisk next to his name, which means he didn't "claim" it 14:18:08 <linuxmodder> any other beats in the works or needing love? 14:18:43 * randomuser pops in 14:18:58 <pbokoc> linuxmodder, all of them :)) at the very least we want to cover all Changes as listed on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/ChangeSet 14:19:02 <linuxmodder> randomuser, welcoem 14:19:10 <linuxmodder> on the beats atm 14:19:24 <linuxmodder> pbokoc, I know that 14:19:42 <linuxmodder> been concerning myself with the guides mostly 14:19:57 <linuxmodder> some are woefully outdated 14:20:06 <pbokoc> yeah, most are :/ 14:20:18 <linuxmodder> f18 for most :( 14:20:47 <linuxmodder> randomuser, wanna talk the helm back? 14:21:00 <randomuser> no, you're doing fine, carry on :) 14:21:31 <linuxmodder> any other offers to help or requests for help on beats or onward ? 14:22:22 <linuxmodder> well then onward 14:22:25 <linuxmodder> #topic Publican/Publishing 14:22:46 <linuxmodder> someone else feel free to take that one publican is still new turf for me 14:22:52 <randomuser> Oh, I have a thing at this point 14:23:00 <linuxmodder> all yours 14:23:32 <randomuser> As I mentioned in a previous meeting, we should have a FAD. 14:23:46 <randomuser> and pick a tool already 14:23:49 <linuxmodder> fad or vfad ? 14:24:01 <linuxmodder> vfad honestly seems more fitting 14:24:18 <grundblom> fad? fedora account..? 14:24:25 <pbokoc> Fedora Activity Day 14:24:29 <linuxmodder> grundblom, no more like a powwow 14:24:36 <randomuser> there's a link around somewhere... 14:24:37 <bexelbie> FAD or vFAD I think we should give the ProjectAtomic folks a bit more time to finish their stuff so we can evaluate it 14:24:44 <linuxmodder> melding of the minds 14:24:55 <randomuser> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Documentation_2016 14:25:02 <bexelbie> but my preference would be for a FAD with v option as I think the focus will be better 14:25:34 <linuxmodder> bexelbie, so brick and mortar with a remote link? 14:25:43 <bexelbie> linuxmodder, that would be my thought 14:25:49 <pbokoc> oh, there's even a date already? 14:25:58 <bexelbie> I wasn't aware of dates/people yet 14:26:03 <bexelbie> cool for progress 14:26:06 <randomuser> yup 14:26:08 <linuxmodder> I could easily get down with that 14:26:11 <randomuser> so we need to fill in some info 14:26:22 <linuxmodder> poll tim e? 14:26:31 <grundblom> oh neat, like a google hang out or somethign and we bang out some documentation? 14:26:47 <linuxmodder> grundblom, jitsi man go open source option :) 14:26:51 <randomuser> in this case, we're going to focus on on collaborative tools 14:27:11 <pbokoc> grundblom, it's not really about writing documentation, it should be about figuring out strategy more like 14:27:19 <pbokoc> check the wiki page :) 14:27:29 <linuxmodder> the roadmap and sop mostly grundblom 14:27:33 <bexelbie> I hope this will be focussed on publishing/strategy and actually include some code writing if possible 14:27:42 * pbokoc disappears for 5 minutes 14:28:12 <zoglesby> bexelbie: publishing will be a part of it, but I think the bigger issues is the state of docs 14:28:22 <bexelbie> zoglesby, agreed 14:28:28 <grundblom> so a day long conference about the roadmap - strategy of the docs group? 14:28:32 <linuxmodder> totally agree on docs state 14:28:35 <bexelbie> I know there is a lot of question around format/searchability, etc. 14:28:42 <linuxmodder> many are almost too outdated to be relevant 14:28:55 <bexelbie> we should put a Flock report talk in, imho 14:29:18 <linuxmodder> they are talking flock 2016 next door in qadevel mtg 14:29:19 <bexelbie> I haven't submitted things when the FAD discussion started -- but since the deadline is Friday we should decide if we need a report talk, discussion or work group, or all three 14:29:29 <randomuser> sorry, phone call 14:29:48 <randomuser> bexelbie, I'm in, can set aside time to work with you on that. 14:29:56 <linuxmodder> so take the poll for availability to the list? 14:30:15 <bexelbie> randomuser, let's try to talk later today? I have a meeting in the next clock hour and am otherwise free 14:30:20 <zoglesby> bexelbie: I am not sure what we could talk about until we figure out what we are doing, a placeholder talk (with a vauge topic maybe?) 14:30:29 <bexelbie> zoglesby, exactly 14:30:33 <bexelbie> we need to get the time on the books 14:30:37 <randomuser> bexelbie, I'll have this up, ping 14:30:51 <bexelbie> as without an idea it will happen some may choose not to push to attend 14:30:59 <bexelbie> randomuser, will do 14:31:01 <zoglesby> If you think about it, the rest of Fedora has changed a lot in the last two years, we are still doing (or not doing) the same things 14:31:29 <randomuser> for the FAD, those that want to attend (if you're confident you can provide a significant contribution) and need funding, fill in the info soon 14:31:33 <linuxmodder> we are cahnging but hardly at same rate 14:31:58 <randomuser> I want to get the prep sorted for that soon before travel expenses go up because of short notice 14:32:37 <randomuser> #action randomuser to send mail about FAD 14:33:54 <randomuser> and fwiw, I'm with zoglesby, we've been gleefully left behind 14:34:17 <linuxmodder> time to kick it in high gear for sure 14:35:00 <zoglesby> need to go to another meeting 14:35:27 <linuxmodder> laters thanks for hanging out 14:35:30 <pbokoc> o/ 14:36:17 <grundblom> gotta go, take care 14:36:20 <linuxmodder> seeing as we have segway'd here anyways 14:36:22 <linuxmodder> #topic Guide Status 14:37:09 <pbokoc> https://www.austinfilm.org/image/premieres--special-events/Everything-Is-Terrible.jpg 14:37:10 <linuxmodder> I am trying to iron out an updated security and burnign isos guide 14:38:23 <Southern_Gentlem> randomuser, i would be interested in helping at the Docs Fad but that is too close to finals 14:39:05 <randomuser> Southern_Gentlem, I'm sure something will come out of it for you to help with :) 14:39:08 <pbokoc> for myself I don't have time for anything, I'll be happy if I manage to fix that bug we had with the builtin help in Anaconda in F23 14:40:17 <randomuser> citation? 14:40:44 <pbokoc> what, for the bug? 14:40:55 <randomuser> yeah, for the bug! 14:41:26 <pbokoc> hang on, firefox ate my history :) 14:41:45 <randomuser> heh 14:42:25 <pbokoc> randomuser, this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1277541 14:42:46 <randomuser> ohhhh that one 14:42:46 <pbokoc> I'm gonna have to change the help content's structure 14:43:03 <linuxmodder> randomuser, meeting is all yours I gotta bounce 14:43:39 <pbokoc> before beta, hopefully, so the installer team doesn't get showered with bug reports about my problem 14:43:57 * linuxmodder & 14:44:01 <pbokoc> o/ 14:44:20 <randomuser> shaunm hangs around, you can probably get more help from him if needed 14:44:26 <pbokoc> yeah, I know 14:46:19 <pbokoc> other than that the install guide should be in a publishable state even if we only change entities. Not perfect, but publishable 14:47:09 <pbokoc> The system admin's guide should be good too 14:47:12 <randomuser> I'll probably do a refresher on the multiboot guide, but may not have time for another 14:47:13 <pbokoc> and anything else - hell if I know 14:49:47 <randomuser> well, that's guides then :) 14:49:53 <randomuser> #topic Open Floor 14:53:27 <randomuser> nothing for open floor, I take it? 14:54:14 <randomuser> linuxmodder++ 14:54:14 <zodbot> randomuser: Karma for corey84 changed to 16 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:54:22 <randomuser> thanks for running the meeting 14:54:40 <randomuser> and thanks to everyone for coming, see you around 14:54:44 <randomuser> #endmeeting