18:03:14 <decause> #startmeeting Fedora Council
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18:03:22 <decause> #topic RollCall
18:03:25 <decause> .hello decause
18:03:26 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
18:03:26 <jkurik> .hello jkurik
18:03:29 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com>
18:03:46 <jwb> hello
18:03:48 <langdon> Ahh thought I was lost..  :)
18:04:03 <decause> #chair jkurik cwickert langdon jwb mattdm robyduck tatica decause
18:04:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: cwickert decause jkurik jwb langdon mattdm robyduck tatica
18:04:14 <langdon> .hello langdon
18:04:16 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com>
18:04:23 * decause was doing some git-surgery, needed to focus
18:04:59 <decause> we'll give folks another minute or two to show up
18:07:36 <decause> ok, anybody else here
18:07:39 <decause> ?
18:07:46 <decause> council peeps
18:08:02 <decause> #info mattdm will not be joining us today
18:08:14 <decause> robyduck: meeting time
18:08:19 <decause> tatica: meeting time
18:08:38 <decause> #info cwickert will not be joining us either, sent mail to the list already
18:08:51 * decause digs for link
18:09:24 <decause> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ASEWQV45LYOMHBW6B2TGNR67ZBUWAHNE/
18:09:29 <decause> ok
18:09:34 <jwb> decause: we may have to postpone today.  i'm not sure we can make many decisions with only 3 of us here
18:09:51 <jkurik> jwb: that what I was going to say
18:09:59 <decause> jwb: unless robyduck and/or tatica shows up, you could be right
18:10:10 <langdon> Is that just cwickert's email?
18:10:18 <decause> I still think it's a good idea to discuss the scenarios perhaps?
18:10:20 <jwb> 4, sorry jkurik.  i joined late and didn't know you were present
18:10:23 <decause> even if we can't decide
18:10:35 <decause> langdon: yes, that is cwickert's email
18:10:38 <jkurik> no problem having the meeting, but aprooving budget when half of the Councill is not present ...
18:11:17 <decause> jkurik: I agree we want to make a decision with full representation, but today we can still talk about where the folks who are here are at with the scenarios
18:11:18 * langdon thinks of snarky snooze you lose quotes ;)
18:11:22 <decause> cwickert did
18:11:29 <decause> so
18:11:35 <decause> #topic Agenda
18:11:45 <decause> 1) Budget Scenarios
18:11:49 <decause> 2) Open Floor
18:11:59 <decause> #topic Budget Scenarios
18:12:20 <decause> as I've already posted, cwickert posted to discuss list about his opinion on the scenarios:
18:12:25 <decause> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ASEWQV45LYOMHBW6B2TGNR67ZBUWAHNE/
18:13:14 <decause> I don't want to misrepresent his opinions here with a tl;dr, so I'll let you folks read his mail, and let him explain it should you have any questions
18:14:33 <decause> as requested during our last meeting, I've added an additional scenario to the fedora-budget repo
18:15:31 <decause> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/OIRNYTRCRYEHMSGRM5GDQ2VGFGXEH6VA/
18:15:59 <decause> #info decause pushed the requested scenario (fF/hDI -- full-FAD, Half Outreachy) to the scenarios.txt file in the repo
18:17:08 <decause> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget/blob/master/f/FY17/adjustedannualbudgets/council/scenarios.txt#_25
18:17:41 <decause> the third column fF/hDI is the new scenario in question, beginning on line #25
18:18:43 <decause> so
18:18:55 <decause> does anyone have any questions with regards to the additional requested scenrio?
18:20:15 <decause> it would seem like no
18:20:38 <decause> :P
18:20:48 <jwb> decause: one sec
18:20:50 <decause> kk
18:21:09 <langdon> i have a comment on cwickert's proposal
18:21:44 * langdon waiting for the appropriate time for that based on decause's direction
18:21:49 <jwb> tatica replied that she didn't foresee a huge budgetary need for D&I yet because they're just getting off the ground.  or did i totally misread her reply?
18:22:21 <jkurik> jwb: I unerstand it in the same way
18:22:37 * langdon does wonder why this (the scenarios.txt) isn't a spreadsheet with separate tabs..
18:22:52 <decause> jwb: correct. There is no D&I funding being proposed outside of outreachy slots at this time
18:23:15 <jwb> decause: ok, that matches my understanding of the scenarios then.  thanks.
18:23:30 <decause> langdon: there is a spreadsheet with all the other scenarios in it, but it contains no "logic"
18:23:46 <decause> aka, the cells are a 'text import' of the scenarios.txt file
18:24:45 <decause> langdon: I would be willing to run the math on this if you felt it was *absolutely* necessary, but for our level of discussion I felt that the text would suffice.
18:25:13 <langdon> decause, no.. not that.. difficult to follow the "ascii art" is all.. /me not that bright
18:25:16 <decause> and by "run the math" I mean "create a fancy spreadsheet" but it will be basically rewriting everything that is there in the textfile
18:26:10 <decause> langdon: yeah, it started out as notes. honestly vim wasn't half-bad at doing things like pasting an entire column in the middle (thanks to ctrl+v)
18:26:17 * langdon likes commas and $ signs ;)
18:26:58 * decause can add commas if necessary
18:27:31 <jkurik> can anyone also add $ ?
18:27:37 <decause> langdon: the 'final' product on budget.fp.o will have commas and dollar signs
18:28:09 <decause> jkurik: sure can. I created a "council" group on pagure, and added everyone here (with a pagure account) to that group so they can commit and push
18:28:26 <decause> but, I'm happy to do the reconciliation
18:28:32 * langdon did it in the ods
18:28:36 <jkurik> decause: sorry, it was a joke - I meant more $ into the budget
18:28:42 <decause> if folks have requests, just ping me, or file a ticket
18:28:43 <langdon> jkurik, lol
18:28:50 <decause> jkurik: HA!
18:29:09 <langdon> jkurik, i did that too, one bag of donuts -- added.. can someone lgtm the push? ;)
18:29:15 <decause> from magical_bucket import money_dollars
18:29:50 <decause> langdon: lgtm +1
18:29:58 <decause> ok
18:30:02 <decause> Timecheck: 50%
18:30:17 * decause looks up the votes from last time
18:31:14 <langdon> sorry... i know i missed last time.. but outreachy & "d&i" are synonymous?
18:31:39 <jkurik> I am still for the "fF/hDI" scenario
18:31:48 * decause shakes fist at mote...
18:32:20 <decause> langdon: D&I is a category under council, and the only thing within it is Outreachy Slot Funding for FY17
18:33:29 <decause> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-04-18/council.2016-04-18-17.59.log.html
18:33:38 <decause> here is last meeting's logs
18:33:50 * langdon sad for call out ;)
18:34:09 <langdon> decause, so... libreoffice says your addition is wrong :/
18:34:45 <decause> langdon: not entirely surprised, but where
18:35:51 <langdon> decause, easier to push a new copy of the spreadsheet? basically "subtotal" 10k off in the first scenario, and 15k off in the 2nd
18:36:17 <decause> langdon: sure, we can push a spreadsheet
18:36:31 <decause> #action decause spreadsheet-ify the scenarios officially
18:36:38 <langdon> ok.. /me needs to git clone and all that
18:36:47 <langdon> ohh i meant me
18:36:47 <decause> langdon: I'd be careful to double check the +/- though, there were many moving parts
18:37:13 <langdon> eyeball looks the same
18:37:18 <decause> nod nod
18:37:38 <decause> we can do that not during not this meeting time though
18:37:53 <decause> I suppose that does introduce some uncertainty though to the conversation
18:38:52 <langdon> well.. it is 49k for regional in ff/fdi and 50k for ff/-di
18:39:01 <langdon> opps
18:39:07 <langdon> ff/-di = 65k
18:40:17 <decause> it started out simply enough, but a spreadsheet is really the way to go on this afterall
18:40:23 <langdon> decause, :)
18:40:33 <decause> alright
18:40:34 <decause> so
18:40:41 <decause> we're at ~75% time
18:41:30 <decause> langdon: send me whatever edits you have, and I'll include them in the "proper" spreadsheet before our next meeting
18:41:38 <langdon> decause, well.. what else do you want to accomplish?
18:41:49 <langdon> i committed a changed spreadsheet..
18:41:55 <langdon> was i supposed to PR? oops..
18:41:58 <decause> langdon: oh? Goody :)
18:42:02 <decause> langdon++
18:42:05 <langdon> i didn't delete.. just added some rows
18:42:11 <decause> langdon: that's fine
18:42:16 <decause> I'll figure it out
18:42:22 <decause> I'll ping if I need more info
18:42:52 <langdon> just added lines 14-17
18:43:00 <decause> git ftw
18:43:16 <langdon> ohh.. and commas and $s .. sorry europeans ;)
18:43:40 <decause> langdon: and commas? Sorry everyone else too then.
18:43:47 * decause was trying to be neutral-ish
18:43:59 <decause> :P
18:44:02 <decause> ok
18:44:15 <decause> I want to make sure we give ample time to Open the Floor to other business
18:44:22 <decause> in case anyone has anything
18:44:24 <decause> so
18:44:29 * langdon notes that libreoffice may actually fix based on "culture"
18:44:37 <decause> libreoffice++
18:44:39 <langdon> im fine to move on..
18:44:42 <decause> kk
18:44:44 <decause> anyone else?
18:44:45 <decause> going once
18:44:48 <decause> going twice
18:44:50 <decause> going thrice
18:44:56 <decause> #topic Open Floor
18:45:19 <langdon> sorry.. i stink..
18:45:38 <decause> #help Ambassadors please send decause your updated Budget Reports, Proposals, and Delegation Selections ASAP
18:45:46 <langdon> cwickert's ff/hdi does not seem to be in here, does it?
18:45:49 <langdon> ohh
18:45:51 <langdon> its in the tx
18:45:56 <decause> langdon: on the contrary, you are awesome for finding the bugs and fixing them
18:45:58 <langdon> i think you said that earlier
18:46:04 <decause> langdon: I did
18:46:24 * decause will spreadsheetify the things
18:46:29 <decause> already actioned
18:46:56 <decause> #info GSoC Final Selections have been made for Fedora
18:48:49 <decause> There are 10 active projects now, and the first 'official' day of the internships will begin on May 23rd
18:49:03 <langdon> decause, definitely let me know if you want help.. have written/approved many budgets... and built FAR too many spreadsheets
18:49:08 <decause> which is also when the new Red Hat interns, as well as our Outreachy Intern will begin as well
18:49:23 <decause> langdon: def happy for a second look, after your second look
18:49:46 <decause> langdon: probably not going to do separate sheets/tabs though... makes exporting to csv more difficult
18:50:20 <langdon> decause, ack.. but .. you could.. then you could do a summary sheet.. which exports.. and .. omg.. i go off on tangents ;)
18:50:25 <decause> langdon: once we do it for this year, we'll have a template for next year
18:50:38 <decause> langdon: we can spreadsheet nerd out later :P
18:50:52 <decause> does anyone else have other business for open floor?
18:51:12 * jkurik has no business
18:51:34 <decause> jkurik: there is a beta blocker go/no-go coming up, yes?
18:51:42 <jkurik> yes, there is
18:51:46 <jkurik> on Thursday
18:51:55 * langdon notes psych discussions probably don't belong in channel
18:51:57 <langdon> ;)
18:52:04 <decause> langdon: :P
18:52:21 <decause> any other biz?
18:52:24 <decause> going once
18:52:28 <decause> going twice
18:52:32 <decause> going thrice
18:52:57 <decause> alright all. Thanks for being here today, and for making yourselves available for Open Floor and budget discussions.
18:53:01 <jkurik> decause: thanks for chairing
18:53:10 * decause salutes
18:53:16 <langdon> decause, yes.. way to chair! ;)
18:53:22 <decause> #endmeeting