14:02:33 <zoglesby> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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14:02:39 <zoglesby> #meetingname Fedora Docs
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14:02:47 <zoglesby> #topic Roll Call
14:02:54 * grundblom here
14:03:25 <linuxmodder> .hello LinuxHippie
14:03:26 <zodbot> linuxmodder: Sorry, but you don't exist
14:03:29 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
14:03:30 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
14:03:34 <bexelbie> .hello bex
14:03:36 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com>
14:03:40 <linuxmodder> (has to bounce at  1030)
14:03:49 <drewmeigs> .hello drewmeigs
14:03:50 <zodbot> drewmeigs: drewmeigs 'Drew Meigs' <dmeigs@openmailbox.org>
14:04:34 <linuxmodder> if I d/c  or  have to leave  /#nick/ me and I'll check the logs
14:04:51 <zoglesby> going to give it a few more minutes for others to join
14:05:07 <zoglesby> also I need to get notes together as I was not ready to run the meeting
14:05:29 <bexelbie> zoglesby, thanks for stepping up to do it
14:06:03 <zoglesby> #info Participants are reminded to make liberal use of #info #link #help in order to make the minutes "more better"
14:07:12 * randomuser arrives
14:07:12 <randomuser> thanks for running the meeting, zoglesby
14:07:25 <zoglesby> We did not have a meeting last week so, no follow up.
14:07:31 <zoglesby> #topic New Writers
14:07:50 <zoglesby> Any new writers with us today? First time at the meeting, etc.?
14:08:40 <zoglesby> #chair randomuser
14:08:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: randomuser zoglesby
14:09:15 <linuxmodder> do we  have a  setup sssd  guide  or  tie in?
14:09:49 <linuxmodder> i ask as  with  Gnome 3.20 sssd and libsoap are making  SSO much more  accessible
14:09:54 <zoglesby> linuxmodder: lets stick to the meeting here please :)
14:10:37 <zoglesby> I will take that as no new writers, anyone working with someone new who may need help and or a mentor?
14:12:22 <zoglesby> #topic Release Notes
14:12:31 <zoglesby> randomuser: what is the status of the release notes?
14:12:53 <randomuser> we have a decent amount of content, but I've struggled to publish it
14:13:41 <randomuser> when I published for the previous release, publican did not create a "fedora 23" section of the menu, it put those docs at the top of the product's doc list
14:14:10 <randomuser> ... with no discernible adjustment to the factors used to build the menu
14:14:27 <randomuser> hopefully I'll figure that out in the next couple of days
14:14:54 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
14:14:55 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
14:15:11 <randomuser> I also intend to review @standard packages for changes, and there are surely other packages with notable changes if folks want to do the research
14:15:11 <zoglesby> good luck randomuser!
14:16:24 <zoglesby> Can anyone help randomuser with that?
14:16:48 <linuxmodder> I can come mid week
14:17:04 <randomuser> #info randomuser could use help with publishing problems
14:17:08 <linuxmodder> today and tomorrow  are   crap for me
14:17:30 <zoglesby> linuxmodder: great, sync up with randomuser when you can help!
14:17:38 <linuxmodder> will do
14:17:40 <randomuser> linuxmodder, you're welcome to try, but it's a somewhat esoteric problem space, and your docs time might be more effectively spent on other things
14:18:10 <randomuser> that said - not turning down any help :P
14:18:11 <linuxmodder> I can not  help too :)
14:18:23 <linuxmodder> and stick to the guides
14:18:37 <zoglesby> anything else on release notes?
14:19:29 <randomuser> yes
14:19:35 <randomuser> someone needs to push POTs
14:20:10 <grundblom> POTs?
14:20:24 <grundblom> can someone tell me what POTs means?
14:20:33 <bollocks_k> seconded
14:20:37 <linuxmodder> 3rd
14:20:38 * nirik has a query for open floor or the like.
14:20:43 <randomuser> the source files for translations
14:20:58 <linuxmodder> so i18n stuff
14:21:02 <randomuser> publican generates POTs, we push them to zanata, we get POs back.
14:21:10 <zoglesby> nirik: okay!
14:21:19 <pbokoc> yeah, the T stands for Template
14:21:32 <zoglesby> grundblom: for translations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettext
14:21:48 <randomuser> so, I'll do that today unless someone else does it first
14:21:52 <randomuser> we can move on
14:22:14 <zoglesby> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettext
14:22:19 <zoglesby> ah
14:22:25 <zoglesby> #topic Publican/Publishing
14:22:38 <zoglesby> I could say a lot here, but I will try not to do so
14:22:43 * linuxmodder has to  leave  will catch up with minutes :)
14:22:53 * randomuser smirks
14:23:04 <zoglesby> First, the report from the FAD is on the community blog
14:23:10 <zoglesby> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/event-report-fedora-docs-fad/
14:23:17 <bexelbie> Should we skip this in lieu of the FAD report .. since it is all going to change
14:24:02 <zoglesby> I am using this section as our "way forward" block
14:24:34 <randomuser> i like it
14:24:35 <zoglesby> Next, the source for what we are working on, and the issues/tasks are on pagure
14:24:36 <zoglesby> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/event-report-fedora-docs-fad/
14:24:40 <zoglesby> #undo
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14:24:46 <randomuser> we do have some todo items, yeah
14:24:51 <zoglesby> #link https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/
14:25:04 <zoglesby> #link https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issues
14:26:01 <randomuser> notably, imo, someone needs to figure out how to create the landing pages
14:26:19 <zoglesby> If you see something in the issues section that you can help with please jump in and help. I would like to see this work start to progress quickly, but hands and brains are needed.
14:26:24 * randomuser did not absorb much ducktype knowledge from shaunm and did not find reference materials
14:26:28 * c0mrad3 waves
14:27:23 <zoglesby> the last part along that line is that I started to redo the documentation guide, and as we work on that it will outline the new process
14:27:26 <zoglesby> #link https://pagure.io/documentation-guide/branch/new-workflow
14:27:37 <zoglesby> again, help is always welcome
14:28:35 <zoglesby> #info zoglesby will be in #fedora-docs Thursday during office hours to answer questions about the FAD and our new publishing system
14:28:35 <ryanlerch> randomuser: i have been looking at how i can style pintail
14:28:50 <randomuser> the most interesting thing here, imo, is that we're tracking tasks somewhere :P
14:28:53 <ryanlerch> should have a better handle on it by the end of the week
14:29:12 <zoglesby> ryanlerch: that is great news!
14:29:23 <ryanlerch> just need to learn xslt
14:29:23 <bexelbie> +1 for task tracking :)
14:29:30 <ryanlerch> again
14:30:11 <zoglesby> anyone else have anything for this section of the meeting?
14:31:08 <randomuser> ryanlerch++
14:31:08 <zodbot> randomuser: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 14 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
14:31:24 <zoglesby> feel free to ask me questions any time, but I have dedicated time on Thursday if you want to talk in real time and know that I will be around
14:31:24 <ryanlerch> nomnomnom
14:32:06 <zoglesby> #topic Guide Status
14:32:17 <zoglesby> anyone have anything on guides?
14:34:58 <zoglesby> I will take that as a no.
14:34:59 <zoglesby> #topic GSoC Updates
14:35:33 <randomuser> and c0mrad3 is here, huzzah
14:35:46 <c0mrad3> o/
14:36:08 <zoglesby> c0mrad3 is a week away from the start of the coding period, but we still need to work out his goals
14:36:39 <c0mrad3> zoglesby: yes
14:36:39 <zoglesby> that is something that we need to do this week and will report back on next week
14:36:54 <zoglesby> c0mrad3: any other updates for the group?
14:37:12 <c0mrad3> I will attend the office hours this time and we shall discuss at that time zoglesby
14:37:44 <c0mrad3> zoglesby: nothing much for the community bonding period
14:38:20 <bexelbie> c0mrad3, when do you plan to be online?
14:38:30 <bexelbie> just so those of us not in NA can think about overlaps
14:38:31 <randomuser> looking forward to your community bonding, c0mrad3 :)
14:39:15 <c0mrad3> bexelbie: around the same time on thursday
14:39:19 <c0mrad3> randomuser :)
14:40:10 <randomuser> c0mrad3, can you phrase that more absolutely, like you'd read it from a clock?
14:40:51 * randomuser is dense, needs things explained
14:41:07 <zoglesby> c0mrad3: I think the question is, during GSoC, what hours do you plan on working during
14:41:21 <c0mrad3> randomuser: 15:00 - 17.00 UTC
14:41:25 <bexelbie> as zoglesby yes .. but only roughly
14:41:33 <bexelbie> c0mrad3, ok cool, so nice overlap with EMEA
14:41:37 <zoglesby> and I understand that it will fluctuate
14:41:52 * bexelbie will tolerate no fluctuations .. just kidding
14:42:31 <randomuser> ok, so you'll be around before thursday's office hours, cool
14:42:41 <ryanlerch> nice overlap with AEST too :D
14:42:45 <randomuser> i'll try to be available
14:43:11 <ryanlerch> 0100 - 0300 :) :/
14:43:22 <randomuser> ryanlerch, did you know that in the southern hemisphere, clocks and toilets spin counterclockwise?
14:43:24 * randomuser ducks
14:43:40 <ryanlerch> they do? /me goes to flush the toilet
14:43:45 <zoglesby> okay, moving on as we are short on time
14:43:46 <zoglesby> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
14:43:52 <zoglesby> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84
14:43:59 <zoglesby> bugz bugz bugs
14:44:05 <c0mrad3> zoglesby: I will working from 11:30 - 18:30 UTC for the first few days and will be flexible in the next days
14:44:18 * c0mrad3 I was late!
14:44:42 <zoglesby> on a side note, the best part of rewriting all of the guides is that as we do we can close all of the bugs we have!
14:44:49 <randomuser> yay!
14:45:16 <zoglesby> anyone have anything else here?
14:45:20 <randomuser> we should also look into.. what, removing the Fedora Documentation product from bugzilla?  we aren't really going to use it anymore
14:45:22 <c0mrad3> let's crush some bugs!
14:46:01 <zoglesby> randomuser: I think we need to talk about that more before we do so
14:46:07 <c0mrad3> randomuser: are we shifting to trac / pagure ?
14:46:08 <zoglesby> randomuser: can you post that to the list?
14:46:59 <randomuser> #action randomuser to bring up future bugzilla usage plans on list
14:47:14 <zoglesby> thanks!
14:47:24 <zoglesby> anything else?
14:47:57 <zoglesby> #topic Open floor discussion
14:48:15 <zoglesby> nirik: thanks for waiting, your up.
14:48:22 <nirik> Oh hey... so...
14:48:40 <nirik> we currently have about 3 docs things in infrastructure.
14:48:57 <nirik> The current 'production' thing with publican docs in git repo
14:49:16 <nirik> the docs-backend thing with rpm builds in koji for guides
14:49:16 <ryanlerch> 'production'
14:49:26 <nirik> some cloud instances for another setup
14:49:51 <nirik> Do we need to keep all these? :) or should we wait and see what the new world looks like before doing anything?
14:50:06 <randomuser> the rpm thing is the el6-docs koji tag, right?
14:50:09 <randomuser> we're definitely done with that
14:50:17 <ryanlerch> are the rpmbuilds thing for desktop packages?
14:50:37 <randomuser> ryanlerch, it was an attempt to replicate the brew publishing workflow
14:50:46 <nirik> randomuser: yes. ok. can nuke it... and/or did you want to file a ticket to nuke it so we don't forget?
14:51:09 <randomuser> sure - releng or infra ticket?
14:51:44 <nirik> infra probibl
14:51:47 <nirik> probiby
14:51:48 <randomuser> k
14:52:06 <nirik> are the cloud instances still of use? or can they be nuked too?
14:52:39 <randomuser> we might have need for them soonish, actually, let me get back to you on that
14:52:50 <nirik> ok, completely fine. ;)
14:53:02 <nirik> just wanted to check...
14:53:10 <ryanlerch> nirik++
14:53:13 <randomuser> sure, thanks
14:53:30 <zoglesby> #action randomuser to file ticket with infra to remove el6-docs koji tag
14:54:11 <nirik> and the docs-backend01 host.
14:54:36 <nirik> thats all I had.
14:55:18 <zoglesby> any other topics? (5 min left)
14:55:36 <ryanlerch> sssadssaassaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasasaaaaaaaaaaaaa
14:55:43 <ryanlerch> whoops. sorry
14:56:24 <randomuser> ticket filed
14:56:41 <randomuser> hey nirik, since you're here, what do you think about elasticsearch
14:56:59 <zoglesby> good call!
14:57:11 <randomuser> we're looking at a publishing tool that can use it
14:57:31 <nirik> I've not used it, but I know it's packaged now (at least for fedora)
14:58:17 * randomuser nods
14:59:29 <randomuser> i'll study up, in any case
14:59:46 <zoglesby> #info pintail has support for elasticsearch and we need to look at using it for search on docs site
15:00:19 <zoglesby> with that we need to end this meeting. Thanks you everyone for your time.
15:00:21 <zoglesby> #endmeeting