21:00:13 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:00:16 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:19 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
21:00:21 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:23 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:31 <jflory7> .hello jflory7
21:00:32 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com>
21:00:35 <jflory7> Hiya!
21:01:09 <ridgemat> .hello mattnix
21:01:10 <zodbot> ridgemat: mattnix 'Matt Harwood' <matt@mattharwood.com>
21:01:12 <ridgemat> Evening all!
21:01:19 <jflory7> #chair ridgemat
21:01:27 <jflory7> Oh, whoops
21:01:31 <stickster> #chair jflory7 ridgemat
21:01:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: jflory7 ridgemat stickster
21:01:32 <stickster> :-)
21:01:37 <jflory7> Thanks :)
21:02:08 <jflory7> Oh, ridgemat!
21:02:21 <jflory7> Did you get the Magazine author badge for writing your article?
21:02:27 <jflory7> I forgot to check.
21:02:40 <ridgemat> Hmm I'm not sure! Where do I check? :)7
21:02:43 <ridgemat> * :)
21:03:08 <jflory7> ridgemat: Your FAS is ridgemat, right?
21:03:19 <ridgemat> No, mattnix (annoyingly!)
21:03:25 <itamarjp> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/mattnix
21:03:35 <jflory7> That's right, just a second. :)
21:03:53 <stickster> Hey guys!
21:04:07 <ridgemat> Hi stickster ! How are you?
21:04:22 <stickster> busy as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs
21:04:55 <ridgemat> Ha! :) Busy with productive things at least?
21:05:03 <stickster> oh yes
21:05:23 <jflory7> F24 is just around the corner now :)
21:05:41 * stickster topics
21:05:47 <stickster> #topic Quick review of last week
21:06:43 <stickster> #info Last week was > 44k views, up over 50% from week before
21:06:57 <jflory7> \o/
21:07:08 <stickster> This week is looking decent, but needs more material
21:07:24 <stickster> #topic Quick hits for this week?
21:07:27 <ridgemat> Good news!
21:07:38 <stickster> Sooo... I have an article idea that basically just wrote itself
21:07:42 <jflory7> Ohh?
21:07:44 <stickster> The Flock 2016 schedule was just published
21:07:49 <stickster> I was thinking, perfect timing
21:08:02 * stickster ready and willing to write that and publish tonight after we get done
21:08:13 <jflory7> stickster: I'm totally +1.
21:08:36 <jflory7> Is the schedule public yet, by the way?
21:08:39 * jflory7 is looking
21:08:49 <ridgemat> +1 , of course
21:08:53 <stickster> jflory7: yes -- the website will be refreshed within next 1/2 hour at most
21:08:59 * jflory7 nods
21:09:03 <jflory7> Makes sense.
21:09:04 <stickster> the link is flock2016.sched.org
21:09:20 <stickster> #action stickster Write Flock schedule article and publish immediately
21:09:36 <jflory7> ridgemat: Also, you've got a few new badges. Your HomeBank one just crested 5k views! Nice work. :)
21:09:43 <stickster> WOOP WOOP!
21:09:45 <stickster> ridgemat++
21:09:50 <ridgemat> jflory7: Woo that's great to hear! Thanks! :)
21:09:57 <ridgemat> Is anyone going to Krakow for Flock?
21:09:58 <jflory7> ridgemat++
21:10:23 <jflory7> Okay, cool, so it's on Sched again this year.
21:10:34 <stickster> ridgemat: I am
21:10:42 <stickster> (unsurprisingly)
21:10:59 <jflory7> ridgemat: Maybe. Hopefully. :) I submitted a talk that was approved, but I'll have to see how logistics work out with sponsorship. *crosses fingers*
21:11:24 <stickster> #idea stickster could probably finish tweaking decause article looking for Magazine contributors, and schedule for publication as well
21:11:39 <ridgemat> Oh great! I was thinking of maybe going, but wouldn't have known anyone ;) Anyway, don't want to go OT...
21:12:49 <jflory7> stickster: If I recall, that one is all set. ryanlerch wrote it up and decause already reviewed it. I was going to take a peek at it too.
21:13:02 <stickster> jflory7: I wanted to add a bit to it.
21:13:17 <stickster> Missing is a bit more call out that we aren't just looking for desktop user stuff
21:13:20 <jflory7> ridgemat: If you can make it out, you should totally see if you can make it. I went to last year's and I would recommend it to anyone. :)
21:13:21 <decause> .hello decause
21:13:22 <zodbot> decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' <decause@redhat.com>
21:13:25 <stickster> it doesn't say that, but I want to emphasize it a bit more.
21:13:39 <jflory7> stickster: Ahh, yeah, that's an important angle to hit. All tech things in Fedora are welcome, desktop or other!
21:13:51 <stickster> er, let me restate. It's fairly inclusive already, but not emphasized to the degree I would like to see.
21:13:58 * jflory7 nods
21:14:21 <stickster> "Brevity is good. Clarity is better."
21:15:00 <stickster> #action stickster tweak CTA seeking writers article, make featured image, and schedule
21:15:06 <stickster> #chair decause
21:15:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: decause jflory7 ridgemat stickster
21:15:14 <jflory7> Hiya decause!
21:15:16 <ridgemat> Hi decause !
21:15:26 * decause waves
21:16:14 <stickster> #topic Categories
21:16:59 <stickster> jflory7: Did all the new categories get set up on the Magazine?
21:17:08 <jflory7> stickster: I believe so, ryanlerch tackled that one.
21:17:12 <jflory7> The old ones are still present, however.
21:17:21 <jflory7> So we'll need to actively make sure we're selecting the new ones.
21:17:45 <jflory7> Maybe adding text to the old ones as "No longer used" but preserving the slug would be a good idea.
21:18:35 <stickster> I currently see these:  (WARNING, text flood coming)
21:18:42 <stickster> Fedora Contributor Community
21:18:42 <stickster> 5 Things in Fedora This Week
21:18:43 <stickster> Events
21:18:43 <stickster> Fedora Project community
21:18:43 <stickster> For Developers
21:18:45 <stickster> For System Administrators
21:18:47 <stickster> Interviews
21:18:50 <stickster> New in Fedora
21:18:52 <stickster> Uncategorized
21:18:55 <stickster> Using Hardware
21:18:57 <stickster> Using Software
21:19:01 <stickster> Which are supposed to be deprecated?
21:19:59 <jflory7> Hmm. The old ones were "For {Developers,System Administrators}" and Fedora Project community, but they all still work. Maybe ryanlerch left them there intentionally for use, some of the old ones were definitely purged.
21:20:14 <stickster> Looks like: * Fedora Project community, * For {role}... that's it, right?
21:20:16 <jflory7> Maybe good to follow up and make sure. All of those categories seem relevant and useful to me.
21:20:17 <stickster> ah, *jinx
21:20:17 <jflory7> Yeah.
21:20:25 <stickster> #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/210
21:20:32 <stickster> found the ticket, cool
21:21:18 <stickster> I'm guessing we should reorganize those. At some point it becomes awful to do that... there are > 500 articles out there now
21:21:36 <stickster> er, I mean, reorganize the articles into proper categories
21:21:41 <puiterwijk> Note that you might want to be careful with plain removal of categories before you reassigned other articles, since I don't know what it does with articles that are using the categories when you delete them.
21:21:46 <jflory7> Right.
21:22:04 <puiterwijk> stickster: if you have a 1-to-1 mapping from old to new, I can easily reorganize those bunch in the database
21:22:04 <stickster> puiterwijk: Correct -- I mean specifically moving them to accurate categories, and only removing empty categories afterward
21:22:14 <stickster> I don't think we do :-(
21:22:19 <ridgemat> Maybe there's a WP plugin to change posts with X category to Y category?
21:22:24 <stickster> it's going to be a manual process, unfortunately
21:22:38 <puiterwijk> ridgemat: well, that's not the issue. The problem seems to be there's no such mapping. I could easily fix it otherwise
21:22:56 <ridgemat> puiterwijk: Ah, OK!
21:23:17 <puiterwijk> stickster: so, to prevent having to pain you or anyone else... how about I give you a csv file with article ID,title and current category, and you can just update category in there and send the list back?
21:23:31 <stickster> puiterwijk: That's one way to do it, sure!
21:23:50 <puiterwijk> That should make it easier for you (or whomever does that) than to have to go to each individual article and fix it and what not
21:23:52 <stickster> puiterwijk: I actually know how to do this in the SQL but I'm betting you'll be more careful :-)
21:24:15 <puiterwijk> Well, if you know how to do it, feel free to. Just be careful as it's a live database. :)
21:24:35 <stickster> Yeah -- it's basically an UPDATE statement
21:24:43 <stickster> But I can pull the data out and do this fairly accurately I think
21:24:49 <stickster> again, low priority
21:25:02 <puiterwijk> Okay, great. Just thought I'd let you know we can make it easier for the person doing this
21:25:07 <stickster> thanks puiterwijk
21:25:16 <jflory7> puiterwijk++
21:25:21 <stickster> puiterwijk++
21:25:32 <puiterwijk> jflory7: soon... very soon you'll be able to give new cookies :)
21:25:35 <puiterwijk> (after F24 GA)
21:25:42 <jflory7> :)
21:25:46 * jflory7 is excited
21:26:16 <jflory7> Anyways, shall we jump back into drafts?
21:26:24 <stickster> yeah
21:26:25 <stickster> #topic Drafts
21:26:42 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:28:12 <stickster> #info -- Fedora on diaspora --
21:28:18 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12844&preview=1&_ppp=6f4471eda1
21:28:37 <jflory7> This one is looking pretty solid.
21:28:41 <jflory7> Short and sweet, to the point
21:28:53 <stickster> What does the \* mean after diaspora?
21:29:06 <stickster> is that a typo?
21:29:16 <jflory7> I think that's intentional.
21:29:25 <jflory7> Part of their branding, I think
21:29:34 <jbishop> It's what's used in the branding. https://diasporafoundation.org/
21:29:42 <stickster> Is it diaspora* or diaspora\*?
21:29:46 <stickster> I only see the former on https://diasp.org/
21:30:06 <jbishop> The \* is to escape the *, since it was causing issues with markdown.
21:30:23 * ridgemat can do a featured image for this if needed :)
21:30:28 <stickster> I would say let's leave it out then.
21:30:43 <stickster> https://diasp.org/ refers to Diaspora consistently without a *
21:31:07 <stickster> Unless diasp.org isn't controlling here
21:31:17 <stickster> Oh lord, https://diasporafoundation.org/ uses star
21:31:24 <jflory7> For the content, I think it's solid overall, but maybe we could expand the "Getting started" section with some screenshots and maybe a few steps to creating an account on the pod that Fedora is on?
21:31:34 <jflory7> I think diasp.org is just one of the many pods for Diaspora.
21:31:34 <stickster> whoever started that * branding needs a slap across the face with a wet trout
21:31:38 <jflory7> Heheh
21:31:51 <MarkDude> stickster: +1
21:32:17 <jflory7> ridgemat: A featured image would be cool. You were already bootstrapped with making them and designed one, I think, right?
21:32:52 <ridgemat> jflory7: Indeed! I'd appreciate a chance to keep learning Inkscape if jbishop wouldn't mind at all?
21:32:55 <stickster> Whatever was up with markdown seems fixed/nonexistent now, worksforme
21:33:21 <jbishop> ridgemat, No problems here.
21:33:35 <ridgemat> jbishop: Thanks :)
21:33:58 <jbishop> So you want me to do a quick step-by-step guide for signing up on diasp.org?
21:34:02 <jflory7> ridgemat: Cool, and do you know about this repo and to submit a pull request with your image after completing it? https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images
21:34:10 <stickster> jflory7: +1, this article needs a little more build out, editing, and screenshots would be nice.
21:34:16 <jflory7> jbishop: I think expanding that section with a little more content and screenshots would be useful.
21:34:21 <stickster> heh, *jinx
21:34:23 <jflory7> :)
21:34:28 <stickster> jbishop++
21:34:28 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for jbishop changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:34:32 <stickster> COOKIE FOR YOU!
21:34:46 <jflory7> jbishop: Oh, and maybe for the bottom section, you could do a screenshot of the Fedora page of Diaspora too.
21:34:55 <stickster> jflory7++
21:35:03 <jbishop> Can do.
21:35:10 <jbishop> I actually had a question about screenshots.
21:35:12 <jflory7> Awesome! :)
21:35:15 <jflory7> And sure, what's up?
21:35:18 <ridgemat> jflory7: Ah, no wasn't aware of that bit.. :)
21:35:36 <jbishop> Is it necessary to use default themes and such when doing screenshots?
21:35:38 <stickster> jbishop: ridgemat: Can you have your work on this article done by the end of this weekend?
21:35:53 <stickster> jbishop: Much preferred that way --  and also use a lower screen resolution
21:35:59 <ridgemat> stickster: I can
21:36:12 <jbishop> Sure thing.
21:36:24 <stickster> jbishop: 1280x800 is probably max -- that way the text stays somewhat legible even in scaled down screenshot
21:36:33 <jflory7> ridgemat: Okay, no worries! There's a lot of templates and useful information in that repo too for the design work, you'll probably find that all useful. Once you're done, you can submit a PR and request feedback on the Marketing list once you push it out.
21:36:38 <jbishop> Is there a preferred resolution?
21:36:41 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images
21:37:13 <stickster> jbishop: for screenshot? If it's a window, I don't think we have a strict rule, but something ~800x600 is probably best for a window
21:37:28 <decause> +1
21:37:36 <jbishop> stickster, Sounds good. Thanks for the info.
21:37:48 <ridgemat> jflory7: OK great - thanks! I'm using the template SVG etc. but wasn't aware of pull request - thanks for letting me know!
21:37:57 <jflory7> Yep, no problem!
21:38:01 * stickster continues to hate single line entry in IRC since it often makes him say things reundantly that are redundant
21:38:15 <ridgemat> Hehehe
21:38:33 <stickster> #action ridgemat create featured image
21:38:41 <jflory7> Relatable :)
21:38:49 <stickster> #action jbishop Add process for signup as well as Fedora diaspora* page screenshot
21:39:09 <jflory7> Awesome!
21:39:11 <stickster> I would propose we try to publish this one Wednesday?
21:39:23 * stickster was thinking CTA for writers on Monday
21:39:31 <jflory7> If it sounds good to jbishop and ridgemat, I'm +1 for aiming for that!
21:39:43 * ridgemat nods
21:39:52 <jbishop> It shouldn't take long to wrap things up now that I know where I'm going.
21:39:58 <stickster> #agreed publish diaspora* article Wednesday
21:40:18 <decause> CTA monday seems doable
21:40:30 <stickster> #info -- OVS bridges --
21:40:31 <decause> I looked at the article, it's got most of the bones
21:40:38 <jflory7> Awesome, and that sounds good for that one too
21:40:38 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12840&preview=1&_ppp=2df802258f
21:40:44 <stickster> +1
21:41:04 <stickster> So this article looks interesting, but we need someone who knows something about the subject matter to check it.
21:41:13 <decause> question: It's not possible to do multiple authors on a post, is it?
21:41:20 <stickster> But on top of that, the text is super-rough. :-( it basically needs rewriting
21:41:22 <decause> (I had this asked in a different place)
21:41:23 <jflory7> decause: Unfortunately, no. :(
21:41:28 <jflory7> Maybe with plugins.
21:41:30 <decause> jflory7: kk, good to konw
21:41:36 <stickster> jflory7: maybe?
21:41:46 <decause> not a dealbreaker, just curious
21:41:48 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12840&preview=1&_ppp=2df802258f
21:41:52 <stickster> oops, sorry, wrong link
21:41:55 <stickster> https://wordpress.org/plugins/co-authors-plus/
21:42:24 <jflory7> That plugin might be worth checking out.
21:42:34 <puiterwijk> stickster: I can help with that article's domain knowledge. I know a thing or two about OVS. (basically built my own network on it)
21:42:37 <decause> looks active
21:43:01 <jflory7> As for this article, +1 stickster
21:43:01 <jflory7> Who would be appropriate to reach out for a technical proof?
21:43:03 <jflory7> Server / Cloud WGs?
21:43:17 <stickster> sounds like puiterwijk can do it
21:43:48 <jflory7> Ooh, awesome!
21:43:52 <stickster> puiterwijk: That would be great. If you could also attempt to clarify the writing, that would be great. You don't have to be a whiz at writing style, though.  Just see if you can make some of the more difficult text into something a bit more clear. I can polish it.
21:44:16 <stickster> puiterwijk: There are parts where I can't tell what Ashutosh is trying to get across, but you as an expert will probably understand
21:44:33 <puiterwijk> stickster: sounds good. I can add some more explaining and make it less rough.
21:44:37 <jflory7> (As a heads-up, I have a hard stop in ten minutes)
21:45:01 <jflory7> puiterwijk++ again :)
21:45:39 <puiterwijk> Rewriting after that will most likely be on you or someone else though. I probably can rewrite it entirely,but not sure I have the time to do a full rewrite before the weekend at least.
21:45:55 <jflory7> I think we can help you out on that one.
21:46:08 <jflory7> As long as it's technically sound, either stickster, ryanlerch, myself, or someone else should be able to lend a hand.
21:46:09 <stickster> puiterwijk: no full rewrite needed, just if you can explain a bit better it would be immensely helpful
21:46:12 <stickster> jflory7: exactly
21:46:19 <puiterwijk> stickster: no problem there.
21:46:26 <jflory7> Excellent!
21:46:39 <stickster> #action puiterwijk do technical editing on OVS article and alert jflory and pfrields when done
21:46:48 <jflory7> +1
21:47:24 <stickster> #info -- Owncloud --
21:47:26 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12941&preview=1&_ppp=ff9f3402bb
21:47:58 <jflory7> This one looks like a pitch
21:48:15 <stickster> yeah, I think so too -- ridgemat, did you or anyone talk about a date for this yet?
21:48:30 <jflory7> I am totally +1. Trying to think of whether it would be better in one shot or broken up as a series.
21:48:46 <stickster> jflory7: man, it's like you have ESPN or something
21:48:50 <ridgemat> I was hoping to get this started this week, but I'm afraid I've had a lot of client work happening. Should have more to it for next week's meeting, with a more obvious possible publish date
21:49:08 <stickster> ridgemat: That sounds good. I think jflory7 and I are both in agreement you could break this into a few smaller articles
21:49:09 <jflory7> I could see it as <installing ownCloud in OpenShift> and then <using it in your Fedora desktop environment>
21:49:13 <decause> stickster: lolclassic quote
21:49:16 <stickster> jflory7: GET OUT OF MY MIND
21:49:17 <jflory7> stickster: heheh
21:49:34 <jflory7> This seems like a recurring pattern! ;)
21:49:46 <stickster> I'm becoming more obsolete by the week
21:49:46 <ridgemat> jflory7: Those two posts sound good to me, I had the same thought
21:50:08 <puiterwijk> stickster: oh, so I should prepare to have my manager meetings with jflory7 from soon on? :)
21:50:16 <jflory7> LOL
21:50:17 <stickster> #agreed Break this into two separate articles -- Openshift installation, and desktop environment integrations
21:50:24 <stickster> puiterwijk: don't count it out quite yet
21:50:53 <jflory7> stickster: You're an irreplaceable part of the team regardless. :) Everyone always has a mentor getting started too.
21:50:54 <ridgemat> I'll have post #1 ready for next Thursday for sign off at the latest
21:51:04 <stickster> ridgemat: That sounds incredibly awesome, +1
21:51:18 <jflory7> ridgemat: Awesome, I think that sounds awesome! And maybe we can aim for doing that one on Friday, depending on how next week goes.
21:51:34 <stickster> I MEAN IT, STOP
21:51:41 * stickster runs away screaming in terror
21:51:44 <ridgemat> ......Awesome! :D
21:51:55 * stickster puts on tinfoil hat
21:52:05 <jflory7> Heheheh :)
21:52:06 <stickster> see what you've reduced me to... now I'm one of the crazies
21:52:36 * stickster skips cantarell article because he knows Kohane is still waiting on laptop
21:52:58 <stickster> #info -- Fedora Jam --
21:53:01 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12800&preview=1&_ppp=a9f3971863
21:53:34 * jflory7 scrolls through
21:53:49 <stickster> This article is 90% there IMHO. It just needs some slight tweaks to be a little more up-front that it's mainly about setting up sound services properly
21:53:54 <stickster> maybe a retitling
21:54:02 <stickster> but holy heck it's good
21:54:14 <ridgemat> It's great! Screenshots might be a good idea too?
21:54:39 <stickster> A screenshot would be great, with maybe an audio app running
21:55:06 <stickster> Also there's a reference to a YouTube video but no link
21:55:09 <jflory7> I think so too, screenshots of some of the highlight software in the Spin would be useful. I also think this could use a better lead-in to introduce the Spin, what it does, who it's for, to help pull in the target audience. I see how to get myself started with using it, but I'd like to know a little more about the Spin iteself.
21:55:21 <stickster> jflory7: agreed
21:55:33 <stickster> jflory7: Would you be willing to reach out to the author to get that stuff pulled together?
21:55:40 <jflory7> Also, I've got to take a hard stop -- have to head over to a final appointment with a professor in five minutes.
21:55:41 <jflory7> Sure!
21:55:41 <stickster> We could then set it up for either next Friday or the Monday after depending
21:55:47 <jflory7> Action it to me and I'll be able to take it on.
21:55:50 <stickster> jflory7: thanks, I'll do it
21:55:55 <stickster> action you, that is :-)
21:56:04 <jflory7> Sounds good. Thanks all! See you in channel or at next week's meeting. o/
21:56:13 <stickster> #action jflory7 Contact author and ask for some screenshots -- prepare this for a publication either next Friday or Monday
21:56:16 <stickster> o/
21:56:36 <stickster> #info -- What's new in Workstation --
21:56:47 <stickster> #info This one will be done in time for GA, no need to dwell this week
21:56:57 <stickster> #info -- What do you look forward to in F24? --
21:56:59 <decause> jflory7++
21:57:07 <stickster> love that guy
21:57:09 <ridgemat> Bye jflory7 !
21:57:15 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12557&preview=1&_ppp=768d87f376
21:57:37 <stickster> decause: what's the story with this one?
22:00:04 <ridgemat> I think there was a survey for this wasn't there?
22:00:32 <stickster> ridgemat: Woo received some input from what I understand. Last week I think I suggested that Remy see if he could gather those from Woo and finish up the article
22:01:09 <stickster> #action decause Hit the marketing@ list with an update on this one and let us know if any issues
22:01:22 <stickster> I have to vamoose, and we finished out all the drafts, so yay us!
22:01:29 <stickster> Thank you everyone for attending!
22:01:30 <ridgemat> Yay!
22:01:30 <stickster> #endmeeting