21:00:13 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:13 Meeting started Thu May 19 21:00:13 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:16 #meetingname magazine 21:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:19 #topic Roll call! 21:00:21 .hello pfrields 21:00:23 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:00:31 .hello jflory7 21:00:32 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:00:35 Hiya! 21:01:09 .hello mattnix 21:01:10 ridgemat: mattnix 'Matt Harwood' 21:01:12 Evening all! 21:01:19 #chair ridgemat 21:01:27 Oh, whoops 21:01:31 #chair jflory7 ridgemat 21:01:31 Current chairs: jflory7 ridgemat stickster 21:01:32 :-) 21:01:37 Thanks :) 21:02:08 Oh, ridgemat! 21:02:21 Did you get the Magazine author badge for writing your article? 21:02:27 I forgot to check. 21:02:40 Hmm I'm not sure! Where do I check? :)7 21:02:43 * :) 21:03:08 ridgemat: Your FAS is ridgemat, right? 21:03:19 No, mattnix (annoyingly!) 21:03:25 https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/mattnix 21:03:35 That's right, just a second. :) 21:03:53 Hey guys! 21:04:07 Hi stickster ! How are you? 21:04:22 busy as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs 21:04:55 Ha! :) Busy with productive things at least? 21:05:03 oh yes 21:05:23 F24 is just around the corner now :) 21:05:41 * stickster topics 21:05:47 #topic Quick review of last week 21:06:43 #info Last week was > 44k views, up over 50% from week before 21:06:57 \o/ 21:07:08 This week is looking decent, but needs more material 21:07:24 #topic Quick hits for this week? 21:07:27 Good news! 21:07:38 Sooo... I have an article idea that basically just wrote itself 21:07:42 Ohh? 21:07:44 The Flock 2016 schedule was just published 21:07:49 I was thinking, perfect timing 21:08:02 * stickster ready and willing to write that and publish tonight after we get done 21:08:13 stickster: I'm totally +1. 21:08:36 Is the schedule public yet, by the way? 21:08:39 * jflory7 is looking 21:08:49 +1 , of course 21:08:53 jflory7: yes -- the website will be refreshed within next 1/2 hour at most 21:08:59 * jflory7 nods 21:09:03 Makes sense. 21:09:04 the link is flock2016.sched.org 21:09:20 #action stickster Write Flock schedule article and publish immediately 21:09:36 ridgemat: Also, you've got a few new badges. Your HomeBank one just crested 5k views! Nice work. :) 21:09:43 WOOP WOOP! 21:09:45 ridgemat++ 21:09:50 jflory7: Woo that's great to hear! Thanks! :) 21:09:57 Is anyone going to Krakow for Flock? 21:09:58 ridgemat++ 21:10:23 Okay, cool, so it's on Sched again this year. 21:10:34 ridgemat: I am 21:10:42 (unsurprisingly) 21:10:59 ridgemat: Maybe. Hopefully. :) I submitted a talk that was approved, but I'll have to see how logistics work out with sponsorship. *crosses fingers* 21:11:24 #idea stickster could probably finish tweaking decause article looking for Magazine contributors, and schedule for publication as well 21:11:39 Oh great! I was thinking of maybe going, but wouldn't have known anyone ;) Anyway, don't want to go OT... 21:12:49 stickster: If I recall, that one is all set. ryanlerch wrote it up and decause already reviewed it. I was going to take a peek at it too. 21:13:02 jflory7: I wanted to add a bit to it. 21:13:17 Missing is a bit more call out that we aren't just looking for desktop user stuff 21:13:20 ridgemat: If you can make it out, you should totally see if you can make it. I went to last year's and I would recommend it to anyone. :) 21:13:21 .hello decause 21:13:22 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 21:13:25 it doesn't say that, but I want to emphasize it a bit more. 21:13:39 stickster: Ahh, yeah, that's an important angle to hit. All tech things in Fedora are welcome, desktop or other! 21:13:51 er, let me restate. It's fairly inclusive already, but not emphasized to the degree I would like to see. 21:13:58 * jflory7 nods 21:14:21 "Brevity is good. Clarity is better." 21:15:00 #action stickster tweak CTA seeking writers article, make featured image, and schedule 21:15:06 #chair decause 21:15:06 Current chairs: decause jflory7 ridgemat stickster 21:15:14 Hiya decause! 21:15:16 Hi decause ! 21:15:26 * decause waves 21:16:14 #topic Categories 21:16:59 jflory7: Did all the new categories get set up on the Magazine? 21:17:08 stickster: I believe so, ryanlerch tackled that one. 21:17:12 The old ones are still present, however. 21:17:21 So we'll need to actively make sure we're selecting the new ones. 21:17:45 Maybe adding text to the old ones as "No longer used" but preserving the slug would be a good idea. 21:18:35 I currently see these: (WARNING, text flood coming) 21:18:42 Fedora Contributor Community 21:18:42 5 Things in Fedora This Week 21:18:43 Events 21:18:43 Fedora Project community 21:18:43 For Developers 21:18:45 For System Administrators 21:18:47 Interviews 21:18:50 New in Fedora 21:18:52 Uncategorized 21:18:55 Using Hardware 21:18:57 Using Software 21:19:01 Which are supposed to be deprecated? 21:19:59 Hmm. The old ones were "For {Developers,System Administrators}" and Fedora Project community, but they all still work. Maybe ryanlerch left them there intentionally for use, some of the old ones were definitely purged. 21:20:14 Looks like: * Fedora Project community, * For {role}... that's it, right? 21:20:16 Maybe good to follow up and make sure. All of those categories seem relevant and useful to me. 21:20:17 ah, *jinx 21:20:17 Yeah. 21:20:25 #link https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/210 21:20:32 found the ticket, cool 21:21:18 I'm guessing we should reorganize those. At some point it becomes awful to do that... there are > 500 articles out there now 21:21:36 er, I mean, reorganize the articles into proper categories 21:21:41 Note that you might want to be careful with plain removal of categories before you reassigned other articles, since I don't know what it does with articles that are using the categories when you delete them. 21:21:46 Right. 21:22:04 stickster: if you have a 1-to-1 mapping from old to new, I can easily reorganize those bunch in the database 21:22:04 puiterwijk: Correct -- I mean specifically moving them to accurate categories, and only removing empty categories afterward 21:22:14 I don't think we do :-( 21:22:19 Maybe there's a WP plugin to change posts with X category to Y category? 21:22:24 it's going to be a manual process, unfortunately 21:22:38 ridgemat: well, that's not the issue. The problem seems to be there's no such mapping. I could easily fix it otherwise 21:22:56 puiterwijk: Ah, OK! 21:23:17 stickster: so, to prevent having to pain you or anyone else... how about I give you a csv file with article ID,title and current category, and you can just update category in there and send the list back? 21:23:31 puiterwijk: That's one way to do it, sure! 21:23:50 That should make it easier for you (or whomever does that) than to have to go to each individual article and fix it and what not 21:23:52 puiterwijk: I actually know how to do this in the SQL but I'm betting you'll be more careful :-) 21:24:15 Well, if you know how to do it, feel free to. Just be careful as it's a live database. :) 21:24:35 Yeah -- it's basically an UPDATE statement 21:24:43 But I can pull the data out and do this fairly accurately I think 21:24:49 again, low priority 21:25:02 Okay, great. Just thought I'd let you know we can make it easier for the person doing this 21:25:07 thanks puiterwijk 21:25:16 puiterwijk++ 21:25:21 puiterwijk++ 21:25:32 jflory7: soon... very soon you'll be able to give new cookies :) 21:25:35 (after F24 GA) 21:25:42 :) 21:25:46 * jflory7 is excited 21:26:16 Anyways, shall we jump back into drafts? 21:26:24 yeah 21:26:25 #topic Drafts 21:26:42 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 21:28:12 #info -- Fedora on diaspora -- 21:28:18 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12844&preview=1&_ppp=6f4471eda1 21:28:37 This one is looking pretty solid. 21:28:41 Short and sweet, to the point 21:28:53 What does the \* mean after diaspora? 21:29:06 is that a typo? 21:29:16 I think that's intentional. 21:29:25 Part of their branding, I think 21:29:34 It's what's used in the branding. https://diasporafoundation.org/ 21:29:42 Is it diaspora* or diaspora\*? 21:29:46 I only see the former on https://diasp.org/ 21:30:06 The \* is to escape the *, since it was causing issues with markdown. 21:30:23 * ridgemat can do a featured image for this if needed :) 21:30:28 I would say let's leave it out then. 21:30:43 https://diasp.org/ refers to Diaspora consistently without a * 21:31:07 Unless diasp.org isn't controlling here 21:31:17 Oh lord, https://diasporafoundation.org/ uses star 21:31:24 For the content, I think it's solid overall, but maybe we could expand the "Getting started" section with some screenshots and maybe a few steps to creating an account on the pod that Fedora is on? 21:31:34 I think diasp.org is just one of the many pods for Diaspora. 21:31:34 whoever started that * branding needs a slap across the face with a wet trout 21:31:38 Heheh 21:31:51 stickster: +1 21:32:17 ridgemat: A featured image would be cool. You were already bootstrapped with making them and designed one, I think, right? 21:32:52 jflory7: Indeed! I'd appreciate a chance to keep learning Inkscape if jbishop wouldn't mind at all? 21:32:55 Whatever was up with markdown seems fixed/nonexistent now, worksforme 21:33:21 ridgemat, No problems here. 21:33:35 jbishop: Thanks :) 21:33:58 So you want me to do a quick step-by-step guide for signing up on diasp.org? 21:34:02 ridgemat: Cool, and do you know about this repo and to submit a pull request with your image after completing it? https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images 21:34:10 jflory7: +1, this article needs a little more build out, editing, and screenshots would be nice. 21:34:16 jbishop: I think expanding that section with a little more content and screenshots would be useful. 21:34:21 heh, *jinx 21:34:23 :) 21:34:28 jbishop++ 21:34:28 stickster: Karma for jbishop changed to 4 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:34:32 COOKIE FOR YOU! 21:34:46 jbishop: Oh, and maybe for the bottom section, you could do a screenshot of the Fedora page of Diaspora too. 21:34:55 jflory7++ 21:35:03 Can do. 21:35:10 I actually had a question about screenshots. 21:35:12 Awesome! :) 21:35:15 And sure, what's up? 21:35:18 jflory7: Ah, no wasn't aware of that bit.. :) 21:35:36 Is it necessary to use default themes and such when doing screenshots? 21:35:38 jbishop: ridgemat: Can you have your work on this article done by the end of this weekend? 21:35:53 jbishop: Much preferred that way -- and also use a lower screen resolution 21:35:59 stickster: I can 21:36:12 Sure thing. 21:36:24 jbishop: 1280x800 is probably max -- that way the text stays somewhat legible even in scaled down screenshot 21:36:33 ridgemat: Okay, no worries! There's a lot of templates and useful information in that repo too for the design work, you'll probably find that all useful. Once you're done, you can submit a PR and request feedback on the Marketing list once you push it out. 21:36:38 Is there a preferred resolution? 21:36:41 #link https://pagure.io/fedoramagazine-images 21:37:13 jbishop: for screenshot? If it's a window, I don't think we have a strict rule, but something ~800x600 is probably best for a window 21:37:28 +1 21:37:36 stickster, Sounds good. Thanks for the info. 21:37:48 jflory7: OK great - thanks! I'm using the template SVG etc. but wasn't aware of pull request - thanks for letting me know! 21:37:57 Yep, no problem! 21:38:01 * stickster continues to hate single line entry in IRC since it often makes him say things reundantly that are redundant 21:38:15 Hehehe 21:38:33 #action ridgemat create featured image 21:38:41 Relatable :) 21:38:49 #action jbishop Add process for signup as well as Fedora diaspora* page screenshot 21:39:09 Awesome! 21:39:11 I would propose we try to publish this one Wednesday? 21:39:23 * stickster was thinking CTA for writers on Monday 21:39:31 If it sounds good to jbishop and ridgemat, I'm +1 for aiming for that! 21:39:43 * ridgemat nods 21:39:52 It shouldn't take long to wrap things up now that I know where I'm going. 21:39:58 #agreed publish diaspora* article Wednesday 21:40:18 CTA monday seems doable 21:40:30 #info -- OVS bridges -- 21:40:31 I looked at the article, it's got most of the bones 21:40:38 Awesome, and that sounds good for that one too 21:40:38 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12840&preview=1&_ppp=2df802258f 21:40:44 +1 21:41:04 So this article looks interesting, but we need someone who knows something about the subject matter to check it. 21:41:13 question: It's not possible to do multiple authors on a post, is it? 21:41:20 But on top of that, the text is super-rough. :-( it basically needs rewriting 21:41:22 (I had this asked in a different place) 21:41:23 decause: Unfortunately, no. :( 21:41:28 Maybe with plugins. 21:41:30 jflory7: kk, good to konw 21:41:36 jflory7: maybe? 21:41:46 not a dealbreaker, just curious 21:41:48 https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12840&preview=1&_ppp=2df802258f 21:41:52 oops, sorry, wrong link 21:41:55 https://wordpress.org/plugins/co-authors-plus/ 21:42:24 That plugin might be worth checking out. 21:42:34 stickster: I can help with that article's domain knowledge. I know a thing or two about OVS. (basically built my own network on it) 21:42:37 looks active 21:43:01 As for this article, +1 stickster 21:43:01 Who would be appropriate to reach out for a technical proof? 21:43:03 Server / Cloud WGs? 21:43:17 sounds like puiterwijk can do it 21:43:48 Ooh, awesome! 21:43:52 puiterwijk: That would be great. If you could also attempt to clarify the writing, that would be great. You don't have to be a whiz at writing style, though. Just see if you can make some of the more difficult text into something a bit more clear. I can polish it. 21:44:16 puiterwijk: There are parts where I can't tell what Ashutosh is trying to get across, but you as an expert will probably understand 21:44:33 stickster: sounds good. I can add some more explaining and make it less rough. 21:44:37 (As a heads-up, I have a hard stop in ten minutes) 21:45:01 puiterwijk++ again :) 21:45:39 Rewriting after that will most likely be on you or someone else though. I probably can rewrite it entirely,but not sure I have the time to do a full rewrite before the weekend at least. 21:45:55 I think we can help you out on that one. 21:46:08 As long as it's technically sound, either stickster, ryanlerch, myself, or someone else should be able to lend a hand. 21:46:09 puiterwijk: no full rewrite needed, just if you can explain a bit better it would be immensely helpful 21:46:12 jflory7: exactly 21:46:19 stickster: no problem there. 21:46:26 Excellent! 21:46:39 #action puiterwijk do technical editing on OVS article and alert jflory and pfrields when done 21:46:48 +1 21:47:24 #info -- Owncloud -- 21:47:26 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12941&preview=1&_ppp=ff9f3402bb 21:47:58 This one looks like a pitch 21:48:15 yeah, I think so too -- ridgemat, did you or anyone talk about a date for this yet? 21:48:30 I am totally +1. Trying to think of whether it would be better in one shot or broken up as a series. 21:48:46 jflory7: man, it's like you have ESPN or something 21:48:50 I was hoping to get this started this week, but I'm afraid I've had a lot of client work happening. Should have more to it for next week's meeting, with a more obvious possible publish date 21:49:08 ridgemat: That sounds good. I think jflory7 and I are both in agreement you could break this into a few smaller articles 21:49:09 I could see it as and then 21:49:13 stickster: lolclassic quote 21:49:16 jflory7: GET OUT OF MY MIND 21:49:17 stickster: heheh 21:49:34 This seems like a recurring pattern! ;) 21:49:46 I'm becoming more obsolete by the week 21:49:46 jflory7: Those two posts sound good to me, I had the same thought 21:50:08 stickster: oh, so I should prepare to have my manager meetings with jflory7 from soon on? :) 21:50:16 LOL 21:50:17 #agreed Break this into two separate articles -- Openshift installation, and desktop environment integrations 21:50:24 puiterwijk: don't count it out quite yet 21:50:53 stickster: You're an irreplaceable part of the team regardless. :) Everyone always has a mentor getting started too. 21:50:54 I'll have post #1 ready for next Thursday for sign off at the latest 21:51:04 ridgemat: That sounds incredibly awesome, +1 21:51:18 ridgemat: Awesome, I think that sounds awesome! And maybe we can aim for doing that one on Friday, depending on how next week goes. 21:51:34 I MEAN IT, STOP 21:51:41 * stickster runs away screaming in terror 21:51:44 ......Awesome! :D 21:51:55 * stickster puts on tinfoil hat 21:52:05 Heheheh :) 21:52:06 see what you've reduced me to... now I'm one of the crazies 21:52:36 * stickster skips cantarell article because he knows Kohane is still waiting on laptop 21:52:58 #info -- Fedora Jam -- 21:53:01 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12800&preview=1&_ppp=a9f3971863 21:53:34 * jflory7 scrolls through 21:53:49 This article is 90% there IMHO. It just needs some slight tweaks to be a little more up-front that it's mainly about setting up sound services properly 21:53:54 maybe a retitling 21:54:02 but holy heck it's good 21:54:14 It's great! Screenshots might be a good idea too? 21:54:39 A screenshot would be great, with maybe an audio app running 21:55:06 Also there's a reference to a YouTube video but no link 21:55:09 I think so too, screenshots of some of the highlight software in the Spin would be useful. I also think this could use a better lead-in to introduce the Spin, what it does, who it's for, to help pull in the target audience. I see how to get myself started with using it, but I'd like to know a little more about the Spin iteself. 21:55:21 jflory7: agreed 21:55:33 jflory7: Would you be willing to reach out to the author to get that stuff pulled together? 21:55:40 Also, I've got to take a hard stop -- have to head over to a final appointment with a professor in five minutes. 21:55:41 Sure! 21:55:41 We could then set it up for either next Friday or the Monday after depending 21:55:47 Action it to me and I'll be able to take it on. 21:55:50 jflory7: thanks, I'll do it 21:55:55 action you, that is :-) 21:56:04 Sounds good. Thanks all! See you in channel or at next week's meeting. o/ 21:56:13 #action jflory7 Contact author and ask for some screenshots -- prepare this for a publication either next Friday or Monday 21:56:16 o/ 21:56:36 #info -- What's new in Workstation -- 21:56:47 #info This one will be done in time for GA, no need to dwell this week 21:56:57 #info -- What do you look forward to in F24? -- 21:56:59 jflory7++ 21:57:07 love that guy 21:57:09 Bye jflory7 ! 21:57:15 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12557&preview=1&_ppp=768d87f376 21:57:37 decause: what's the story with this one? 22:00:04 I think there was a survey for this wasn't there? 22:00:32 ridgemat: Woo received some input from what I understand. Last week I think I suggested that Remy see if he could gather those from Woo and finish up the article 22:01:09 #action decause Hit the marketing@ list with an update on this one and let us know if any issues 22:01:22 I have to vamoose, and we finished out all the drafts, so yay us! 22:01:29 Thank you everyone for attending! 22:01:30 Yay! 22:01:30 #endmeeting