04:30:18 <pravins> #startmeeting L10N 04:30:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 15 04:30:18 2016 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:30:19 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:30:19 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'l10n' 04:30:19 <pravins> #meetingname L10N 04:30:19 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'l10n' 04:30:24 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 04:30:24 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2016-06-15 04:30:32 <pravins> Who available for meeting today? 04:30:35 <suanand> hi.. 04:30:43 <paragan> hi 04:30:49 <juhp> hi 04:30:59 <epico> hi 04:31:07 <mfabian> Hi 04:31:09 <pravins> hi suanand paragan juhp epico :) 04:31:11 <pravins> hi mfabian :) 04:31:22 <pravins> #chair suanand paragan juhp epico mfabian 04:31:22 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand 04:32:07 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule 04:32:07 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule 04:32:07 <pravins> #info 2016-06-21 Fedora 24 Final Release (GA) 04:32:25 <pravins> As you might have seen earlier, Fedora final release slip further by 1 week. 04:32:32 <juhp> ah 04:33:06 <pravins> .bug 1320273 04:33:07 <zodbot> pravins: Bug 1320273 chainloading bootmgr.efi on UEFI results in error: out of memory - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1320273 04:33:30 <pravins> This is fixed now, so lets get ready for F24 release :) 04:33:33 <pravins> hi noriko 04:33:35 <pravins> #chair noriko 04:33:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico juhp mfabian noriko paragan pravins suanand 04:33:57 <jibecfed> hi 04:34:07 <pravins> hi jibecfed :) 04:34:09 <pravins> #chair jibecfed 04:34:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico jibecfed juhp mfabian noriko paragan pravins suanand 04:34:38 <pravins> We have big list of topic today. 04:34:59 <pravins> #topic Fedora 25 planning 04:34:59 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/24 04:35:14 <pravins> We have already started discussion on Fedora 25 i18n feature/change planning. 04:35:27 <pravins> This ticket is more on Translation and Zanata side. 04:35:37 <tagoh_> hi 04:35:53 <juhp> aha 04:35:56 <pravins> As far as i think, traditionally i have never seen translations planning for particular release. 04:36:25 <pravins> What should be translations plan for particular release? 04:36:53 <pravins> off course 1 can be process improvemenet 04:37:00 <pravins> s/improvement 04:37:22 <jibecfed> I can think of it 04:37:45 <pravins> yeah, you already working on number of those. i.e. making things translatable. 04:37:46 <jibecfed> but as Fedora want to bundle upstream packages, I don't see much possibility on this side 04:38:12 <jibecfed> I would say we have more challenges in Fedora project processes 04:38:20 <pravins> +1 04:38:33 <pravins> #idea More challenge in Fedora project processes 04:39:01 <pravins> #undo 04:39:01 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: IDEA by pravins at 04:38:33 : More challenge in Fedora project processes 04:39:10 <pravins> #idea More challenge in Fedora project translation processes 04:39:18 <pravins> to be more clear for readers :) 04:39:25 <jibecfed> but this ticket is in conflict with wiki page 04:39:57 <pravins> not understood. 04:40:40 <jibecfed> we had a wiki page for F24 with items we wanted to solve in internationalisation and translation 04:41:03 <pravins> aha, yeah. We should work on that page and move items still pending to F25. 04:41:29 <pravins> jibecfed: would you like to take that item? i.e. moving pending item for F25 enhancement plans 04:41:45 <jibecfed> yep 04:41:48 <pravins> great 04:42:14 <pravins> #action jibecfed moving pending items from F24 enhancement plans to F25 enhancement plans 04:42:21 <pravins> We can use that link on this ticket 04:42:49 <pravins> For F25 translation planning, i think we need more people involvement 04:42:54 <pravins> who are active with translations 04:43:19 <pravins> so either good to move this item to mailing list, some other dedicated meeting or further discussion in flock 04:43:42 <pravins> noriko: would you like to take this item? 04:44:00 <noriko> pravins, I am not sure if I can come yet. 04:44:22 <pravins> noriko: not flock, starting discussion with active members from translation about F25 planning 04:44:32 <pravins> so may be take this to mailing list or have dedicated discussions 04:44:48 <noriko> sure :-) 04:45:13 <pravins> thanks :) 04:45:40 <pravins> #action noriko will move F25 planning discussion item to wider audience through mailing list or "dedicated meeting/discussion" 04:45:51 <jibecfed> #link wiki page with F24 enhancements https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements 04:46:06 <pravins> will come again to this next meeting 04:46:20 <pravins> moving to next item 04:46:25 <pravins> #topic Planning activities for Flock 2016 04:46:25 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/23 04:46:42 <pravins> yeah, i know most of us yet not confirmed travel for flock :( 04:46:46 <pravins> Even not sure for me, 04:46:54 <pravins> But i think its good to have some plan in place. 04:47:26 <pravins> as jibecfed mentioned on list, it will be good to have discussion with Web, docs and infra team during flock 04:47:42 <pravins> noriko: i remember you had some meeting with Fedora docs in DevConf 2016? 04:49:07 <noriko> yes, I did. 04:49:52 <noriko> there are some difficulty in publishing system, nothing to do our side. 04:50:07 <pravins> aha 04:50:42 <pravins> if its possible will be nice to have quick meeting with them and talk on pending issue. 04:50:48 <pravins> most important we should have list ready :) 04:51:30 <jibecfed> or just remove obsolete content from Zanata 04:51:44 <pravins> jibecfed: did you able to register at https://register.flocktofedora.org ? 04:51:50 <pravins> i cant see your name here still 04:52:03 <pravins> Zoltan Hoppar is already there. 04:52:40 <jibecfed> pravins: I did to make a talk proposal 04:53:00 <pravins> but your name is not there in attendee list 04:53:15 <pravins> login there and see current registration list 04:53:32 <pravins> there were 2 task: 1 propose talk and do registration, if i am correct :) 04:53:47 <jibecfed> "Registration ID: 147" 04:54:12 <pravins> name? 04:54:25 <jibecfed> .fas jibecfed 04:54:25 <zodbot> jibecfed: jibecfedora 'Jean-Baptiste' <jb@holcroft.fr> - jibecfed 'Jean-Baptiste Holcroft' <jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr> 04:54:46 <pravins> dunno, i still cant see it. 04:55:08 <pravins> lets take this offline. 04:55:13 <pravins> moving to next topic 04:55:19 <pravins> #topic Mismatch in Zanata username and FAS name 04:55:19 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/22 04:55:32 <pravins> I see this is already resolved in verified state 04:55:43 <pravins> but not sure when Zanata is planning next deployment 04:56:00 <pravins> does aeng around ? 04:56:38 <pravins> next topic again on same line 04:56:39 <pravins> #topic Implementing Fedora badges for translations in Zanata 04:56:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/19 04:56:53 <pravins> Even if i see JIRA this is also verified state 04:56:58 <pravins> but not sure for deployment plans 04:57:26 <pravins> noriko: can you confirm with Zanata team for next deployment plans with this fixes/improvements? 04:57:47 <noriko> alex is on leave today. 04:58:43 <pravins> sure 04:58:56 <pravins> lets ask this on JIRA itself 04:59:27 <pravins> noriko: can you help here? on there plans for next deployments. 05:02:42 <pravins> i will ask on ticket 05:02:56 <pravins> #action pravins to ask on ticket for Zanata next deployment plans 05:03:42 <pravins> moving to next topic 05:03:43 <jibecfed> #idea if we know next deployment plans, we should improve Zanata's translation ;) 05:04:19 <pravins> jibecfed: you means G11N of Zanata product? 05:04:55 <jibecfed> I mean translation of Zanata product yes 05:05:20 <pravins> agree, not easy to digest Zanata is not translated. 05:05:40 <pravins> good point !! 05:05:47 <pravins> moving to next topic 05:05:52 <pravins> #topic Tracking translation bugs 05:05:52 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/25 05:06:16 <pravins> noriko: you might have missed this earlier, but basically we proposed to have trans-bugs@list for tracking translations related bugs 05:06:46 <pravins> i did sent this to trans list earlier not one replied. I take it as no one opposed ;) 05:06:55 <noriko> why not trans at lists ? 05:07:22 <suanand> pravins, (info) perhaps Zanata 3.9.0 release is scheduled, perhaps early next week. 05:08:11 <pravins> suanand: thanks for info :) Now next query is whether above issue fixes will go into it. 05:08:38 <pravins> noriko: those will be so many bugs and i think more traffic 05:08:42 <noriko> pravins, sorry I missed out your post. why do we create another mailing list for bug? what is the point? 05:08:43 <jibecfed> suanand: ok, it's a release, but do we know when it will get to fedora.zanata.org ? 05:08:59 <pravins> for example, think for email about 49 bugs we reported in l10n translation day 05:09:15 <pravins> weekly or monthly email about each email on trans list. 05:09:50 <pravins> noriko: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/25 05:09:54 <suanand> it takes some time propagating to prod environments, we have some comments regarding pulling of translations here: https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-1054 05:09:58 <pravins> https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/25 05:10:07 <noriko> jibecfed, pravin, zanata update can be asked at #zanata channel? 05:10:08 <pravins> #link for thread https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/Q5ORSBBV6RYZHKML7SP2SLLQ7EOAFR57/ 05:10:40 <pravins> noriko: i think, lets discuss this topic on mailing list itself 05:11:21 <pravins> you will get some background from email. :) 05:11:41 <jibecfed> I'll update this ticket pravins 05:12:00 <pravins> thanks. 05:12:27 <pravins> Skipping LiveMedia, will track it on i18n side. 05:12:32 <pravins> #topic completion of G11N/Fedora_24_Talking_points 05:12:33 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_Talking_points 05:12:45 <pravins> thanks noriko and jibecfed for updating this page. 05:12:48 <noriko> I kinda remember this post. this relates to fltg, we should have involvement and agreement from fltg. 05:13:15 <pravins> noriko: yeah, unfortunately no one i have seen from FLTG from last 2 months 05:13:25 <pravins> :( 05:13:47 <pravins> even we missed our Testing day report on communityblog due to no contributors 05:14:01 <noriko> then we shouldn't push forward new mailing list idea yet... I feel 05:14:07 <pravins> i will be happy to get some comments from either FLTG or anyone :) 05:14:57 <noriko> I am one of main player of bug triage, and it concerns directly to me. 05:16:13 <pravins> noriko: yeah, triaging can also help to get F25 plans, as you mentioned it last time. 05:16:28 <pravins> how should we proceed for F24 talking points plan? 05:16:45 <pravins> I think we have good information now. 05:16:54 <pravins> I want to add information about languages supported from i18n side. 05:17:02 <pravins> I will work with tagoh_ after meeting 05:17:26 <pravins> basically, looking for script which can take input all supported locales in glibc 05:17:34 <pravins> and list out supporting packages IME, fonts. 05:17:46 <noriko> sounds great 05:17:58 <pravins> it can give good picture about language support we have :) 05:18:14 <pravins> Fedora 24 is releasing on 21st, i think we should talk with marketing 05:18:18 <pravins> how they want to take it up 05:18:25 <tagoh_> pravins: if anything I can help, feel free to ping me :) 05:18:41 <pravins> tagoh_: sure, will ping you, thanks :) 05:19:08 <pravins> moving to next 05:19:10 <pravins> #topic Work in progress items 05:19:24 <pravins> #info ability to translate developer-portal 05:19:24 <pravins> #link https://github.com/developer-portal/content/issues/131 05:19:36 <pravins> jibecfed: would you like to update on this? 05:19:52 <pravins> umm last comment 23days back :( 05:19:55 <jibecfed> no improvements in here, unless aeng heard from de dev ? 05:20:40 <pravins> aeng: not here today :( 05:21:01 <jibecfed> oups, so i'll ping them, next then 05:21:08 <pravins> nice 05:21:10 <pravins> #info ability to translate fedora-hubs 05:21:10 <pravins> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/163 05:21:42 <jibecfed> same here, it's going to be a big fight, because hubs is huge 05:21:43 <pravins> i have query here, so Connecting Zanata with FedMsg will help here, right? 05:22:03 <pravins> jibecfed: so good to have meeting with Hubs team in flock? 05:22:28 <jibecfed> I understand it will send events, but Zanata don't send anything to FedMsg yet, and even when it will, we'll need to add more hooks 05:22:59 <jibecfed> pravins: I'll send them a proposition 05:23:17 <pravins> aha, hope soon we will have Zanata deployed 05:23:22 <noriko> I've started having discussion with fedora hubs team, will give some update soonish. 05:23:33 <pravins> noriko: that nice 05:23:49 <jibecfed> noriko: good, about translation or webhooks ? 05:24:28 <noriko> translation and the integration with zanata. 05:24:55 <pravins> Will be nice to have more discussion with Hubs 05:25:04 <pravins> moving to next one 05:25:05 <pravins> #info automation of whatcanidoforfedora 05:25:05 <pravins> #link https://github.com/fedora-infra/asknot-ng/issues/69 05:25:32 <noriko> praiskup, jibecfed if you have any ticket or discussion point, pls forward me so that I will put them in one place 05:26:02 <jibecfed> noriko: only the one pravins sent 05:26:26 <praiskup> s/praiskup/somebody else probably?/ :) 05:26:55 <jibecfed> about whatcanidoforfedora no change in here, ralph bean said he will work on automation in Flock, until then, we need to ping him on IRC to have doc update 05:26:57 <pravins> praiskup: yeah, it supposed to be me. We are "pra" club :) 05:27:49 <pravins> There is project Zanata sync 05:27:52 <pravins> may be it can help here 05:28:12 <noriko> pravins, #link https://github.com/fedora-infra/asknot-ng/issues/69 relates fedora-hubs, yes? 05:28:30 <pravins> noriko: no this is whatcanidofor Fedora 05:28:38 <pravins> noriko: https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/163 this one. 05:28:40 <jibecfed> (sorry, disconnected) 05:28:51 <pravins> no problem 05:28:54 <pravins> will move to next topic 05:28:57 <pravins> #topic Topic from mailing list 05:28:58 <noriko> ok, got that thanks. 05:29:01 <pravins> #info Glossarist 05:29:33 <jibecfed> I gave my point of view on mailing list, I hope it was clear 05:29:55 <pravins> yeah, i gone through that email 05:30:17 <jibecfed> it looks like a good idea, but it's the opposite of productive 05:30:46 <pravins> jibecfed: still i think good to report individual issues. It will help to track 05:30:55 <pravins> i agree, its taking lot time to get final fix :( 05:31:04 <pravins> but it will happen definitely 05:31:34 <jibecfed> noriko: what's your point of view ? 05:33:14 <pravins> i think, we can brainstorm on some Zanata issues in flock and find permanent solutions 05:33:19 <pravins> oh, we are over time. 05:33:28 <pravins> #info Process between Docs and Trans 05:33:44 <noriko> jibecfed, so basically essential point is that glossary to be editable per language base? 05:33:46 <pravins> i missed this thread on mailing list. 05:34:22 <jibecfed> noriko: yep, and to be able to export it, we need a lot of cleanup with 2200 items 05:34:53 <pravins> noriko: may be you can report JIRA for it? 05:35:13 <pravins> jibecfed: has already reported lot :) 05:35:44 <noriko> pls keep update the wiki page of glossary, I will find the way to go. 05:35:57 <jibecfed> I don't mind writing one more, but I'm afraid it won't be fixed 05:36:22 <pravins> lets hope for the best !! 05:36:46 <noriko> obviously we can't ask zanata team to give fix everything what we want. we need to sort out what is essential or critical. 05:37:06 <noriko> and I agree on jibecfed that we have to have language base management. 05:37:43 <pravins> great 05:37:54 <jibecfed> noriko: the problem is, I haven't seen much improvement 05:37:56 <pravins> so whats action item here? :) 05:37:57 <noriko> pravins, once we sort out the possibility of fix, may be JIRA would be good to go. 05:38:12 <pravins> noriko: agree, prioritizing things is also important 05:38:20 <pravins> that is where F25 planning comes important 05:38:43 <noriko> jibecfed, yeah, we shouldn't waste time discussing something not get fix. 05:38:44 <pravins> Dunno, do we need separate planning for Fedora-Zanata for F25 05:39:12 <pravins> #idea separate planning for Fedora-Zanata for F25 timeframe.. 05:39:31 <pravins> moving to next topic 05:39:34 <jibecfed> noriko: can we make a rollback on glossary or should we keep it as it ? 05:39:48 <noriko> pravins, I don't mind to include zanata planning in f25 still :-) 05:40:10 <noriko> just we may need to set how far we go within f25, and rest may move to f26 05:40:27 <pravins> noriko: yeah, but lets have dedicated list/page for it. 05:40:35 <noriko> jibecfed, roll back means? 05:40:36 <pravins> yes 05:40:37 <noriko> remove? 05:40:49 <pravins> nolski: "disable feature" for now. 05:41:05 <jibecfed> it means : return to the previous state of glossary 05:41:16 <jibecfed> or "content" 05:41:47 <noriko> so wipe off any edits made by us, but rollback to original content, yes? 05:42:35 <noriko> in this case, I may need to hear from other who have glossarist permissions. 05:42:39 <jibecfed> sorry, there is no feature to know if someone did something... did someone ? 05:42:40 <pravins> i am waiting for adding action items for this topic 05:43:34 <pravins> what should be that :) 05:43:42 <noriko> ok, action item: jibecfed clarify 'rollback' and 'noriko' get vote from other glossarists. 05:44:03 <jibecfed> +1 05:44:06 <pravins> #action jibecfed provide more info on Rollback 05:44:26 <pravins> #action noriko to get vote from other glossarists 05:44:30 <pravins> thanks noriko ;) 05:44:31 <pravins> :) 05:44:35 <pravins> #topic Next Meeting Date and Time 05:44:50 <pravins> As per our plan next meeting should be 21:00 UTC on 29th 05:44:59 <pravins> as last time, i will not able to host it 05:45:08 <pravins> so if someone else can takeover please feel free !! 05:45:28 <pravins> #info Looking host for next meeting. 05:45:49 <pravins> And we are into last topic 05:45:50 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 05:46:10 <jibecfed> an update on translation of fedora hubs https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/hubs-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ZMGUOK63U76RTGCOFOBDFI6RDOLQSS6D/ 05:46:37 <pravins> #info Update on Fedora bugs translations https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/hubs-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ZMGUOK63U76RTGCOFOBDFI6RDOLQSS6D/ 05:46:51 <jibecfed> bugs ? ;) 05:47:00 <pravins> overtime ;) 05:47:03 <pravins> #undo 05:47:04 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by pravins at 05:46:37 : Update on Fedora bugs translations https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/hubs-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ZMGUOK63U76RTGCOFOBDFI6RDOLQSS6D/ 05:47:11 <pravins> #info Update on Fedora hubs translations https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/hubs-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ZMGUOK63U76RTGCOFOBDFI6RDOLQSS6D/ 05:47:29 <pravins> i think time to stop 05:47:42 <pravins> thanks you all for nice meeting 05:47:47 <pravins> #endmeeting