21:00:01 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:01 Meeting started Thu Jun 23 21:00:01 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:01 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:02 #meetingname magazine 21:00:02 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:04 #topic Roll call 21:00:05 .hello pfrields 21:00:06 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:00:07 .hello jflory7 21:00:09 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:00:11 o/ 21:01:07 \o 21:01:42 Ryanlerch is here sorta 21:01:52 Hiya ryanlerch-m :) 21:01:55 Hi ryanlerch-m 21:02:14 #chair jflory7 ryanlerch-m 21:02:14 Current chairs: jflory7 ryanlerch-m stickster 21:02:25 Just walking to the office now. 5mins til full connectivity 21:02:37 .fas linuxmodder 21:02:37 linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' 21:02:39 * jflory7 nods 21:02:43 (semi here semi not) 21:02:44 #chair linuxmodder 21:02:44 Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodder ryanlerch-m stickster 21:03:10 linuxmodder: o/ 21:03:42 #topic Last week review 21:03:50 So there was something that happened this past week, but I can't recall :-( 21:04:11 Hmmmm... :) 21:04:18 Wonder what that could be! 21:04:49 f24 GA ? 21:04:50 that 21:05:07 Oh yeah! 21:05:11 and a cfap ton of users failing to disable 4rd party repos for upgrade 21:05:31 to be expected 21:05:40 jflory7, while you are here PLS PLS never again offer --nogpg as a workaroudn for dnf system_upgrade 21:05:52 linuxmodder: I read your message this morning 21:06:10 So the great news is stats were way up -- we had over 65K hits between two days based on our blitz 21:06:13 \o/ 21:06:18 i kept it clean for the page but wanted to knock you over the head when I read taht 21:06:20 This week, over 91K hits 21:06:46 nearly + 30k ain't bad 21:06:55 * jflory7 tries to remember what our numbers were from F23 release 21:07:29 https://i.jwf.io/u/ae31aa232aaa99e66733838f2c518c75.png 21:07:40 November really set a high record to beat :) 21:07:52 So right now, we have > 190K for June, but Nov 2015 was > 273K 21:08:22 The F23 GA was earlier in the month, right? 21:08:22 We came close --- almost 8K avg in June 21:08:27 Yes, that's correct 21:08:37 So, I think the takeaway is: 21:08:40 * Keep up the momentum 21:08:49 * Don't worry about saturating the feed 21:09:03 * Keep pointing back to F24 GA articles in other articles, where it makes sense 21:09:36 and / or conttribs blogs too (aka planet) 21:09:52 nad back to other community outlets not bad either 21:10:06 * nirik has something for open floor when we get to it. 21:10:18 stickster: +1 21:10:39 jflory7: I may need your help getting through tonight -- I have company arriving at my house in ~30 min and will be forced afk 21:10:47 stickster: Acknowledged, can do. 21:10:53 One thing while you and ryanlerch are here too: 21:10:54 Oh, stickster / ryanlerch, just so you know, kparal mentioned this morning his comments weren't going through on the Magazine, and after digging, I found a /lot/ of comments marked as Trash. I think this is something we found before, but I found helpful comments as far back as March. :( 21:11:02 huh 21:11:10 that's weird -- I thought these are all manually checked 21:11:12 Me too 21:11:19 .hello ryanlerch 21:11:20 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'ryan lerch' 21:11:26 * ryanlerch is here for real now 21:11:26 I did throw away a couple spammy comments earlier, but I know kparal and can't imagine doing that to his 21:11:30 was a plugin last time iirc 21:11:31 #chair ryanlerch 21:11:31 Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodder ryanlerch ryanlerch-m stickster 21:11:43 I wondered if it might be a another admin doing it, but right after I cleared it, eischmann dropped another comment and it went direct to trash as soon as the page refreshed. 21:12:16 No markup from Akismet or anything like that either 21:12:35 weird 21:12:37 don't have admin access but from my blog use that sounds like a plugin considering it spam and auto trashing 21:12:49 like spamassasin in tbird can do at times 21:13:08 but it would go to Spam in that case, Akismet handles that. 21:13:32 I wonder if it's a Jetpack extension 21:13:49 I'm looking through the plugins and that's one of the few things that would make sense 21:13:53 It doesn't happen on the CommBlog 21:13:57 yeah, wierd --i wonder if there are some logs somewhere that can tell us more 21:14:13 I don't see anything that looks suspect 21:14:19 in Jetpack, that is 21:14:47 I guess for now, be extra proactive about checking the Trash. 21:14:56 Ah, the comment blacklist is probably the best suspect here 21:15:06 https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/options-discussion.php 21:15:23 That's a huge blacklist 21:15:26 Ohhhhh. 21:15:29 That's gotta be it 21:15:41 I don't see anything else that could be at fault 21:15:57 * jflory7 digs for a sample comment to compare against 21:16:18 "I’m afraid no one can answer this for you. Fedora is well tested, Fedora QA really spend hours and hours testing the release. So vast majority of annoying issues come from compatibility with particular hardware or custom changes to the system (out-of-official repositories packages etc.). I’ve usually got laptops for 3 years, so I do about 6 upgrades without fresh installations and it”s always worked for me, but I’m trying to do 21:16:18 minimal changes to the system." 21:16:37 That was one comment that went straight to trash... looking through blacklist for any overlap 21:17:30 Maybe should revisit this later so we have time to get through tonight's queue first. 21:17:35 jflory7: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/383882/14667166/ are the keywords if you want to grep. 21:17:38 Yup 21:17:43 #topic Review Pending 21:17:47 Cool, will use that, thanks! 21:18:11 #info --- SELF 2016 --- 21:18:12 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13441&preview=true 21:18:30 for this one, there is a duplicate copy in the Community Blog. 21:18:33 I say we publish there 21:19:02 This looks *mostly* ready. The part at the end in boldface needs to be cleaned up. And I would recommend it be rewritten so it's not emphasizing "all this stuff doesn't work." The point isn't to gloss over problems or pretend we don't have bugs, but this article is about an event, not a bug list. 21:19:47 Also, all that does is encourage more people to post their random problems in comments, which isn't what we want to encourage 21:19:47 +1 for community blog 21:20:08 jflory7: I'm fine with that fwiw 21:20:17 +1 21:20:17 the commblog was my pitch originally planned publish whereever 21:20:25 #agreed publish this to CommBlog 21:20:30 Alrighty. I can update the author on this one, I've had it on my list of ones to go through on the CommBlog already 21:20:48 #action jflory7 get with author to finish up SELF article on commblog 21:20:55 #info --- Containers part 1 --- 21:21:02 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13388&preview=true 21:21:11 Oh, I started to go through this one but didn't have time to finish 21:21:16 I oppose the removal or cleaning up of the boldface 21:21:19 its valid imo 21:21:30 Hi JohnMH :) 21:21:38 linuxmodder: if it's on comm-blog, it's more appropriate there 21:21:45 its user input and valid part of the event post 21:21:47 i.e. escalating the visibility of the issues in the community 21:21:55 jflory7: Hello. 21:22:01 it's just not as appropriate for the role of the Magazine, which is why I brought it up 21:22:17 I had a few thoughts on this off-hand for the title. I think if it's a series, we can make use of ryanlerch's customization in the theme for the series, and it would be better to include the name of the type of software in the title, e.g. Container technologies in Fedora: systemd-nspawn 21:22:17 stickster, last comment about community failed to parse 21:22:20 so if it's going to comm-blog, consider my proposal null there 21:22:30 why not stickster 21:22:34 jflory7: Sounds good 21:22:55 JohnMH: I did take a quick scroll-over of the content and it seemed solid to me for the most part. Nice job on this. JohnMH++ 21:22:55 jflory7: Karma for johnmh changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:23:01 Thank you. 21:23:28 jflory7: was also thinking we might need a bit deeper explanation of "containers" too 21:23:43 mark_otaris: Ping @ above 21:24:01 ryanlerch: yeah, it's a bit short on details for a survey of technologies 21:24:38 ryanlerch: probably just need a sentence or two extra, just a bit more on the concept of "isolation" 21:24:57 I feel like 50% of the audience will get it, and 50% will be like, "hmm" 21:25:02 j/wg 37 21:25:14 * linuxmodder reads container art 21:25:48 JohnMH: btw, my comment here is *only* about the opening para on what a container is 21:25:54 I think overall this is great work 21:26:19 I can definitely explain that a bit further 21:26:21 JohnMH++ 21:26:21 ryanlerch: Karma for johnmh changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:26:31 JohnMH: It will be important to define terms as you go. If you bring up something like systemd the first time, you should mention what systemd does very briefly and link somewhere 21:26:37 we happen to have a systemd series :-) 21:26:47 solid JohnMH 21:26:55 JohnMH++ 21:26:56 stickster: Karma for johnmh changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:27:06 https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-an-init-system/ 21:27:34 this is what i tried to do for the first systemd artcile here^ 21:27:39 ryanlerch++ 21:27:39 stickster: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 4 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:29:02 JohnMH: Can you verify you can open the article for editing as "pending review" status? 21:29:15 Can't edit as "pending review" 21:29:16 I know sometimes we have to set it back as a draft for some accounts 21:29:24 Okay, we can bump it back to a draft. 21:29:29 Thanks 21:29:43 Done :) 21:30:02 Err, I think. 21:30:05 Nope, still pending review 21:30:19 Looks like you have an editing lock on it now - I can't seem to touch it. 21:30:31 jflory7: ryanlerch: So my thinking is I'd love to have something ready to go tomorrow a.m. but it's not clear what it will be 21:30:34 I went to the dashboard 21:30:35 sorry about that 21:30:46 Wordpress is a bit weird about multiple people on the same post 21:30:54 if we don't get something, it's not a catastrophe given the rest of the week was so heavy... but we def need Mon Wed Fri next week covered :-) 21:30:57 JohnMH: yeah, for sure 21:31:01 stickster: Yeah, I haven't heard back from author on the smart light one yet either. :( 21:31:33 I'm inclined to move it to the Holding Pen for now 21:31:38 :,-( 21:31:42 JohnMH: Okay, *now* it's done. 21:31:44 I like this article so much 21:31:52 Thanks 21:31:52 oh, we haven't info'd yet, hang on 21:31:53 jflory7++ 21:31:53 JohnMH: Karma for jflory7 changed to 12 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:31:56 Hopefully we'll hear back, but I'm not entirely sure. 21:32:05 JohnMH: So you're working some more on this draft, are we trying to schedule it for next week then jflory7 ? 21:32:15 jflory7, smart light? not seeing that in dash 21:32:26 I think next week seems like a good target to hit for this one. 21:32:28 * stickster <-- will be gone/unavailable next week 21:32:49 Ahhh, right, Summit 21:32:57 linuxmodder: Should be under "pending review" 21:32:58 This one needs some style tweaks although the material is definitely 85-90% there 21:33:15 I can take on editing and publication on this one. 21:33:37 jflory7: you sure? 21:33:43 Can also try for a featured image, although ryanlerch might want to whip one up for this to have a consistent image for each addition to the series for branding. 21:33:52 ryanlerch: ^ what say you? 21:34:03 I think for editing, I can do this one, but that might be it for me this upcoming week. 21:34:09 jflory7: yes, i will work on a system for this series today! 21:34:12 jflory7: understood 21:34:16 #action jflory7 edit this containers pt 1 article 21:34:16 ryanlerch++ 21:34:23 a featured image system that is 21:34:24 Do we want to shoot for Monday? 21:34:30 monday++ 21:34:30 ryanlerch: Karma for monday changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:34:30 #action ryanlerch make a reusable containers featured image we can use for the whole series 21:34:36 +1 on monday 21:34:38 hahaha 21:34:50 some random person just got a free cookie, and that's AWESOME 21:34:51 waht the heck happended to the ssh client article it seems they crapped out at 3 rd client 21:34:53 Wonder how much karma Monday has ever received, heheh 21:35:09 Alrighty. #info for Monday and then to drafts? 21:35:26 #agreed Containers pt 1 to publish Monday 2016-Jun-27 21:35:46 I guess we skip the smart light article for now, jflory7? 21:35:59 #action ryanlerch to update list about feauteued images for containers series 21:36:09 stickster: I think so... I think I'll move it to the holding pen for now until we hear back. Big bummer, spent a lot of time on that one. :( 21:36:36 jflory7: don't give up hope :-) 21:36:42 * jflory7 crosses fingers 21:36:47 #topic Drafts 21:36:52 i'd say drop ssh client one to HP for now tho 21:37:22 Hey here's a grat one 21:37:23 stickster: While you're here-- 21:37:37 oops go ahead jflory7 21:37:38 cprofitt wanted to ask a question about the HDYF article he has 21:37:45 on DAle? 21:37:45 [12:46:22] hello all... story on Dale Raby is being worked on, but I wanted to be aware of the fact that he runs two gun stores... not sure if this is a politically correct time to run that HDYF... I will start putting together another one so we have the option to hold on Dale is that is desired. 21:37:47 Yeah. 21:38:39 honestly what does that matter 21:39:04 I mean so he has a gun store or two the article is about Fedora 21:40:33 * stickster doesn't think we should start taking sides on something like this 21:40:47 it's nice that cprofitt is being sensitive 21:41:30 too much so imo 21:41:42 the article is NOT about that its about him and Feodra 21:41:57 but whatever I but heads with my viess alot nothing new 21:41:59 linuxmodder: this is cprofitt's choice, he's the writer 21:42:00 it's about how people will pontentially percieve that part of the article 21:42:31 omg peopel are so sensitive for wrong reasons today 21:42:42 linuxmodder: that's not the point here, let's stay on topic please 21:42:46 it was an idiot nto the guns that killed people 21:43:05 stickster: +1 21:43:51 The issue here is the perception of the Magazine, which *is* our responsibility 21:44:31 there's no need to wave a red flag in front of a substantial portion of our audience at a time when this debate is so sensitive 21:45:27 yeah, HDYF's are not need-to-publish now, so holding for a bit wont do any harm 21:45:47 I'm +1 for holding a bit for now 21:47:13 On the one hand, it's unfortunate that people would likely misconstrue the article in who knows how many ways. But on the other hand, that's the reality, and the Magazine is in the public relations business, like it or not. So I'm +1 to hold. 21:48:11 +1 to hold 21:48:12 #aqgreed need to hold the draby HDYF for now 21:48:30 #action stickster email cprofitt to seek another HDYF to fill in for the moment 21:48:37 we can reconsider this one at a later time 21:48:42 #agreed need to hold the draby HDYF for now 21:48:48 Sounds good to me. 21:49:25 how about something less controversial ;-) 21:49:26 Since we're short on time, the kernel article looks like one that might be ready to go ASAP 21:49:30 #info --- kernel --- 21:49:35 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13369&preview=true 21:49:43 This one just needs an image 21:49:44 labbott++ 21:49:44 jflory7: Karma for labbott changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:49:50 and a few style tweaks 21:49:55 Would it help to break it down a bit with headers? 21:49:55 Yeah. 21:49:57 labbott++ 21:49:57 ryanlerch: Karma for labbott changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:50:00 Overall, looks super solid. 21:50:14 * ryanlerch can grab this one 21:50:20 and do a featured image 21:50:33 ryanlerch++ 21:50:41 #action ryanlerch edit the kernel article and do a featured image 21:50:47 ryanlerch: Let's say Wed for this one? 21:50:50 This could make a good Wednesday one 21:50:54 Ninja'd 21:50:54 #undo 21:50:54 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 21:50:41 : ryanlerch edit the kernel article and do a featured image 21:51:13 #action ryanlerch edit the kernel article and do a featured image, publish Wed 2016-Jun-29 21:51:25 so we still need Friday... and I need to vamoose in a minute 21:51:29 luckily company is late :-D 21:51:40 Wonder if kushal's article would be ready for Friday. 21:52:14 jflory7: Hey, that's not a bad idea, I was just looking at it 21:52:31 ryanlerch: This one needs a little love at the beginning but it's short, and the content is solid and tested. 21:52:31 It's close but not quite there yet, but this would be a week and a day out from now. 21:52:35 *jinx 21:52:42 jflory7 is like my mental twin ($DEITY help him) 21:52:43 Heheh 21:53:11 #info --- Vagrant and Digital Ocean --- 21:53:13 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13353&preview=true 21:53:56 * stickster happens to know ryanlerch knows more about Vagrant than he does (which isn't hard, but still) 21:54:12 yeah, this seems super cool! 21:54:16 * ryanlerch can edit! 21:54:29 ryanlerch: I think we have some Digital Ocean art in one of the existing SVGs too 21:54:33 will talk to kushal this afternoon, and get it prepped today 21:54:41 From the Cloud + DigitalOcean one, I remember that 21:54:43 ryanlerch: EGGGGGscellent 21:54:53 ryanlerch++ 21:54:57 if stickster or jflory7 can push the publish button your tomorrow? 21:55:06 Oh! 21:55:08 ryanlerch: We were thinking Friday *next* week 21:55:14 ^ about to ask the same. 21:55:19 stickster: even better! 21:55:21 ;) 21:55:27 * stickster was OK with a dry day this Friday (har har, I'm a poet) 21:55:40 unless there's something newsie to post 21:55:40 stickster++ 21:55:49 #action ryanlerch edit and do a featured image for Vagrant/DO article, to publish 2016-Jul-01 21:56:13 ryanlerch: jflory7: The only other thing I can think of is social media... I won't be around to push out tweets/FB/G+ :-( 21:56:13 Oh, well 21:56:21 bkp will probably be out of pocket too at the Summit 21:56:31 We have another article almost complete in Pitches from Jiri on Flatpak 21:56:35 FYI 21:56:44 tell you what... if I see something undone I'll do my best to push social media 21:56:48 i have the access, its just artilces tend to push outside my tz 21:57:05 ryanlerch: yeah -- we have been aiming for 8 UTC 21:57:09 stickster: Anyone else around in-channel that has access to the accounts we could ping as well 21:57:12 *? 21:57:15 i usually push them to social when i wake up if theyhavent already 21:57:19 ryanlerch: if you set 08:00 in the Schedule on the Mag, that's UTC 21:57:28 no 21:57:41 not by default at least 21:57:45 It is on the Magazine 21:57:51 yes, it is on the Magazine 21:57:54 tested and confirmed :-) 21:58:48 anyhoo, I do have to blow out of here -- jflory7 would you be able to take over and post minutes? 21:58:54 stickster: Can do! 21:58:59 I think we're pretty much done. 21:59:01 * stickster now in trouble but it was worth it :-D 21:59:10 bye guys, see you in a couple weeks! 21:59:15 Enjoy Summit!! 21:59:21 cya stickster! 22:00:05 ryanlerch: Not sure if you had a second to peek in the pitches folder, but there's one by Jiri that looks like he's finished with it. Thinking we can move it to Drafts and aim to get some kind of confirmation from him that it's ready for final touches and we can have it ready. 22:00:30 * ryanlerch looks 22:01:06 #info --- Explore Flatpak in Fedora 24 --- 22:01:12 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13410&preview=true 22:01:22 jflory7 +1 from me! 22:01:31 this is pretty much ready to go too! 22:01:44 if we wanted to do this one today, we probably could 22:01:51 I'm thinking so too. 22:02:02 I can ping Jiri on Telegram to get a confirmation it's good to go 22:02:25 there is a flatpak generic featured image too -- but i could whip up a similar one that also has the fedora logo on it 22:02:43 Sounds solid to me! 22:02:50 whoops, sorry, i had the lock on it 22:02:53 outof it now 22:03:29 No worries! 22:03:35 I should have you an answer in 30 seconds 22:04:19 just some of the commandline items need to be marked up in pres 22:04:24
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22:04:31 * jflory7 nods
22:04:33  but other than that it seems ok to go
22:04:57  #info All-clear on content from author on Flatpak article - once reviewed + edited, is ready to go out whenever
22:05:27  ryanlerch: Do you want to take this one for tomorrow?
22:05:56  jflory, yes, i can prep and schedule
22:06:00  Solid!
22:06:16  #agreed ryanlerch will handle editing and review for publication of 2016-06-24, 8:00 UTC
22:06:27  Perfect, even will get one squeezed out for tomorrow :)
22:06:29  #topic Open Floor
22:06:32  nirik: ping!
22:06:32  jflory7: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings
22:06:46  ryanlerch: Jiri says feel free to edit as much as you want on the Flatpak one :)
22:06:50  shhhhhhhh zodbot
22:07:09  Heheh
22:08:54  Ah, see this from him in another channel. [18:00:45]  ok, heading out, back in a bit
22:09:05  We can have him ping us in #fedora-mktg whenever he's back around.
22:09:19  jflory7: ++
22:09:27  what were we going to talk to nirik about?
22:09:30  Alrighty! Will close this meeting out and send the minutes.
22:09:40  ryanlerch: Not sure, he wanted to bring something up at open floor he mentioned.
22:09:49  jflory7: okies.
22:09:58  See you back in channel! :)
22:10:00  #endmeeting