06:00:40 <pravins> #startmeeting g11n 06:00:40 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 29 06:00:40 2016 UTC. The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 06:00:40 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:00:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n' 06:00:40 <pravins> #meetingname g11n 06:00:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'g11n' 06:00:40 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call 06:00:40 <pravins> #info Fedora 25 planning 06:00:47 <mfabian> Hi! 06:00:47 <suanand> hi 06:00:52 <pravins> who else available here? :) 06:00:58 <pravins> hi mfabian suanand :) 06:01:01 <pravins> #chair suanand mfabian 06:01:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian pravins suanand 06:01:01 <epico> hi 06:01:05 <pravins> hi epico :) 06:01:07 <pravins> #chair epico 06:01:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico mfabian pravins suanand 06:01:08 <paragan> hi 06:01:30 <pravins> hi paragan :) 06:01:33 <pravins> #chair paragan 06:01:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand 06:01:51 <juhp> hi 06:02:08 <pravins> hi juhp :) 06:02:11 <pravins> #chair juhp 06:02:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: epico juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand 06:02:14 <aeng> hi 06:02:15 <pravins> ok, lets start 06:02:20 <pravins> hi aeng :) 06:02:29 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule 06:02:29 <pravins> #info 2016-07-05 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) 06:02:29 <pravins> #info 2016-07-26 Branch Fedora 25 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F26) 06:02:39 <pravins> So it like next Tuesday. 06:02:59 <pravins> so, we should do bit hurry 06:03:10 <pravins> #topic #64: Fedora 25 i18n planning 06:03:10 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/64 06:03:48 <pravins> from last meeting, lets see our planned changes 06:03:52 <pravins> System-wide 06:03:54 <pravins> 1. Unicode 9.0 06:04:11 <pravins> mfabian: if you need help i can create Change proposal for this. :) 06:04:26 <mfabian> That would be nice, I am working on the update at the moment. 06:04:43 <pravins> great. 06:04:54 <pravins> #action pravins to create change proposal for Unicode 9.0 06:05:14 <pravins> 2. CLDR sync with Glibc locales (tentative) 06:05:24 <pravins> Are we planning to propose it this time? 06:05:42 <pravins> from last year experience, i think good to propose and if require we can push it for F26. 06:05:44 <mfabian> I am not sure yet how much is possible there. 06:06:11 <pravins> its definitely tricky one, since lots of upstream dependency. 06:06:15 <mfabian> Something is surely possible but I wonder how much. Collation will probably be too difficult. 06:06:26 <juhp> when is the Change freeze? 06:06:36 <pravins> 05th July 06:07:06 <pravins> mfabian: we need to do it stepwise. May be first only localedata few field. 06:07:14 <pravins> then gradually we can move to collation. 06:07:22 <juhp> 26 July! 06:07:27 <juhp> sounds unlikely to me 06:07:51 <aeng> 26 july? 06:07:56 <juhp> also when rawhide branches 06:07:57 <aeng> wohoooo... 06:08:05 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule 06:08:32 <pravins> aha, you mean completion deadline. True 06:08:36 <juhp> 2016-07-26 Branch Fedora 25 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F26); Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) 06:08:50 <paragan> This is a quick release 06:08:59 <paragan> we follow 7-5 months release schedule 06:09:00 <pravins> +1 for system-wide its important to be there before Alpha 06:09:09 <juhp> Alpha is right after flock! 06:09:28 <paragan> that is the reason there is no mass rebuilds 06:09:40 <juhp> the schedule seems very aggressive this time 06:09:49 <pravins> i just wonder why Change completion date is so early, before Alpha freeze. Might be i have not noticed it early. 06:09:53 <juhp> paragan, yeah cos no time lol 06:10:09 <aeng> maybe to make up the delay for fed24 06:10:16 <pravins> 2 weeks in between. 06:10:18 <juhp> to squeeze in F26? 06:10:25 <epico> paragan: 7 month for big changes, and 5 month for more stable release? 06:10:38 <juhp> was the announced? 06:10:41 <juhp> that 06:10:42 <pravins> jkurik not around today :) 06:10:43 <paragan> not exactly 06:11:09 <juhp> anyway there will probably be a little slip - but should be in good time for Xmas 06:11:11 <paragan> epico, its to accommodate conference schedules, Public Holidays specially US holidays 06:11:20 <juhp> okay 06:11:54 <pravins> agree with juhp, CLDR will definitely take more time than this. 06:12:16 <epico> paragan: ah, first time to know 7-5 months release schedule. 06:13:10 <juhp> ah okay F23 was released 2015-11-03 06:13:19 <juhp> epico, seems you're kind of right 06:13:40 <epico> :) 06:13:42 <pravins> so mfabian will drop plan for CLDR this time? 06:13:48 <juhp> I heard it discussed but didn't know it was real 06:13:59 <juhp> good to start though :) 06:14:19 <mfabian> pravins: Yes, I think that is not possible until F26. Of course I’ll start working on it. 06:14:25 <pravins> yeah, definitely good to start. Glibc upstream even patch review sometime take lot time ;) 06:14:29 <pravins> perfect. 06:14:58 <pravins> #agreed dropping plan for CLDR sync with glibc for F25. 06:15:24 <pravins> #idea 3. Centralization of Hunspell (tentative) 06:16:19 <pravins> I feel 1.0 release is definitely possible, but there are many stakeholders for this project 06:16:24 <pravins> anish is not around today 06:16:28 <pravins> lets see if he can make it. 06:16:42 <pravins> #action pravins to ping Anish for Hunspell project 06:17:01 <paragan> right F23 to F24 release there is 7 months gap 06:17:14 <pravins> this is due to slip as well. 06:17:26 <pravins> We had longest release in Fedora. Fedora 21 06:17:28 <paragan> I remember somewhere Mattdm saying to have 8-4 months release cycles 06:17:31 <pravins> it took almost year 06:17:52 <pravins> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule 06:18:13 <paragan> If I look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/Schedule, it looks like its 5 months release 06:18:56 <pravins> #info Fedora 24 took 7month to release, F25 release plan is 5month as of now. 06:19:11 <pravins> moving to next category 06:19:22 <pravins> #idea 4. Multilingual ibus typing booster 06:19:26 <pravins> again mfabian here :) 06:19:44 <pravins> mfabian: planning to create change page for this? 06:19:59 <fujiwarat> hi 06:20:04 <pravins> hi fujiwarat :) 06:20:07 <pravins> #chair aeng fujiwarat 06:20:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: aeng epico fujiwarat juhp mfabian paragan pravins suanand 06:20:20 <pravins> #idea 5. String breakage monitoring script 06:20:26 <mfabian> pravins: Is a change page necessesary/useful if the change does not affect anything else but ibus-typing-booster? 06:20:55 <mfabian> pravins: Maybe to advertise the change ... 06:20:56 <pravins> from my perspective i am looking for this change more from creating awareness to our users. 06:20:59 <pravins> right 06:21:11 <pravins> since, it came to late Fedora 24 release, we not able to give much attention 06:21:32 <pravins> same time, i feel this is the change people might be looking from long time. 06:21:41 <mfabian> And I will make the UI better to set this up, but maybe not in time for the F26 feature freeze. 06:21:42 <pravins> so just for creating awareness and more testing. 06:22:34 <pravins> mfabian: we can create change page, saying change it 100% complete. :) 06:22:40 <pravins> dunno what other feels.. 06:23:07 <mfabian> You can also write 50% as the feature works but the UI for the setup is not nice yet. 06:23:35 <juhp> do you plan to do the UI for F25? 06:24:08 <mfabian> Probably, because it is probably enough if it is done until the beta phase of f25. 06:25:01 <pravins> ye 06:25:02 <pravins> yes 06:25:29 <pravins> If you are planning to improvements in F25, good to highlight it with change. Its self-contained so should be not much issue 06:26:26 <mfabian> pravins: Yes, then a change proposal might be nice to get some more attention from users. 06:26:42 <pravins> great, i can help with edit in proposal :) 06:26:53 <pravins> will you create one then? should i add action item? 06:27:46 <mfabian> pravins: OK, I’ll create one. 06:27:49 <pravins> #action mfabian will create change proposal for Multilingual Ibus typing booster (self-contained) 06:27:54 <pravins> great, thanks :) 06:28:23 <pravins> suanand: about string breakage monitoring script 06:28:41 <pravins> for update, we (me and suanand ) had quick meeting with aeng. 06:28:52 <suanand> pravins, planning to start work next week.. 06:29:03 <pravins> suanand: i remember you mentioned string breakage is not very good title to this. 06:29:24 <suanand> yes.. how about "transdiff" ? 06:29:27 <pravins> i have to propose feature (JIRa) in Zanata sync 06:30:21 <suanand> transdiff -- should provide diff UI for translations. diff between: install po vs upstream po? 06:31:26 <pravins> transdiff yeah, its more functional name 06:31:35 <suanand> pravins, should development of transdiff be in parallel with proposed feature for Zanata Sync? 06:31:39 <pravins> but year, if there are no other suggestions, we can go with it :) 06:31:54 <aeng> suanand, it should be 06:32:06 <suanand> aeng, +1 06:32:14 <pravins> +1 06:32:23 <aeng> we can discuss more when we actually starts implementing 06:32:37 <pravins> aeng: right, i think change proposal can help more here 06:32:37 * suanand nod 06:32:41 <aeng> there's several way to sort this out even without implementation in Zanata 06:32:45 <pravins> suanand: will you create change proposal? 06:33:07 <suanand> aha, sure! 06:33:17 * pravins to be frank each time i discuss this, i get confuse and need to backtrack earlier discussions ;) 06:33:44 <pravins> #action suanand will create change proposal for transdiff. 06:34:12 <pravins> I have not got time to do review on atomic workstation 06:34:24 <pravins> so looks not realistic with deadline time. 06:35:21 <pravins> #topic Fedora 25 planning trans/zanata 06:35:21 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/24 06:35:55 <pravins> from translation perspective. 06:36:23 <pravins> Noriko suggested couple of ideas 06:36:37 <pravins> #idea 1. Glossary Project 06:36:58 <pravins> #idea 2. Bug triage and fixes from F24 trans test day. 06:37:14 <pravins> we had some discussion already on mailing list, hope she can create change proposal for same. 06:39:03 <pravins> #idea 3. Introductory course for starting localization with Fedora. 06:40:05 <pravins> aeng: same time, when we are planning deployment of Zanata with Fedmsg 06:40:21 <aeng> same time? 06:40:31 <pravins> oops, means discussion with other topics :) 06:41:25 <pravins> i think, you might be having some discussions already with hubs team. 06:41:33 <aeng> yes 06:42:29 <pravins> would be nice to see updates on ticket :) 06:43:24 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/19 06:43:42 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/22 06:45:20 <aeng> i will try 06:45:52 <aeng> just had the meeting this morning.. alot to triage and need to discuss with team. i will update the tickets once i got more information 06:46:12 <aeng> ah... but that 2 tickets... 06:46:20 <aeng> yes, i will update it.. its alright done 06:47:54 <pravins> great, thanks aeng :) 06:48:22 <pravins> there is already thread on trans list regarding change planning for F25. So we can stop here today 06:48:26 <pravins> #topic Open Floor 06:48:39 <pravins> Did we missed anything urgent or any other topic to discuss? 06:49:30 <fujiwarat> I have the plan to integrate Emoji typing but not sure if it's on time for f25. 06:49:53 <pravins> Emoji tying will be great. 06:50:27 <pravins> As of now, may be just create change proposal. It can give more ideas at least 06:50:44 <pravins> i think emoji will be self contained change. 06:50:50 <pravins> does it depend on any other packages? 06:51:13 <pravins> As far as i know, we are more relaxed for self contained change in Fedora. 06:51:17 <fujiwarat> Recently I'm thinking to get the data from nodejs-emojione 06:51:25 <fujiwarat> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1350700 06:51:37 <pravins> So even, if its getting complete by Beta, it should be fine. If i am correct, we can ask to jkurik again. 06:53:05 <fujiwarat> pravins: ok 06:53:10 <pravins> fujiwarat: i will recommend to create change proposal at least for now. 06:53:14 <pravins> and lets see how it goes. 06:53:24 <pravins> if its not complete by Beta, we can postpone to F26 06:53:39 <fujiwarat> sure 06:53:45 <aeng> gtg now guys. Thanks for meeting 06:54:03 <pravins> thanks fujiwarat, should i add action item for you? 06:54:26 <fujiwarat> pravins: yes, please. 06:54:30 <pravins> #idea Emoji typing in Fedora. 06:54:41 <pravins> #action fujiwarat will create change proposal for emoji typing. 06:54:46 <pravins> thanks fujiwarat :) 06:54:54 <pravins> aeng: we are done. :) 06:54:58 <pravins> thanks all for meeting 06:55:02 <pravins> #endmeeting