21:00:00 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 7 21:00:00 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:00 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:02 <stickster> #meetingname magazine 21:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:03 <stickster> #topic Roll call 21:00:04 <stickster> .hello pfrields 21:00:05 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 21:00:32 <jflory7> .hello jflory7 21:00:33 <zodbot> jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' <me@justinwflory.com> 21:00:42 <jflory7> o/ 21:01:36 <stickster> hiya Justin... thanks for helping with the meeting & publishing while I was at/getting unburied from Summit 21:02:22 <jflory7> Gladly :) 21:02:47 * stickster waits to see if ryanlerch or anyone else shows 21:04:05 <stickster> jflory7: let's just go ahead for now, and he + others can catch up as needed 21:04:14 * jflory7 nods 21:04:14 * stickster has hard stop at 6pm again :-\ 21:04:15 <jflory7> Sounds good to me. 21:04:22 <stickster> #topic Recap of last week 21:05:11 <stickster> #info jetpack shows a pretty decent week, over 55K views with trailoff from the release 21:06:03 <stickster> #info Month of June was *almost* to our record high, but didn't quite make it... 259K+ vs 273K+ views 21:06:15 <jflory7> Close. :) 21:06:15 <stickster> but very respectable! 21:06:28 <jflory7> Considering there was a 20 day difference in release dates, though 21:06:29 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts 21:06:46 <jflory7> I think that technically means we continued the upward trend in views / traffic? 21:07:18 <stickster> it's hard to tell with the anomaly of a release, but it looks no worse than level 21:07:25 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending 21:08:11 <jflory7> Hmm, I think one of those is actually a draft 21:08:22 <jflory7> The *.deb => *.rpm one 21:08:44 * jflory7 changes it really fast 21:09:05 <stickster> #info --- Vagrant/DO --- 21:09:09 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13353&preview=true 21:09:31 <jflory7> ryanlerch and kushal were discussing it last night / this morning in #fedora-apps and I caught some of the discussion 21:09:41 <stickster> jflory7: what was the gist? 21:10:17 <jflory7> In terms of introducing Vagrant more, the opening paragraph to the article has links to past articles we've ran and other information to learn more. We thought it would be good to push out, possible for tomorrow. 21:10:42 <stickster> I like the idea of getting something bite-sized out while it's hot 21:10:48 <stickster> +1 on pushing this 21:10:58 <jflory7> +1 to pushing. 21:10:58 <stickster> one quibble... "How to use this plugin?" isn't a great heading 21:11:17 <jflory7> "Using the Vagrant DigitalOcean plugin"? 21:11:21 <stickster> I'd like to do a once-over for the English 21:11:32 <jflory7> I can tackle that if you'd like. 21:11:37 <stickster> "How to use this plugin" without the question mark is fine 21:11:56 <jflory7> Alrighty, sounds good. 21:12:08 * stickster feels like it would be gerat to get together some "let's edit live" cross-training to share some tips with the group 21:12:22 <stickster> jflory7: you're a dynamo 21:12:23 <stickster> jflory7++ 21:12:23 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for jflory7 changed to 15 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:12:38 <stickster> #action jflory7 edit this Vagrant/DO article and push for Fri 2016-Jul-08 21:12:53 <stickster> jflory7: If no one's done it in the a.m., I'll do the socials 21:13:02 <stickster> at least FB/Tw/G+ 21:13:02 <jflory7> stickster: Sounds like a plan. 21:13:26 <stickster> #topic Drafts 21:13:40 <stickster> #info --- .deb to .rpm --- 21:14:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13572&preview=true 21:14:15 <jflory7> Last week, we agreed we wanted a little more of the "why" and explanation for that one. 21:14:50 <stickster> I have to say, I'm not a huge fan of alien -- it's kind of a hack and not Fedora preferred... but I don't think that's necessarily the bar we should set for things users do 21:15:09 * jflory7 nods 21:15:12 <stickster> It's more like a glorified tarball than a real package 21:15:29 <stickster> Maybe if we could point that out, it would be more acceptable 21:15:31 <jflory7> I think we were going to contact the author, but may have lost that action item from last week. 21:16:19 <stickster> "do this only if you're pressed for time or intend to remove the package afterward or..." 21:16:45 <stickster> jflory7: Should I take that action then? 21:16:58 <jflory7> Sure, that would be great! 21:17:11 <stickster> #action stickster Contact author and ask for some explanation at top, otherwise could probably just write it 21:18:10 <stickster> .fasinfo gmh 21:18:11 <zodbot> stickster: User: gmh, Name: None, email: georg@hasibether.at, Creation: 2014-01-30, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 21:18:14 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_fpca cla_done 21:18:46 <stickster> #info --- Using ssh to remote unlock Luks-LVM at boot --- 21:18:50 <stickster> (same author) 21:19:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13584&preview=1&_ppp=18d34f9372 21:19:42 * jflory7 clicks 21:20:27 <stickster> This one also... encryption is a sensitive subject so I would want to have this checked by someone with a security background. COPRs aren't official, and this article recommends using that as a source for an encryption utility 21:20:55 <jflory7> +1 for having a security-minded person take a read of this one too 21:20:56 <stickster> ¬_¬ 21:21:09 <stickster> Maybe puiterwijk has an opinion on this one 21:21:23 <jflory7> The introduction seems to set up the article pretty well, but I have no knowledge on the actual technical part of the article. 21:22:30 <stickster> It looks fairly OK, I'm just a little iffy on publicizing non-official encryption stuff like this without a second opinion 21:23:08 <jflory7> Agreed. 21:23:10 <stickster> "use this unofficial repo to get something that allows remoting into the system to unlock your encrypted stuff" yeesh. 21:23:14 * puiterwijk reads back 21:23:40 <stickster> I mean, it's perhaps a valid use case... maybe? 21:24:03 <puiterwijk> I am personally not in favor of suggesting COPR via magazine at all. It is an unsupported application from the infra team perspective. 21:24:16 <puiterwijk> And if it's for crypto stuff, that depends o nwhat exactly 21:24:23 * puiterwijk looks 21:25:43 <puiterwijk> So, this is preboot environment stuff, I can't see to what extent this package is actually doing crypto. 21:26:15 <jflory7> (Also, Vagrant/DO article reviewed and scheduled for tomorrow) 21:26:20 <stickster> puiterwijk: Occasionally I imagine we will point people to COPR to try new or interesting things. 21:26:57 <puiterwijk> stickster: well, until the COPR folks proceed with moving it forward, I am going to warn everyone every time they bring it up. What you do with my warning is up to you. 21:26:57 <stickster> puiterwijk: But for something like remoting into the system to unlock the LUKS encryption pre-boot, I just don't know 21:27:04 <stickster> puiterwijk: fair enough :-) 21:27:31 <puiterwijk> stickster: well, this package doesn't do real crypto, but as said it's preboot stuff that ties directly into dracut. So I'm.. not sure either 21:28:24 <stickster> puiterwijk: Oh, I see. It basically just runs dropbear SSH pre-boot. 21:28:33 <puiterwijk> My personal opinion is to add a very clear warning that it is not acked by Fedora (please replace "acked" with the proper marketing term) 21:29:31 <puiterwijk> I just get shivers from this entire idea, and even more if it comes from COPR 21:29:38 <stickster> puiterwijk: kind of same here 21:29:58 <stickster> puiterwijk: Maybe this would be better pitched as a "Here's something cool I tried on my system" article as opposed to "HOWTO do this" 21:30:23 <puiterwijk> Yes.. But then you'd need to make very sure it's not... acked. (again, please help me get the marketing term) 21:30:36 <stickster> #action stickster include this article in gmh outreach to see if we can re-focus it, and explicitly point out it's not recommended by Fedora 21:30:57 <puiterwijk> This does remind me that an article about custodia might be interesting 21:31:10 <stickster> puiterwijk: pitch it! 21:31:14 <stickster> :-) 21:31:24 <stickster> #info --- F24 release Sao Paulo --- 21:31:27 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13666&preview=true 21:31:34 <stickster> So this seems like a better fit for communityblog. 21:31:43 * jflory7 agrees 21:31:50 <jflory7> There's already a small log of event reports there already 21:31:59 <jflory7> Would be nice if I could knock this one out with the rest 21:32:03 <jflory7> +1 for moving 21:32:20 <jflory7> I can notify the author about the move. 21:32:28 <stickster> jflory7: awesome, I'm with you 21:32:45 <stickster> #action jflory7 move F24 Sao Paulo release party article to commblog and inform author 21:32:56 <jflory7> Beat me by a couple of seconds :) 21:33:00 <stickster> hee hee 21:33:08 <stickster> #info --- Seafile server on Security Lab --- 21:33:09 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=true 21:33:11 <jflory7> .fas danielamorais 21:33:11 <zodbot> jflory7: danielamorais 'Daniela Marques de Morais' <me.danielamorais@gmail.com> 21:33:18 <puiterwijk> stickster: you good now? OR want more reply from me? 21:33:21 * jflory7 clicks 21:33:36 <stickster> puiterwijk: more than good, and hope we didn't keep you up 21:33:44 <puiterwijk> Okay, great. No worries at all 21:33:50 * stickster knows patrickbot never sleeps, but he does need to recharge sometimes 21:34:13 <puiterwijk> Oh, no worries about that either. I'm still doing audits, so a quick interruption sometimes is useful :) 21:34:29 <stickster> So this Seafile article is super intriguing... 21:34:58 <stickster> and it looks quite complete although I haven't tested the procedure 21:35:09 <jflory7> Same thoughts here 21:35:48 <stickster> There are a couple selinux related things that might need tweaks 21:37:15 <jflory7> Seems like some general formatting / editing work to be done as well. 21:37:24 <stickster> And I see a few comments to the effect of "I'm not sure why this didn't work but <...> fixed it," which seems like a bit of a red flag 21:37:52 <stickster> we need to be careful not to lower our bar to the point where we're basically pushing random stuff at our audience 21:38:25 <stickster> I have a feeling this one could be corrected with a bit of know-how, but I'm not sure when I'll have time 21:38:59 <jflory7> I'm not sure I have the technical chops for this one either 21:39:21 <jflory7> As far as the Seafile and SELinux components go 21:39:35 <stickster> jflory7: I feel like I could do it with a few hours on a lazy weekend, but I don't have any of those this month :-( 21:40:28 * stickster wonders if we could get help from JohnMH, or linuxmodder, or someone who could do a basic runthrough, correct/amend some of the "why this fixes things" bits, and then we could do our editing run 21:40:55 <jflory7> That would be great if someone knew a little bit about it and could add to it. 21:41:04 <jflory7> Or maybe jhogarth too, if he's familiar with it 21:41:08 <stickster> for sure 21:41:09 <linuxmodder> stickster, sorry was in another cahnnel what now? 21:41:17 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder 21:41:17 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org> 21:41:35 <stickster> linuxmodder: We're talking about this draft, on running a Seafile server with nginx 21:42:12 <stickster> It looks mostly OK, but there are some boggy parts about adjusting config of SELinux and a couple other things where the author is kind of sketchy on whether he knew what he was doing 21:42:56 <linuxmodder> stickster, link pls I can surely take a look 21:43:06 <stickster> linuxmodder: So if someone was able to take an hour to go through the procedure, and correct the article for technical accuracy (doing the right thing, and noting why it's needed in the few places the author wasn't clear)... then we could do normal editing after that 21:43:07 <linuxmodder> at the SElinux at least 21:43:17 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=true 21:43:34 <stickster> or https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=1&_ppp=4c1f622009 21:43:53 <linuxmodder> #action linuxmodder to look over https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=13603&preview=1&_ppp=4c1f622009 for technical accuracy and report back to the team 21:44:00 <stickster> brilliant, thanks linuxmodder 21:44:02 <stickster> linuxmodder++ 21:44:02 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for linuxmodder changed to 2 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:44:07 <stickster> COOKIES FOR EVERYONE 21:44:42 <stickster> #info --- OpenShift Origin on Fedora --- 21:44:52 <stickster> #info --- Developer mode for Atomic Host --- 21:45:18 <stickster> #action stickster bug ryanlerch about these two articles, no reason they can't be done post-release, just need content 21:45:41 <jflory7> OpenShift one would be pretty cool :) 21:46:21 <stickster> agreed 21:46:32 <stickster> We're still skipping this HDYF for now 21:46:35 <stickster> So... 21:46:46 <linuxmodder> if you need me for anything else ping me I'm kinda in 3 other things at once atm 21:47:04 <jflory7> Seems like we're pretty sparse for next week 21:47:16 <stickster> np, done for now linuxmodder -- can you just look at that article and then ping us when you're done scratching on it? Was hoping to publish that maybe Tuesday if possible 21:47:27 <stickster> yeah, we are definitely light 21:47:52 <stickster> If I can get Ryan to work on the OpenShift or the Atomic Host one for Wed or Thu, we'll be not too badly off 21:48:11 <stickster> jflory7: Is JohnMH working on a second container series entry? 21:48:38 <jflory7> stickster: Ahh - I'm not sure, but it would be worth a follow-up. I feel like I recall him saying he had a local copy started at some point. 21:48:48 <linuxmodder> Definately can put cycles to it before the weekend for a tuesday publish 21:48:53 <jflory7> Can ping him now in -mktg 21:49:30 <jflory7> linuxmodder++ That would be awesome. 21:49:30 <zodbot> jflory7: Karma for linuxmodder changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:52:26 <stickster> jflory7: that's cool, we can pursue offline 21:52:33 * jflory7 nods 21:52:36 <stickster> jflory7: can we do AOB now? 21:52:47 <jflory7> AOB? 21:52:53 <stickster> all other biz 21:53:01 <jflory7> Ah, yeah, I see no reason why not :) 21:53:47 <stickster> #topic All other business (AOB, open floor) 21:54:01 <stickster> #info --- Some future work endeavors --- 21:54:22 <stickster> I was fortunate to grab some time with one of the managing editors of opensource.com, which has a big readership 21:54:38 <jflory7> Ohh? 21:54:46 <stickster> she gave me some pointers on ways we might be able to determine *in advance* some good articles to line up 21:55:04 <linuxmodder> opensource.com is another place I help edit for it does indedd 21:55:21 <stickster> basically, based on search results -- where people are searching for how to do certain things with Fedora, if we write articles directly toward that content it's bigtime Googlejuice 21:55:23 <linuxmodder> the trending metric they use? 21:56:09 <jflory7> I see... that makes sense. 21:56:31 <stickster> there is probably some tool out there for doing this other than using the autocomplete to see what pops up :-) 21:56:54 * jflory7 thought he remembered seeing a place that Google provided for this... 21:57:06 <linuxmodder> its api based 21:57:12 <linuxmodder> twitter has one too 21:57:39 <jflory7> Looks like this might be what I was thinking of 21:57:40 <linuxmodder> jflory7, seem to remember it being on developer.{twitter,opensource}.com 21:57:41 <jflory7> #link https://www.google.com/trends/ 21:57:46 <stickster> very well might be... in any case, it would be a good idea for us to start lining those things up in the "pitch" pile, and then assign them as people come by asking "how can I help?" 21:57:50 <stickster> "well, you can write this article!" 21:59:02 * jflory7 nods 21:59:08 <jflory7> Low-hanging fruit. 21:59:26 <stickster> That was all I wanted to mention :-) 21:59:46 <jflory7> stickster++ 22:00:08 <jflory7> Oh, I have one thing I can mention super fast 22:00:11 <stickster> go 22:00:38 <stickster> #agreed team to figure out search mechanism/tool and research some good articles for lining up as pitches 22:00:39 <jflory7> Found out where the spelling check feature was in Jetpack, and I turned that on. It has some useful tips for writing style and a few other things, and can be a helpful guide for someone writing an article. 22:00:47 <stickster> jflory7: That's awesome! 22:00:53 <jflory7> It's in the WYSIWYG editor now, with the spellcheck icon 22:00:55 * stickster didn't know that existed but is happy to hear about it 22:01:11 <jflory7> I have it on the Community Blog, and could never figure out how to get it on the Magazine. Finally found it. :) 22:01:44 <jflory7> Anyways, that's all from me. 22:02:55 <stickster> coolio jflory7 22:03:03 <stickster> So... Thanks for coming everyone! 22:03:06 <stickster> #endmeeting