14:00:29 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jul 25 14:00:29 2016 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'docs_project_meeting_-_agenda:_https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/docs_project_meetings' 14:00:29 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:00:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:00:29 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call 14:00:37 * Capesteve waves 14:01:32 * grundblom is here 14:01:59 <bexelbie> .fas bex 14:02:00 <zodbot> bexelbie: ybexwqmxnx 'ybexwqmxnx yhdgb' <ybexwqmxnx@nowmymail.com> - lonelyibex 'fungo' <lonelyibex@gmail.com> - moko 'moko lee' <ibex@msn.cn> - sfarr01 'Steven Farr' <sfarr@bex.net> - tqtwr 'gsafd' <mesabexudi@top1mail.ru> - bexhet '' <bexhet@hotmail.it> - mcreps 'Merl Creps Jr' <merljr@bex.net> - tbex 'Tony Beckham' <t2yb5m@gmail.com> - efjiwmos 'takagiatuko' <bexroll@gmail.com> - makubex 'Bruno Lopes de Mello' (2 more messages) 14:02:15 <pkovar> /me is here 14:02:40 <bexelbie> .hello bex 14:02:41 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bex@pobox.com> 14:02:46 <bexelbie> wrong cmd 14:03:24 <shaunm> hello 14:04:10 <randomuser> morning, shaunm 14:04:13 <pkovar> shaunm: hi there 14:04:46 <randomuser> #topic Follow Up on Action Items 14:04:58 <randomuser> #action randomuser to deal with FreeIPA guides in some way 14:05:04 <randomuser> carrying over, did not do 14:05:14 <randomuser> zoglesby, defensive coding guide? 14:05:42 <pkovar> are you planning on unpublishing freeipa docs, randomuser? 14:06:50 <randomuser> oops 14:07:16 <randomuser> pkovar, i'll try, but a robots.txt directing crawlers to ignore it is more immediately feasible 14:07:54 <randomuser> afaik you have to run remove_book with sources where all the variables are the same as when the book was published, and we don't always have a coinciding git checkout 14:08:36 <randomuser> we'll catch up with defensive coding later on 14:08:47 <randomuser> #topic New Writers 14:08:47 <pkovar> randomuser: that's correct. i don't think the freeipa docs got branched after releases 14:09:52 <pkovar> randomuser: not for fedora, anyway https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/freeipa-guide.git/ 14:10:24 <randomuser> yeah, pbokoc looked at it somewhat recently 14:11:09 <randomuser> it will most likely be a more.. manual effort to actually unpublish them 14:11:18 <pbokoc> yeah, they're not branched. But you could work around that by finding the web.git commit that published them, and finding the most recent commit in the guide's repo from before the web.git commit 14:11:45 <pbokoc> except that doesn't work because the F17 guide was originally published for F16, and then somehow the version number was bumped in web.git, so it's a complete mess 14:13:24 <randomuser> the version number was bumped without an accompanying commit 14:13:52 <pkovar> manual bump then 14:13:53 <randomuser> so you have to find the right combination of version declarations in the book sources and publican.cfg 14:13:58 <randomuser> right 14:14:14 <randomuser> #undo 14:14:14 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x43358850> 14:14:35 <randomuser> do you want to take a try at it, pkovar ? 14:14:45 <pkovar> what matters i think that remove_book uses the right path to the guide, and that's it 14:15:13 <pkovar> randomuser: i could try next week 14:15:18 * randomuser nods 14:15:25 <randomuser> I'll let you know if I don't get it done 14:15:31 <pkovar> randomuser: ty 14:15:36 <randomuser> #topic New Writers 14:16:17 <randomuser> here we like to hear from those new to docs, people working with such new folks, and related subjects 14:17:42 <randomuser> nothing? 14:17:49 <randomuser> okay 14:17:58 <randomuser> #topic Publishing 14:18:20 <randomuser> I have no news here; anyone work on publishing stuff this week? 14:18:32 <grundblom> I am working on a ticket for the web interface. 14:18:50 <grundblom> it will need to be published to the web when I am finished, I am thinking two or three days? 14:18:54 <bexelbie> I hope to do some experimentation with the new stuff prior to Flock but nothing directly to report 14:19:04 <shaunm> I've been working on it 14:19:18 <shaunm> working on translation stuff at the moment 14:20:40 <randomuser> #info steady progress upstream, https://github.com/projectmallard/pintail/commits/master 14:20:47 <randomuser> shaunm++ 14:20:47 <zodbot> randomuser: Karma for shaunm changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 14:21:37 <pkovar> looks great 14:21:42 <shaunm> search works pretty well 14:21:50 <randomuser> grundblom, you're working on a ticket for the pintail web interface? 14:22:07 <shaunm> but I need to figure out the best strategy for actually hosting it 14:22:16 <grundblom> randomuser, no I am working on a ticket about type-os and the firefox version number being wrong 14:22:24 <randomuser> ah 14:22:30 <grundblom> just a sec #dayjob just got interesting... 14:22:50 <randomuser> shaunm, hosting an elasticsearch instance? 14:23:02 <shaunm> randomuser: yes 14:23:07 <randomuser> what's the roadblock? 14:23:46 <shaunm> is it something we can securely host on fedora infra? 14:23:58 <shaunm> there are paid elasticsearch hosts as well 14:24:48 <randomuser> yeah, I think it's possible to get an appropriately isolated elasticsearch instance in the fedora infra environment 14:24:58 <shaunm> I've tried standing on a secure public instance, but securing elasticsearch kind of hurts my brain 14:25:08 <shaunm> s/on/up/ 14:25:55 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder 14:25:56 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org> 14:25:59 <randomuser> it's on my list to spend some time on for $dayjob too; i can look into setting it up for Fedora 14:26:42 <randomuser> hey linuxmodder 14:26:52 <linuxmodder> randomuser, sorry I've missed mtgs lately 14:26:56 <randomuser> np 14:27:10 <linuxmodder> $dayjob (the tutoring bit been busy as crap 14:27:36 <randomuser> #action randomuser to work on secure dev environment elasticsearch for shaunm to play with 14:27:52 <linuxmodder> randomuser, about defensive coding guide you mean just a review for version bump right? 14:28:25 <linuxmodder> randomuser, shaunm look at my modified centos secure-install script 14:28:29 <randomuser> linuxmodder, zoglesby was dealing with it, so I didn't get the full story 14:29:22 <linuxmodder> we are both security team guys that seems to be the thing I remember especially as its part of the onboarding bits for security_team_appre3nticeship 14:30:04 <randomuser> maybe in a moment, when the topic of guides comes up... 14:30:26 <linuxmodder> shaunm, http://65.19.183.167/ameridea/secure-configuration.cfg 14:30:34 <randomuser> what's the secure-install script? have you been working on a playbook for elasticsearch? 14:31:16 <linuxmodder> not for elasticsearch but that is a DISA blessed install script that you can then containerize or chroot in 14:31:26 <randomuser> ahh everything on that level we'd inherit from the existing fedora infra vm templates 14:31:29 <linuxmodder> its what my install uses even 14:32:03 <linuxmodder> noted I may PR the virthost playbooks then 14:32:20 <shaunm> so, best I can tell, we need a standard add-on module for elasticsearch called shield 14:32:58 <shaunm> and, I think, that will allow us to require credentials when updating indexes, but allow open access for getting search results 14:33:07 <linuxmodder> shaunm, its in the repos already? sorry novice on es myself 14:33:25 <shaunm> linuxmodder: does not seem to be 14:33:44 <shaunm> linuxmodder: all of elasticsearch's docs have you installing stuff with kibana or something, not rpms 14:34:11 <shaunm> because we needed yet another package system in the mix 14:34:12 <randomuser> shaunm, i'm not read up; do you feel allowing internal communication only to elasticsearch is not feasible or desired? 14:34:15 <linuxmodder> shaunm, will look into that some this week see if I can be more help 14:34:57 <shaunm> randomuser: the way the search works is that the browser talks directly to elasticsearch, because es's api is just json over http. that means we don't need any cgi. it's all client-side. 14:35:04 <randomuser> aaaahh 14:35:08 <randomuser> okay, i get it 14:35:55 <shaunm> you have to enable CORS in elasticsearch for that to work. that's easy, though it seems to just allow all origins, and we should see if we can restrict the origin just to the docs site 14:36:17 <randomuser> #info an elasticsearch deployment needs auth capability, 'shield' plugin most likely solution 14:37:50 <randomuser> yeah, i definitely need to do some reading 14:39:54 <randomuser> how about the translations bit, shaunm ? how is that going? 14:40:48 <randomuser> like, $source->docbook->itstool->zanata? 14:41:12 <linuxmodder> randomuser, same here I suck at es 14:42:02 <shaunm> randomuser: it's what I'm working on right now. nothing buildable yet. 14:42:16 <randomuser> ok, cool 14:42:51 <randomuser> let's move this along, thanks for the hacking, shaunm 14:43:00 <randomuser> #topic Guide Status 14:43:15 <randomuser> okay, guide talk 14:43:39 <randomuser> linuxmodder, you'll want to check in with zoglesby about the defensive coding guide 14:44:09 <linuxmodder> if nothing else I'll bug him on thursday mtg 14:44:12 <randomuser> afaik Sparks asked for it to be published so zoglesby was going to check over the meta bits 14:44:20 <linuxmodder> security-team mtg 14:44:28 <randomuser> sure 14:44:33 <zoglesby> yes, and I will do it 14:45:03 <randomuser> what other guide stuff is happening this week? 14:45:12 <zoglesby> but I am on vacation this week, and I have already talk to Sparks and told him such 14:46:17 <randomuser> you vacation, zoglesby. 14:46:53 <zoglesby> to late, already here. reading back log. 14:47:07 <randomuser> heh 14:48:26 <randomuser> hearing nothing about past or future guide work, so 14:48:54 <randomuser> #info F25 Change Proposals have started, relnotes prep can begin 14:48:57 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 14:49:07 <randomuser> #link http://tinyurl.com/lbrq8 14:49:15 <randomuser> there's bugs, y'all 14:49:47 <grundblom> got to go, sorry everyone, will try to make the next one 14:50:25 <randomuser> we still need to clean that up and move the actionable ones to pajure 14:50:32 <randomuser> PAGURE 14:51:55 <randomuser> hm, i suspect there may be defensive coding guide bugs that have been fixed 14:52:08 <randomuser> #topic Open floor discussion 14:52:21 <randomuser> any items for open floor today? 14:52:23 <zoglesby> I have two things since I am here 14:52:27 <randomuser> yay! 14:52:39 <zoglesby> One, easy'ish ticket for someone to work on 14:52:40 <zoglesby> https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issue/23 14:53:25 <zoglesby> we need to make pintails confs for each of our current docs so that people can do local builds of them while they are editing to check how things look in pintail, etc 14:53:47 <randomuser> makes sense 14:53:51 <zoglesby> I think that it will even get you some badge love for some many commits to pagure repos 14:53:54 <bexelbie> zoglesby, I'll contribute tot hat this week (after tuesday) as I prep for Flock - as is appropriate 14:54:02 <bexelbie> zoglesby, I believe htat badge is broke atm 14:54:04 <bexelbie> broken 14:54:05 <zoglesby> randomuser: it should make sense you made the issue 14:54:27 <randomuser> i have a deft understanding of my ideas 14:54:35 <randomuser> better than most, even 14:55:42 <randomuser> you said two things, zoglesby ? 14:56:22 <zoglesby> #2 14:56:31 <zoglesby> shaunm: I need help working out how to link to docbook sources we include in a config 14:56:50 <zoglesby> that is really my only hold up on most of what I want to try and get done in the short term 14:57:29 <zoglesby> if it is a code change and you are not free (or it is not super easy), can you point me in the right direction so that I can take a look at it 14:58:10 <zoglesby> also, if this is not clear, what I am asking about is generating links on the index to docs on the side without manually entering each one in the index source 14:58:13 <shaunm> zoglesby: what format are you linking from? 14:58:35 <shaunm> oh, like a standard sidebar across all pages? 14:58:45 <zoglesby> I think our plan is to use ducktype for all of the index page 14:58:57 <randomuser> hm, that seems like an important feature 14:58:58 <zoglesby> shaunm: just an index page for now 15:00:09 <randomuser> our time is up here, see you in #fedora-docs 15:00:13 <randomuser> #endmeeting