15:00:25 #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00:25 Meeting started Mon Aug 8 15:00:25 2016 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:25 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_qa_meeting' 15:00:30 #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00:30 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00:34 #topic Roll call 15:00:39 * coremodule is here 15:00:41 * sumantro is here 15:00:42 ahoyhoy folks, who's around for qa funtimes? 15:01:20 * cmurf is on pins and needles 15:01:29 * brunowolff is here 15:01:41 cmurf: that doesn't sound like a very good prescription 15:01:46 adamw: me 15:02:03 * potty is here 15:04:07 * garretraziel is almost here 15:05:21 garretraziel: here or not here, there is no almost 15:05:22 ;) 15:05:29 * kmurarka is here 15:05:37 alright, thanks for coming folks, let's see what we have... 15:05:44 * h4xr is here 15:05:45 * yosef7 is here 15:05:47 #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:06:07 * satellit listening 15:06:54 hmm, so... 15:07:01 "coremodule to consult with adamw about the F24 HoF post when he returns" 15:07:08 coremodule: well, here i am =) 15:07:29 * kparal is here 15:07:37 what needed consulting about? 15:07:39 morning kparal 15:08:25 Sometime back, there was mention of a F24 HoF post, but upon looking, it could not be located. 15:08:34 Is there an ETA on this? 15:08:59 yeah, 'this week some time' 15:09:12 i only finished the f23 posts relatively recently, i started on the f24 alpha post on friday 15:09:35 unless you wanted to do it? :) 15:10:52 #action adamw to start Fedora 24 'Heroes of Fedora' posts 15:10:53 adamw, That works for me. Can you add it to the log? 15:11:02 timing... 15:11:07 Ha! 15:11:08 #undo 15:11:08 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by adamw at 15:10:52 : adamw to start Fedora 24 'Heroes of Fedora' posts 15:11:15 #action coremodule to start Fedora 24 'Heroes of Fedora' posts 15:11:20 Whoa, not that. 15:11:27 I'll do it, but I don't know the criteria. 15:11:48 #undo 15:11:48 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by adamw at 15:11:15 : coremodule to start Fedora 24 'Heroes of Fedora' posts 15:11:53 #action adamw and/or coremodule to start Fedora 24 'Heroes of Fedora' posts 15:11:55 how bout that 15:11:56 :P 15:11:59 i'll mail you 15:12:05 That works! Cool, thanks. 15:12:34 #info "coremodule to consult with adamw about the F24 HoF post when he returns" - we discussed it in the meeting, we'll work on the posts this week 15:13:25 there's an 'action item' shown as "This will be deferred until adamw returns as satellit was not able to get in touch with the devs needed to submit the pull request.", which i think should have been a #info, and is about the how-to-create-live-cd instructions 15:13:35 so, i think i need to follow up with satellit on that 15:13:50 #action adamw to check in with satellit on live CD creation instructions next steps 15:14:10 I still have not had help with this 15:14:16 satellit: yeah, sorry, i went on vacation. 15:14:31 np 15:14:50 there's also "Will wait until we can get in touch with cmurf to move forward here.", which is about "cmurf to collect replies to blocker notification thread and make a proposal for changes if any" 15:14:59 since you're here today, cmurf, where do you think we stand on that? 15:15:24 There weren't really any concerns. 15:15:50 The thread went no where. So it might be a matter of how it was framed. Or it may be that no one really sees a problem. 15:16:16 So my summary is QA folks, in particular adamw, shouldn't feel like they have to chase people down getting status reports on their bugs in order to prevent slips. 15:17:23 cmurf: both the replies to the mail were negative, iirc. 15:17:54 I didn't see them as negative so much as "there's no problem here" 15:18:42 There was a general denial that developers need a notification mechanism other than bugzilla emails, or the blocker bug tracker app. 15:19:09 yeah, sounds about accurate... 15:19:36 let's say the response was basically a big shrug :) 15:19:40 so what do you think the next step is? 15:19:43 Had I really thought that baby sitting was going to be in part a QA job description, I likely would have put my foot in my mouth. 15:19:58 Since I didn't do that, I don't think anyone literally expects personal contact from QA about their bugs. 15:20:57 No problem, no next step. Not that I can see anyway. 15:23:10 okay. that sounds fine to me, i don't think there's really a huge issue here (the effort of manually contacting people about blockers is not really so big) 15:23:15 we can always come back to it if necessary 15:24:15 #info on cmurf's blocker notification proposal - as the response to the mail did not suggest developers think there is a problem here, we'll let the issue slide for now, if blocker notification becomes a problem in future we can always come back to it 15:24:40 i think that's all the follow up, or am i missing anything? 15:25:49 That's it. 15:26:03 That looks good to me, those were the big ones. 15:26:58 alrighty 15:27:15 #topic Fedora 25 Alpha/Test Days status 15:27:43 so, we have blocker review coming up at the top of the hour 15:28:09 I contacted the change owner of Parallel Debug info , but didnt get a reply yet . 15:28:23 should I contact someone else? 15:28:57 sumantro: is anyone else mentioned on the change page or in relevant changelogs or anything? 15:29:11 no just one guy. 15:29:31 hmm :/ 15:29:42 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mjw 15:29:43 well if that person doesn't seem responsive, it's probably best to move on to something else 15:30:13 we *can* run test days without developer support if it's a sufficiently important topic, but for something like this it's probably not worthwhile if the dev isn't interested 15:30:45 #info owner of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ParallelInstallableDebuginfo does not seem interested in our proposal to run a test day so far 15:31:36 Can we run https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Replace_UDisks2_by_Storaged as test day? 15:31:46 I can start off contacting the people 15:31:51 sumantro: yeah, i think that was on our list of changes to test 15:32:39 Yes ,it is . I will go ahead with mailing the propose change owner for test day 15:33:10 #action sumantro to contact owners of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Replace_UDisks2_by_Storaged for potential test day 15:33:41 sumantro: did you have any other test day proposals? 15:34:24 No , nothing uptil now. I wanted to start with ParallelDebug info but didn't get any reply 15:34:57 ok 15:35:07 I saw one ticket although of an testday on august 25th 15:35:17 ah, a test day request? 15:35:34 yes 15:35:42 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/488 15:35:49 it seems pschindl is taking care of that one 15:35:58 so it should be fine, you shouldn't need to worry about it... 15:36:12 okay! 15:37:33 alrighty, so on general f25 status - we have a few validation tests not yet done for Alpha, so if folks can help with those it'd be great 15:37:45 remember https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/25 is useful for seeing tests which still need covering 15:38:02 #info some F25 Alpha validation tests have still not been done or not done recently, so we could improve there 15:38:03 I tested in vm's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_25_Branched_20160807.n.0_Installation#Default_boot_and_install 15:38:39 #info F25 Alpha freeze is 2016-08-09, IIRC that usually means 00:00 UTC on 2016-08-09, so in ~8 hours 15:39:57 i'm not aware of any other issues for f25 besides setting up test days and getting the validation coverage improved, does anyone have anything? 15:40:06 * kparal notes pschindl is on vacation this week 15:40:54 btw, jskladan seems to have some troubles running initrd with kickstart included, bug not yet reported 15:41:25 Is wayland by default a feature for F25? Maybe a test day there is warranted? 15:41:40 kparal: that is, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Kickstart_File_Path_Ks_Cfg ? 15:41:45 cmurf: hmm, good question. 15:41:59 i don't see it in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/ChangeSet . 15:42:01 * satellit wayland is first in latest live menu 15:42:09 Another one might be the dual headed GPU work for GNOME. 15:42:10 adamw: yes, that would be it, but he's running it as part of image_factory for building taskotron images. only f25 and rawhide seem to be affected 15:43:15 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BetterSwitchableGraphicsSupport 15:43:39 kparal: ok. i think that's beta or final, right? so not urgent right now, but we should definitely get a bug report in if it's broken... 15:43:47 Final, IIRC 15:43:51 i also think i meant to openqa-ify that test, but doesn't look like i did it yet :P 15:44:05 oh yeah, that's right, it turns out to be an interesting case in openqa test design. anyhow, off topic. 15:44:10 yeah, it's a bit difficult, garretraziel says 15:44:34 We'd want to get extra coverage, via a test day, to reduce regressions this might introduce to graphics support. 15:44:42 cmurf: good points, can i give you and sumantro an action item to sync up and look at setting up test days for those topics? 15:44:44 Another one for test day, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraMediaWriterAsPrimaryDownloadable 15:45:02 cmurf: we did a lot of testing on that one for f24, but we could run it again for sure, wouldn't be too much work 15:45:09 sure! adamw 15:45:35 I am all for both of them !! adamw and cmurf 15:45:44 adamw: Yeah but this invovles Windows and macOS supposedly as official tools, which right now they aren't. And don't really even exist still. 15:45:51 cmurf: good point 15:46:10 I'm a bit skeptical it happens for F25, personally. 15:46:15 #action cmurf and sumantro to co-ordinate on organizing test days for Wayland-by-default, BetterSwitchableGraphicsSupport and FedoraMediaWriterAsPrimaryDownloadable 15:46:23 thanks a lot guys 15:47:44 ok, we have another agenda topic and only a bit of time left, so let's move on... 15:47:48 #topic New member welcome, sponsorship, another onboarding meeting? 15:48:00 so first of all, if there are any new members here today, hi, welcome, and thanks for joining! 15:48:31 hi adamw. I invited yosef7 here to get know the fedora qa process. 15:48:34 He is very interested. 15:48:39 cool :) 15:48:44 hi yosef 15:48:58 hi yosef :) 15:49:04 hi :) 15:49:12 Hello yosef :) 15:49:38 Welcome! 15:49:54 :) 15:50:02 so, i had a couple of topics related to new members: the sponsorship process, and whether we should run another video chat 'onboarding session 15:50:08 Hi !! 15:50:20 hi kmurarka! 15:50:20 Step by step, I want to learn from you 15:50:21 Hi kmurarka! :) 15:50:22 thanks! 15:51:00 so i was clearly completely wrong about people not being able to join the list to send self-introduction mails, but having looked at the page again i still think we could make the join process a bit more explicit and have an SOP for sponsors 15:51:03 does that sound OK to everyone? 15:51:25 yes :) 15:51:34 Yeah, anything to make it easier to join up. 15:51:40 yes 15:51:42 my thought was basically to make it clear that before you get sponsored we'll need to confirm directly with you that you're a real person and really interested in QA, whether that's by a self-introduction post, IRC, or direct mail 15:51:55 sounds good 15:52:03 and that's what we'd write into QA/Join and the sponsor SOP. if that sounds basically OK, I can draft up the wiki changes and mail them to the list for review 15:52:09 yes, that sounds like a good proposal :) 15:52:34 that sounds perfect !! :) 15:53:00 We can also re-run the video onboarding call 15:53:10 with the new people 15:53:55 yes, video call would be nice too ! 15:54:54 alrighty 15:55:08 adamw , I'll create a doodle and set up the timings somewhere 22nd-26th week of this month! 15:55:23 #action adamw to draft clarifications on joining process for QA/Join page, and a new sponsorship SOP for sponsors, and send drafts to test@ for review 15:55:28 sumantro: sounds awesome 15:55:35 #action sumantro to schedule another run of the onboarding meeting 15:55:52 sumantro: it'd be good if we can figure out how to avoid the 10 person limit this time, somehow 15:56:56 alrighty, we're running out of time :P 15:56:58 #topic Open floor 15:56:58 Yes, I am in lookout for tried and tested alternative which we can implement without much hassle 15:57:09 sumantro: cool 15:57:18 does anyone have anything else which urgently needs discussing? 15:58:14 ok, in that case, everyone grab a quick coffee then head over to #fedora-blocker-review for the blocker review meeting :P 15:58:29 See you there! 15:58:32 we'll be starting that meeting in 2 minutes, but i'll leave the roll call open for a bit so everyone can take a break 15:58:45 thanks for coming, everyone! 15:59:24 #endmeeting