06:03:48 <pravins> #startmeeting i18n
06:03:48 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 31 06:03:48 2016 UTC.  The chair is pravins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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06:03:48 <pravins> #meetingname i18n
06:03:48 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'i18n'
06:03:48 <pravins> #topic agenda and roll call
06:03:48 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-08-31
06:03:54 <mfabian> ☺
06:03:57 <pravins> hi all :)
06:04:03 <paragan> hi
06:04:12 <pravins> hi mfabian paragan :)
06:04:15 <pravins> #chair mfabian paragan
06:04:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: mfabian paragan pravins
06:04:32 <pravins> mfabian: i am planning to upgrade to Fedora 25 Alpha, then i will also put smiley like you ;)
06:04:46 <pravins> who else available for meeting??
06:05:49 <Satya> hi
06:05:54 <pravins> hi Satya :)
06:06:03 <suanand> hi
06:06:14 <pravins> fujiwarat: tagoh_ around ^^
06:06:16 <pravins> hi suanand :)
06:06:19 <fujiwarat> hi
06:06:20 <pravins> #chair Satya suanand
06:06:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya mfabian paragan pravins suanand
06:06:26 <pravins> ok, lets start
06:06:34 <pravins> #topic Upcoming schedule
06:06:34 <pravins> #info 2016-08-30 	Alpha Release
06:06:34 <pravins> #info 2016-09-13 	Software Translation Deadline
06:06:34 <pravins> #info 2016-09-27 	Beta Freeze (*)
06:06:34 <pravins> #info 2016-09-27   Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline
06:07:42 <pravins> Aplha is available now
06:07:43 <pravins> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/OV3APVA63F4EM5FDLBN5DK5OKEZJWROJ/
06:08:07 <pravins> #topic Outstanding task
06:08:07 <pravins> #info #36: Disabling/blacklisting Indic XKB keyboard layouts in Gnome (mfabian)
06:08:07 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36
06:08:42 <pravins> mfabian: did you pinged Peter?
06:08:50 <mfabian> I pinged Peter Hutterer who told me to ping Sergey V. Udaltsov.
06:08:58 <juhp> hi
06:09:08 <mfabian> Sergey said the patch will be in the next release, some time in September.
06:09:56 <pravins> aha, wow. Thats nice new
06:10:02 <pravins> i pinged on Fedora bug again ;)
06:10:12 <pravins> mfabian: may be you can update Fedora bug.
06:10:20 <pravins> It will be nice to see this improvement happen.
06:10:55 <pravins> #info Patch for disabling XKB Indic keyboard will be available in next release.
06:11:14 <pravins> dunno, why they do not comment on bugzilla.
06:11:50 <pravins> thanks mfabian :)
06:11:58 <pravins> #topic #66: F25 Documentation beat (pravins)
06:11:59 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/66
06:12:13 <pravins> Doc beat is open now for receiving inputs
06:12:20 <mfabian> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1337393#c6
06:12:46 <pravins> nice
06:13:13 <pravins> epico: thanks for adding first note there :)
06:13:46 <epico> hi
06:13:56 <pravins> #chair epico
06:13:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand
06:14:10 <pravins> I am still not clear, when they are going to close the beats.
06:14:30 <pravins> #info https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-docs-tasks.html
06:14:31 <pravins> schedule
06:14:47 <pravins> but good to start writing and adding things to Beat
06:14:53 <pravins> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
06:15:23 <epico> pravins: welcome
06:16:26 <pravins> Generally we add, New packages added, any particular changes
06:16:34 <pravins> so feel free to edit.
06:16:51 <pravins> #topic #64: Fedora 25 planning (pravins)
06:16:51 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/64
06:17:14 <pravins> Last meeting we decided to improve change proposals by cross verifying
06:17:29 <pravins> mfabian: you might have notes, i did some improvements in IBus multilingual proposal.
06:17:35 <pravins> its already nicely written :)
06:17:42 <pravins> epico: thanks for working on Unicode 9.0
06:17:57 <pravins> juhp: did you able to do Emoji one?
06:17:57 <epico> welcome :)
06:18:28 <juhp> I think I started but maybe not finished yet sorry
06:18:29 <pravins> may be, i will looks into Emoji also.
06:18:34 <juhp> let me look at it now again
06:18:44 <juhp> pravins: sure feel free
06:19:04 <pravins> juhp: yeah, then you can again do further clean up.
06:19:24 <pravins> I think more people will look into Emoji feature this time, so good to have good change proposal page
06:19:36 <pravins> from what i feel, even having some screenshots is fine
06:20:19 <pravins> hurray !! paragan started porting i18n trac of fedorahosted to pagure.io
06:20:25 <mfabian> pravins: Should I add something about the emoji in ibus-typing-booster multilingual proposal?
06:20:52 <pravins> mfabian: yes, good to have it.
06:20:56 <paragan> Sorry for spamming in #fedora-g11n its g11n bot that is providing updates there
06:21:00 <pravins> Also i think good to mention that in docs beat
06:21:30 <pravins> #action pravins to do review of Emoji change proposal.
06:21:55 <pravins> Are we missing anything for change proposal?
06:23:13 <pravins> lets move to next topic
06:23:39 <pravins> #topic #67: Fedora 25 i18n test day planning (pravins)
06:23:39 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/67
06:23:51 <pravins> This is thing we are missing for change proposal, more testing :)
06:24:07 <pravins> We need inputs for test day here
06:25:24 <pravins> normally we do i18n test day, one week before Beta Freeze
06:25:33 <pravins> https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60#comment:2
06:26:07 <pravins> For Fedora 25 Beta freeze is happening on 2016-09-27
06:26:30 <pravins> So how does 20th Sept 2016 looks?
06:26:40 <pravins> #chair
06:26:40 <zodbot> Current chairs: Satya epico mfabian paragan pravins suanand
06:27:47 <pravins> Can we freeze 20th Sept for i18n test day, as of now?
06:29:02 <juhp> sounds okay to me anyway
06:29:09 <Satya> thats nice.
06:29:11 <Satya> +1
06:29:19 <pravins> yeah, we have some time.
06:29:31 <pravins> #agreed I18N Test day on 20th Sept.
06:29:41 <pravins> #topic #63: Bug triaging activity post F24 Beta release (pravins)
06:29:41 <pravins> #link https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/63
06:29:57 <pravins> unfortunately we did not progressed on Bug triaging activity.
06:30:05 <pravins> I am somehow thinking to merge this with L10N
06:30:25 <pravins> Fedora 24 l10n days has 50 bugs reported but as far as i know, its not triaged yet as well.
06:30:32 <pravins> not sure, how to proceed for it.
06:31:34 <pravins> I will discuss with noriko and Satya later.
06:31:45 <Satya> sure!
06:31:46 <pravins> last topic
06:31:47 <pravins> #topic Open Floor
06:32:03 <pravins> If we missed anything or you would like to bring something up please mention here.
06:32:20 <pravins> Our F24 improvements article is up now on communityblog
06:32:36 <pravins> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/globalization-improvements-fedora-24/
06:32:59 <pravins> Fedora 25 l10n test day is happening from 3rd-9th Sept
06:33:00 <juhp> okay I think I finished basic tweaking the emoji Change
06:33:16 <pravins> thanks juhp :)
06:33:28 <juhp> pravins: yes thanks for that - btw who chose that image?
06:33:40 <pravins> jflory7:
06:33:51 <juhp> I see hmm
06:34:27 <pravins> We need some artwork in longterm
06:34:31 <juhp> yeah
06:34:45 <juhp> I don't particularly like it, even if it looks pretty
06:35:08 <pravins> #idea Reusable Artwork for G11N/I18N/L10N related articles.
06:35:35 <juhp> fujiwarat: can you remind me how to use your emoji under gnome?
06:35:48 <juhp> or anyone
06:36:26 <pravins> Ctrl-Shift-e
06:36:32 <fujiwarat> juhp: Adding one more IMEs enable ibus xkb engine.
06:36:37 <juhp> fujiwarat: any plan to backport to f24 say, if no risk
06:36:56 <juhp> fujiwarat: okay so why we emphasize non-gnome desktop?  I forgot
06:37:15 <mfabian> Fujiwara San’s new ibus  works fine for me on f24.
06:37:32 <juhp> mfabian: yeah I mean as an update :)
06:37:50 <pravins> yes, good to have it for F24. It will helpful for testing.
06:37:52 <fujiwarat> juhp: I thought the way of one more IMEs might confuse people.
06:38:17 <pravins> IMO good to have Testing steps for "Gnome" and "Non-Gnome"  users :)
06:38:20 <mfabian> juhp: What means “emphasize on non-gnome desktop”?
06:38:28 <fujiwarat> And also I have the plan to enhance the UI.
06:38:50 <juhp> pravins: +1
06:38:56 <juhp> mfabian: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IBus_Emoji_Typing#How_To_Test
06:39:11 <juhp> fujiwarat: maybe that is what i was asking about
06:39:14 <fujiwarat> mfabian: My Change explains non-GNOME desktop provides emoji typing.
06:39:32 <mfabian> fujiwarat: But it works on Gnome just as nicely.
06:39:48 <juhp> fujiwarat: but actually it works on gnome right - so we should adjust the text i think
06:40:04 <pravins> yes
06:40:28 <fujiwarat> OK, testing it should be fine.
06:40:40 <fujiwarat> , I agree.
06:41:00 <juhp> fujiwarat: then maybe could you update the Change to reflect that?
06:41:03 <pravins> #action fujiwarat to add Gnome users test case to Change proposal.
06:41:11 <juhp> :)
06:41:28 <juhp> that will be clearer I think yeah
06:41:42 <juhp> I think most fedora users probably using gnome
06:42:17 <pravins> yes, default
06:42:18 <pravins> :)
06:43:03 <juhp> fujiwarat: even could remove step 1 and change step 2 to describe adding IME for gnome/non-gnome I think that is all - no restart needed?
06:43:26 <juhp> otherwise looks okay to me :)
06:44:12 <pravins> Other topic: Translation sprint is happening from 3rd to 9th September, so we might get some question by translation guys on irc. Will need help from our team.
06:44:17 <pravins> Though mostly from Zanata
06:44:35 <pravins> if nothing more lets close meeting in couple of minutes..
06:44:40 <juhp> mfabian, fujiwarat: kind of wonder if it would more sense to advertise the ibus-typing-booster emoji support there?  or is that going to cause confusion between the two - probably... hmm
06:44:47 <fujiwarat> juhp: non-GNOME desktop enables emoji typing with ibus xkb engines without ibus input method engines.
06:45:10 <juhp> fujiwarat: ah
06:45:23 <juhp> fujiwarat: why not for gnome?
06:45:30 <mfabian> fujiwarat: But that is the same for gnome, isn’t it?
06:47:52 <fujiwarat> juhp: Because gtk-im-context-simple is used instead of ibus xkb engines if IME is not configured.
06:48:10 <juhp> ah yes that's right
06:48:34 <pravins> juhp: generally speaking, even i think, its good to have ibus-typing-booster emoji support also on same page. But i afraid good to have less confusion.
06:48:45 <fujiwarat> mfabian: I think the point is different.
06:48:47 <juhp> yeah
06:48:56 <mfabian> Oh, I didn’t know, that might be quite confusing, one might wonder why it doesn’t work in Gnome then when one has only a keyboard layout configured.
06:49:07 <juhp> fujiwarat: okay well - then maybe better to have separate test steps
06:49:39 <fujiwarat> So that's why I noted non-GNOME only. But testing it is nice.
06:50:04 <mfabian> fujiwarat, juhp: So on Gnome the test procedure would be to have at least one xkb layout *and* at least one non-xkb input method, then emojis work, right?
06:50:22 <fujiwarat> mfabian: right
06:50:33 <juhp> fujiwarat: okay - so please add gnome test case too thanks
06:50:55 <fujiwarat> i see.
06:52:06 <pravins> thanks juhp for inputs :)  Also i feel it really make sense to have Emoji article on fedoramagazine sometime
06:52:11 <pravins> i dont know exact timing
06:52:21 <pravins> i will talk to Paul Frield soon.
06:52:41 <juhp> yeah probably once once it has been tested more widely
06:52:42 <pravins> #action pravins to talk with PaulFrield for Emoji article in FedoraMagazine
06:53:18 <pravins> yes
06:53:28 <pravins> Lets stop here.
06:53:34 <pravins> Thanks everyone for meeting.
06:53:38 <juhp> fujiwarat: I think it would be good to discuss with the gnome/workstation people about lifting
06:53:42 <juhp> the restriction
06:53:50 <pravins> and discuss on #fedora-g11n :)
06:53:55 <pravins> #endmeeting