12:00:13 #startmeeting Fedora Diversity Team - 2016 Sept. 28 12:00:13 Meeting started Wed Sep 28 12:00:13 2016 UTC. The chair is jflory7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_diversity_team_-_2016_sept._28' 12:00:16 #meetingname diversity 12:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' 12:00:23 #topic Roll Call / Q&A 12:00:26 .hello jflory7 12:00:27 .hello tatica 12:00:28 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 12:00:31 tatica: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' 12:00:31 .hello jonatoni 12:00:34 .hello marinaz 12:00:36 jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 12:00:39 marinaz: marinaz 'Marina Zhurakhinskaya' 12:00:58 .hello devyani7 12:01:00 devyani7_: devyani7 'Devyani Kota' 12:01:05 #chair tatica jonatoni marinaz devyani7_ 12:01:05 Current chairs: devyani7_ jflory7 jonatoni marinaz tatica 12:01:13 .hello a2batic 12:01:14 a2batic: a2batic 'Kanika Murarka' 12:01:38 #chair a2batic 12:01:38 Current chairs: a2batic devyani7_ jflory7 jonatoni marinaz tatica 12:02:15 .hello amsharma 12:02:17 Amita: amsharma 'Amita Sharma' 12:02:52 #chair Amita 12:02:52 Current chairs: Amita a2batic devyani7_ jflory7 jonatoni marinaz tatica 12:03:01 Morning, afternoon, evening everyone :) 12:03:31 hey :) 12:03:52 Hello :) 12:04:22 I think we have enough people to get started - anyone else can chime in as they arrive. 12:04:27 #topic Announcements 12:04:59 Anyone have any announcements here? 12:05:05 I'm digging around a little bit 12:05:36 not from me right now 12:05:39 a2batic, has submitted the diversity panel to FUDCon 12:05:46 devyani7, too 12:06:06 It has been a busy week on my side, so little advance currently, sorry about that 12:06:08 * a2batic nod nod 12:06:14 #info a2batic and devyani7 submitted diversity panel for FUDCon 12:06:16 #awesome 12:06:32 * devyani7_ nods 12:06:54 * devyani7_ also submitted an abstract for hubs workshop for FUDCon 12:07:01 s/for/on 12:07:16 devyani7, nice 12:07:18 tatica: No worries, same for me too. Hoping I'll have some more time this coming week. 12:07:20 devyani7++ 12:07:21 fantastic!!! 12:07:32 tatica, np 12:07:48 devyani7_: Awesome! Sounds like you all will have a busy FUDCon :) 12:07:55 Amita, :) 12:08:06 devyani7_++ 12:08:13 If no further announcements, we can go into action items from last week next. 12:08:14 all the best a2batic and devyani7 12:08:24 #topic Action items from last week 12:08:35 thanks Amita :) 12:08:38 don't forget pics! 12:08:42 #info === [IN PROGRESS] diversity_team Work on defining planned impact / scope of the FAD === 12:08:55 We covered some of this at our impromptu hack session on Friday. 12:09:00 devyani7++ 12:09:00 jonatoni: Karma for devyani7 changed to 8 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:09:11 sorry I couldn't make it, I did... but woke up at 6am :S 12:09:15 I made a dent on Sunday/Monday for getting some text done, but still have some ways to go. 12:09:58 tatica: It was at insane early hours on Friday, if I hadn't been flying, I would have been sleeping too!! 12:10:24 #info Progress ongoing, got some work done at our hack session on Friday, but will cover more in ticket today 12:10:39 nod nod 12:10:40 #info === [IN PROGRESS] a2batic Amita tatica devyani7 marinaz Continue working on initial structure / format of the panel and what content to deliver for FUDCon diversity panel, follow up again next week === 12:10:59 #info Panel submitted to FUDCon, Etherpad created with more details and specifics about plans for the panel 12:11:15 #info === a2batic devyani7 need to find out the FUDCon orgaizer list === 12:11:24 Either of you figure this one out? 12:11:30 https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-diversity-fudcon 12:11:52 a2batic++ 12:11:58 Not yet, we are working on it 12:12:06 Okay, sounds good. 12:12:08 a2batic++ 12:12:08 jonatoni: Karma for a2batic changed to 9 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:12:21 #action a2batic devyani7 Find out the FUDCon organizer list 12:12:25 jflory7, shouldn't we wait for the selections 12:12:43 a2batic: given that the panel is taking place in East Asia, and underrepresentation of people from East Asia in Fedora came up at the diversity sessions at Flock, I think it should be a strong focus of the discussion for the panel 12:12:50 with some local participants 12:13:46 could you please use part of the panel to learn more about the discrimination women suffer at india currently? 12:13:47 marinaz, yes, local participation would really help us 12:13:54 devyani7, a2batic: you can strengthen your proposal by identifying panelists, especially local panelists hearing from whom will have a lot of relevance to the audience 12:13:56 devyani7_: Hmm, I'm trying to remember the context for why we needed the organizer mailing list 12:14:00 marinaz: +1 12:14:12 marinaz, nod nod 12:15:36 jflory7, if we have list, we can send the panelist a headsup or invite 12:15:49 * devyani7_ erases 12:15:50 bkp shown interest to be on panel, which is great 12:15:56 jflory7, ^^ 12:16:12 marinaz, +1 12:16:18 Amita: Ah, okay - do you mean like we did at Flock? 12:16:31 jflory7, we did it as last min thing in Flock 12:16:45 Right, I see now - so to put the call out earlier 12:16:50 jflory7, it would be great to do it well in advance this time 12:16:52 So not the organizer list, but an attendee list 12:16:54 tatica, +1 12:16:56 I understand now 12:17:08 a2batic, devyani7: I see a note that you would like to include a topic of bullying in the panel - I think that was very confusing to the audience without specific examples last time 12:17:11 jflory7, speakers list :) 12:17:18 Let me revise that action a little more 12:17:20 #undo 12:17:20 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by jflory7 at 12:12:21 : a2batic devyani7 Find out the FUDCon organizer list 12:17:47 a2batic, devyani7: so it needs more thought on what the examples are that you can share and whether bullying is the most descriptive term for what people are encountering 12:18:14 #action a2batic devyani7 Find out where a FUDCon speakers mailing list is (if it exists) to put out a call for participants on the panel 12:18:16 #nick devyani7 12:18:39 marinaz, we need to think about good examples 12:18:47 #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Add info to the ticket with technical ideas / details from test repo in Pagure staging repositories === 12:18:57 #action jflory7 Add info to the ticket with technical ideas / details from test repo in Pagure staging repositories 12:19:07 * jflory7 is going to switch to the panel discussion ticket :) 12:19:10 #topic Tickets 12:19:23 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting 12:19:32 #info === Ticket #10 === 12:19:43 #info "Next Diversity Panel Planning" 12:19:46 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/10 12:21:31 * jflory7 is going through the Etherpad to catch up 12:23:08 One topic of interest that may be worth covering to is imposter syndrome 12:23:48 a2batic: did you end up proposing a talk on diversity, or did you just propose a panel? 12:23:56 #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQrkgyArV5k 12:23:57 jflory7, yeah, there was a talk last year on this topic 12:24:15 in some conference 12:24:41 marinaz, proposal for pannel 12:24:49 a2batic: ok! 12:26:14 marinaz, since 25th was the last day, we summed up some points on etherpad, we can change it afterwards according to the panel formed 12:26:55 a2batic, devyani7: the information on the organizing team is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016#Team: you can reach out to them directly and ask whether any of them would like to speak about representation of contributors from East Asia in Fedora or have any recommendations 12:27:15 * devyani7_ clicks 12:27:28 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016#Team 12:27:53 a2batic, devyani7: I haven't typically seen mailing lists for speakers, especially since the talks are not selected yet 12:28:17 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Botreynisa may be? 12:28:26 marinaz, nod nod. we'll get in touch with them and ask if they can join the panel. 12:28:38 also... 12:28:51 Can we also ask for the list of people attending? 12:29:00 uh, that^^^ 12:29:08 a2batic, devyani7: thanks! you would also need to update your outline and questions to include this topic (maybe worth doing up-front before contacting anyone to show the intent) 12:29:40 a2batic: I don't know if they'll have it yet, but you can ask :) 12:30:21 marinaz, yep, we need to update the questions list 12:31:07 Want to form some action items for this? 12:31:12 * jflory7 notes we're at halfway point 12:31:16 marinaz, List of people will help us to know the audience better, and some of them can be the part of panel, maybe 12:31:24 marinaz, sure thing. guess we need a few more suggestions for the same 12:31:35 a2batic, nod nod 12:31:54 devyani7, but as marinaz rightly said organizers themselves don't know yet who all going to make the event. 12:32:09 Amita, nod nod 12:32:23 Amita, um, ya true that... 12:32:25 so we can right now, can consider the organizer team list 12:32:34 so what do you suggest 12:32:35 a2batic, devyani7, Amita: one of the things to look for is people who have organized Fedora events in the region, including local meetups 12:32:36 who are for sure going to be there 12:33:00 marinaz, +1 12:33:01 marinaz, Sure 12:33:15 * devyani7_ notes. @marinaz +1 12:33:26 so two action items here - mail to organizers to see who all are interested 12:33:55 and second, look for local event organizers in the region, they sure going to attend and mail them if they are interested 12:34:01 devyani7: do you mean more suggestions for the topics/questions? would it be helpful if I added some comments in the etherpad? 12:34:03 marinaz, ^^ please review and add 12:34:32 marinaz, yup, few suggestions on the etherpad would be of great help. thanks :) 12:34:42 thanks marinaz 12:34:52 thanks marinaz :) 12:35:00 marinaz++ 12:35:08 marinaz++ 12:35:11 marinaz ++ 12:35:15 marinaz++ 12:35:16 wake up zodbot 12:35:37 marinaz++ 12:35:37 tatica: Karma for marinaz changed to 3 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:35:38 marinaz++ 12:35:40 jonatoni: Karma for marinaz changed to 4 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:35:46 marinaz++ 12:35:46 a2batic: Karma for marinaz changed to 5 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:35:48 :D 12:35:52 bee, o/ 12:36:06 Amita: I would say it's one action items: - mail to organizers to see if any of them have had experience organizing Fedora outreach in the region and would like to participate in the diversity panel to talk about getting more people from East Asia involved in Fedora; and also whether they have any recommendations for additional people they anticipate will attend the conference to invite 12:36:22 #link https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-diversity-fudcon 12:36:25 Cookie karma all around! 12:36:39 o/ devyani7_ so late , my bouncer doesnt seem to connect 12:36:47 #chair bee bee2502 12:36:47 Current chairs: Amita a2batic bee bee2502 devyani7_ jflory7 jonatoni marinaz tatica 12:36:48 .hello bee2502 12:36:49 bee: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' 12:36:53 marinaz, yupp 12:37:07 Okay, I'll write the actions really quick. 12:37:29 * devyani7_ makes notes too :/ 12:37:29 a2batic, devyani7: you should also have 5 panel participants at most; 4-5 is ideal 12:37:43 noted. 12:37:48 hello bee 12:37:49 marinaz, noted :) 12:37:55 marinaz, +1 12:38:14 too many panelist , you would need more than 2 hrs 12:38:21 if you have a local activist that could help as well, no matter if is not part of fedora (yet) 12:38:31 experience in this cases is more valuable than anything 12:38:38 #action a2batic devyani7 Reach out to FUDCon organizers and ask if they have experienced organizing Fedora outreach events in region, ask if they would like to participate in Diversity panel for East Asia representation, and ask for recommendations on additional people to invite to panel who will attend FUDCon 12:38:54 #action marinaz Review Etherpad and leave feedback / comments 12:39:04 tatica, not sure, if that can upset some people - not part of fedora (yet) 12:39:11 hello Amita o/ 12:39:15 * bee2502 is reading the past discussion now 12:39:17 marinaz++ 12:39:17 bee2502: Karma for marinaz changed to 6 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:39:17 Amita, why would upset people? 12:39:28 hey changing nicks bee2502 :) 12:39:51 yes, webchat got disconnected but luckily bouncer is up again :) 12:39:53 jflory7++ 12:39:54 #info Recommended number of panelists is around 4-5 12:40:22 tatica, not sure, but in FUDCon, people can say Fedora Contributors only thing, I am not sure though 12:40:27 we can try 12:40:29 not at all 12:40:49 I had members from other communities at my local fudcon and they ended up joining fedora and becoming regional leaders 12:40:54 bee2502, ah okay 12:40:55 We're in the last 20 minutes - want to carry on this discussion later and switch to FAD discussion? 12:41:00 how we want to recruit more people if we don't expand our reach? 12:41:15 tatica, +100 to that 12:41:31 tatica, +1 :) 12:41:35 :) 12:41:48 now we have argument to make if someone even get upset :D 12:41:50 tatica, Amita: if there is a local activist who has experience with diversity, but not as much with Fedora, I think it would be valuable to have them on the panel 12:42:00 marinaz, exactly 12:42:13 I am totally in for that :) 12:42:28 just imagine you have a psicologyst friend who has experience dealing with harassment cases, but is not such a techie... his/her experience would be insanely fantastic 12:42:41 O.o 12:42:48 just a random example 12:43:11 jflory7, sure +1 from me 12:43:20 openess is what made us be all here :) 12:43:20 * jflory7 nods 12:43:32 tatica, +1 :) 12:43:44 tatica++ 12:43:47 * a2batic nods 12:43:49 tatica++ 12:43:50 I think we have a fair set of actions to keep us busy until next week. Can also resume discussion in #fedora-diversity after the meeting. :) 12:43:52 tatica++ 12:43:58 .tatica 12:43:58 I love tatica, you love tatica, WE ALL LOVE TATICA! 12:43:59 #info === Ticket #8 === 12:44:02 #info "Planning a FAD event" 12:44:05 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/8 12:44:39 The summary from our hack session on Friday is here: https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/8#comment-6378 12:44:46 jflory7++ 12:44:52 Amita and jonatoni were going to be working on specifics for budget 12:45:03 I wanted to get all of the impact wording done, but did not finish 12:45:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Diversity_2017#Impact 12:45:37 #info Objective we are targeting for the FAD is: building open source communities 12:45:43 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives 12:46:42 tatica: The end goal I'm trying to accomplish as far as the objectives go is to do the long explanation in the wiki page, and then adapt it into the table model by mattdm, which I believe is something we should really use for proposing our FAD. 12:46:55 tatica: I was hoping you might be able to pull out some Inkscape skills to help accomplish that. 12:47:01 #link https://pagure.io/FedoraLogicModelTemplate 12:48:13 sure :) 12:48:24 I will keep working to try finishing that part this week 12:48:29 For the wiki page 12:48:36 Will be sure to post updates in the ticket 12:49:06 #action jflory7 Finish writing Impact section of FAD wiki page 12:49:18 #action jflory7 tatica Work on adapting the wiki page content into the logic model template 12:49:42 We originally hoped to have the FAD planned and submitted by this Friday, but it seems like it will be difficult to do so 12:49:55 We did a lot of budget planning, but that will be a blocking factor to the proposal 12:50:13 jflory7, me and jonatoni are on top of it 12:50:16 #link https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-diversity-hack-session-pad 12:50:28 Amita++ jonatoni++ 12:50:31 jflory7, as soon as bee2502 completes her information, we can go for final calculations 12:50:39 bee2502, please do so , when you get time 12:50:52 Okay, perfect - so I think our big target goal should be a full, complete FAD proposal by our next meeting. 12:51:06 jflory7, +1 to that 12:51:09 If we push much farther than that, I think it will present complications with getting the FAD approved. 12:51:18 Amita, I am doing it right now 12:51:23 thanks bee2502 12:51:31 And definitely will pull bexelbie in for that once the proposal is ready 12:51:48 #agreed Target goal is to have a full and complete proposal for the FAD by our next meeting 12:51:53 jonatoni, lets get onto a call and do the calculations, sometime this week, if it works for you 12:52:07 amita yep sure 12:52:16 #action Amita jonatoni Continue working and calculating full event budget, create a final ballpark estimate cost for the FAD by next meeting 12:52:20 thanks jonatoni , I will share meeting details with you 12:52:33 thanks amita :) 12:52:40 :) thanks jonatoni 12:52:41 Excellent 12:53:11 So I think this ticket should be covered, lots of quick-moving items here. 12:53:19 Will definitely be discussing in channel during the week. 12:53:47 Going to switch to one final ticket 12:53:54 #info === Ticket #14 === 12:53:59 #info "Merge the data of Community_working_group with diversity team" 12:54:03 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/14 12:54:26 On this ticket, I don't think there is any opposition to merging the groups, so we probably need to figure out how we want to do that 12:54:29 Hi, I have filled the doc for Brno. I am not sure about where I will be in May i.e. Berlin/Mumbai 12:54:47 What should I fill then ? Amita Jflory7 12:55:15 bee2502: Right now, we're still anticipating for January / right after DevConf. 12:55:27 bee2502, shared the details with you 12:56:07 For this ticket, might it be as simple as adding headers / alert boxes to the tops of the wiki pages noting that the responsibilities of the CWG have switched to the Diversity Team? 12:56:37 jflory7, +1 12:56:42 that works, yes 12:56:55 but we still don't know about their mailing list (private one) 12:57:00 Since they're no longer an active group, I think this will work fine 12:57:06 jflory7, we may want to get the access of that ML 12:57:10 Amita: Is it still active or set up properly? 12:57:18 jflory7, AFAIK yes 12:57:53 I found their public list but can't find any link to a private one 12:58:13 jflory7, we may want to confirm from Ankur 12:58:36 Ah, no, I found it 12:58:45 Still exists 12:59:02 jflory7, you can put that in the ticket 12:59:11 and then we can put them in our diversity page? 12:59:33 atleast till the time we setup our repo for issue reports 12:59:44 we can reuse this old one 12:59:49 #agreed Can merge the two groups together: place alert boxes on the top of wiki pages noting that the Diversity Team now assumes responsibility for these tasks, work on claiming / updating private mailing lists for current team members 13:00:06 #nick FranciscoD 13:00:20 yeah I remember his real name Ankur :) 13:00:23 #action jflory7 Add alert box to the top of wiki pages for CWG pointing to Diversity team 13:00:39 Amita: Can I action you to reach out to Ankur for that one? 13:00:58 Sure 13:01:11 just give the action item, don't ask :) 13:01:58 #action Amita Reach out to FranciscoD about public / private mailing lists and getting current team members added as list owners there 13:02:11 Great - so we're a little bit over, but I think that covers this ticket well. 13:02:11 jflory7, thanks will do 13:02:13 #topic Open Floor 13:02:26 Anything else we want to cover before closing out? 13:02:33 an action item for jflory7 - take some rest this week 13:02:43 :P 13:03:05 it will be nice if things move forward for Survey 13:04:05 Definitely - once the FAD and FUDCon planning slows, it will be easier to spend more time focusing on efforts there 13:04:38 Right now, I think these things are taking a lot of our time and energy. :) 13:04:42 yeah 13:05:48 Alrighty then! 13:05:54 if nothing more, then let's closE? 13:05:56 I think we're probably good to close out here. 13:05:57 Yup! 13:06:01 cool 13:06:19 Thanks for coming out today everyone, it's very motivating to see all of the energy and drive with this group :) 13:06:34 thanks everyone :) 13:06:36 yeah 13:06:42 diversity++ 13:06:47 diversity++ 13:06:52 Until later o/ 13:06:53 #endmeeting