14:01:56 <randomuser> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 14:01:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 3 14:01:56 2016 UTC. The chair is randomuser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:56 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'docs_project_meeting_-_agenda:_https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/docs_project_meetings' 14:01:56 <randomuser> #meetingname Fedora Docs 14:01:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_docs' 14:01:56 <randomuser> #topic Roll Call 14:02:24 * zoglesby is kinda sorta here 14:02:51 * grundblom here(ish) 14:03:12 * pbokoc 14:03:34 * shaunm quack 14:03:51 <grundblom> fire alarm 14:03:53 <grundblom> gotta go 14:03:59 <pingou> g'd luck 14:04:10 <pbokoc> hah 14:06:14 <randomuser> #topic New Writers 14:06:26 <randomuser> Any new folks around? 14:06:42 <randomuser> or lurkers that would like to say hello, perhaps? 14:09:41 * randomuser presumes not 14:09:53 <randomuser> #topic Where are with the Release Cycle and Docs? 14:10:09 <randomuser> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-docs-tasks.html 14:10:47 <randomuser> there's still release notes stuff, and books to update 14:11:17 <pbokoc> I got one red hatter to take 3 changes, but I still haven't done anything myself 14:11:23 <randomuser> #action randomuser to do lots of relnotes stuff 14:11:48 * randomuser notes ctl+w does not work like that here 14:12:25 <randomuser> Beta release notes should be published next monday 14:13:02 <randomuser> there's usually not a lot of changes post-beta, only a handful of discoveries to add, so knocking it out this week would get us nicely back on schedule 14:13:35 <pbokoc> we should probably talk about branching. Since grundblom already did a ton of work on f25 and branched it off of f24, I'd say we could just keep using that 14:13:44 <randomuser> there's also a release announcement thing 14:13:55 <randomuser> pbokoc, right, i was supposed to deal with that... 14:13:55 <pbokoc> it doesn't really matter if it's branched off master or the previous release as long as we clean up old content properly 14:14:09 <pbokoc> randomuser, yeah, and I'm saying don't bother :) 14:14:13 <randomuser> heh 14:14:22 <randomuser> it has to be bothered with one way or another 14:14:53 <pbokoc> eh, I can go through everything and clean it up 14:15:21 <pbokoc> oh also, cspicer is still sick and probably will be all week so I guess I'll handle installer relnotes this time 14:15:28 <randomuser> while we're on the subject, if you've been following fedoramagazine.org, you might have noticed that they're coming up with a ton of documentation and such about things in the upcoming release 14:15:33 <randomuser> pbokoc++ 14:16:00 <pbokoc> oh? 14:16:55 <randomuser> https://fedoramagazine.org/whats-new-389-directory-server-1-3-5/ for example 14:17:05 * randomuser shrugs 14:17:43 <randomuser> or https://fedoramagazine.org/gnome-3-22-released/ 14:17:55 <randomuser> stuff we can link to for further details 14:18:34 <pbokoc> oh yeah, I was thinking we should have a section on gnome, even if it's not in changes 14:18:50 <pbokoc> brb 5 minutes 14:19:22 <randomuser> the last few releases, i've gone over upstream release notes and pulled in interesting bits 14:20:17 <randomuser> #link https://pagure.io/release-notes/issues 14:20:26 <randomuser> #info track release notes needs at pagure 14:20:49 <pbokoc> alright, let's see if my DM crashes again when I dock 14:22:09 <pkovar> btw, its interesting to see https://fedoramagazine.org/gnome-3-22-released/ not mentioning wayland 14:22:29 <randomuser> indeed 14:22:52 <randomuser> we really should have some solid wayland info for our users, but I don't know much about it 14:23:38 <randomuser> besides the fact that I expect tons of compatibility and usability complaints from users with low graphics performance, or users with proprietary drivers 14:24:28 <randomuser> #info wayland content needed 14:24:37 <randomuser> #topic Specific Doc Status 14:24:51 <randomuser> we haven't had much to say lately in this section 14:25:23 <randomuser> and afaik, there haven't been many disruptive changes in the scope of our books, so that's probably ok 14:26:00 <randomuser> systemd changes are likely to be the most impacting 14:27:03 <pkovar> btw, there's one publish req from fr team, https://pagure.io/docs-fp-o/issue/28, i do not have time to work on it this week otherwise i would take it 14:27:28 <randomuser> I can probably work on that 14:27:35 <randomuser> will take assignment as I start 14:28:11 <pkovar> do you know the black magic behind updating docsite-publican, randomuser? 14:28:15 <pkovar> i don't 14:28:20 <grundblom> back, firealarm over 14:28:22 <randomuser> pkovar, O 14:28:24 <randomuser> ahem 14:28:39 <randomuser> I've done it before, and have upstream commits... we'll see 14:28:59 <pkovar> okay 14:29:15 <pkovar> (also, why is pagure so slow?) 14:29:28 <randomuser> seems fine here 14:30:56 <randomuser> #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets 14:31:00 <randomuser> #info All Bugs - http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 14:31:15 <randomuser> zoglesby, you were working on something to aggregate pagure issues, iirc? 14:32:10 <zoglesby> I wrote the script, we just need to set it up to run automatically and put the html on something. 14:32:28 <randomuser> can you open an issue for it? 14:32:41 <zoglesby> sure, on what project? 14:32:55 <randomuser> hm.. docs.fp.o i suppose 14:33:02 <zoglesby> Okay 14:34:24 <randomuser> thanks 14:34:45 <randomuser> #topic Open floor discussion 14:35:06 <randomuser> what else is on your mind? 14:36:37 <grundblom> Hi everyone, I missed a lot due to the fire alarm... but I wanted to ask, do we work in the f25 branch or master branch 14:37:34 <randomuser> grundblom, work where you've been working. Ideally we would clear the old content out of the master branch before adding new stuff, but since you've already jumped ahead we've decided to go with it. pbokoc intends to delete the old content from the files. 14:38:07 <grundblom> randomuser roger that f25 it is 14:38:42 <pbokoc> grargh I hate IRC 14:38:58 <randomuser> grundblom, awesome work on the release notes, btw 14:39:15 <pbokoc> yeah, good job grundblom! 14:39:25 <grundblom> randomuser thanks! a friend turned me on to mechanical keyboards, and I cant stop myself... 14:39:30 <randomuser> hehe 14:39:38 <grundblom> pbokoc thank you! 14:39:45 <pbokoc> I can relate to that :) 14:39:55 <pbokoc> (he types on his Das Keyboard Model S) 14:40:30 <randomuser> mine is too noisy for work, I should get a brown switch kbd one of these days 14:40:56 <randomuser> also, I don't type all that proficiently and the extra noise would make that painfully obvious :P 14:41:12 <grundblom> pbokoc nice! mine is a used WASD V2 I am hoping to get a new one for my birthday with mx-clears 14:41:26 <pbokoc> screw that, get an IBM Model M - if anyone complains about the racket you can hit them over the head with it 14:41:27 <grundblom> but thank you, I am glad I am helping out! 14:41:40 <randomuser> buckling spring ftw! 14:41:53 <pbokoc> buckling spring and cranial fractures 14:42:22 <grundblom> oh about Wayland Support in f25, 14:42:29 <randomuser> it must be so fun to work with you, pbokoc 14:42:52 <grundblom> I emailed the people on the wiki about Wayland, but they havent gotten back to me, so until they do, I will just leave the blurb I have about it 14:43:07 <randomuser> grundblom, which wiki and people? 14:43:35 <grundblom> I shall find the link, just a second, 14:43:49 <grundblom> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandByDefault 14:43:56 <grundblom> mclasen@redhat.com rstrode@redhat.com ofourdan@redhat.com jadahl@redhat.com mchalupa@redhat.com 14:44:19 <pbokoc> damn, it *is* a change! 14:44:30 <randomuser> grundblom, you might try CCing desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org 14:44:30 <pkovar> might be a better idea asking in #fedora-desktop on gimpnet, grundblom 14:44:51 * randomuser notes this change is still not in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/25/ChangeSet 14:45:03 <grundblom> Great ideas, I shall do that 14:45:48 <randomuser> also, this is basically the F24 gdm-session-is-wayland change with the target release edited to be F25 14:46:15 <randomuser> they're recycling the previous release's change page; it isn't in the F25 summary because it is the F24 change 14:46:31 <pbokoc> f23 actually :)) https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Changes/WaylandByDefault&oldid=407859 14:46:37 <grundblom> Ah, I was wondering about that, if it was a not accepted change or something... 14:46:55 <randomuser> yeah, all that stuff was done last year 14:47:14 <pbokoc> randomuser, wait, so changes that get moved to the next release don't show up in that release's changeset? I thought they did 14:47:17 <randomuser> for this release, they're changing the default user login session, not just gdm 14:47:42 <randomuser> pbokoc, I'm suggesting that this was handled outside of the normal and expected process 14:49:52 <randomuser> however they've documented it on the wiki, the thing is happening 14:50:52 <randomuser> mclasen, fyi, we were just discussing the change to wayland sessions by default; it looks like you're reusing the f23 change page for gdm-wayland at https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Changes/WaylandByDefault without new content? 14:52:11 <randomuser> no, actually, the 'how to test' section does lead one to infer that we're now talking about a login session 14:53:23 <randomuser> any other thoughts for today, folks? 14:54:42 <grundblom> not for me, thanks you all, I have to go to my next meeting 14:54:48 <grundblom> er, thank you all 14:54:52 * grundblom waves 14:55:19 <randomuser> okay, I'm calling it 14:55:29 <randomuser> thanks for coming, all, see you around 14:55:32 <randomuser> #endmeeting