16:30:05 <jflory7> #startmeeting Fedora CommOps (2016-10-18)
16:30:05 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Oct 18 16:30:05 2016 UTC.  The chair is jflory7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:30:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_commops_(2016-10-18)'
16:30:13 <jflory7> #meetingname commops
16:30:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'commops'
16:30:17 <jflory7> #nick commops
16:30:23 <jflory7> #topic Agenda
16:30:29 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:CommOps_2016-10-18
16:30:35 <jflory7> #info (1) Roll Call / Q&A
16:30:37 <jflory7> #info (2) Announcements
16:30:41 <jflory7> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
16:30:45 <jflory7> #info (4) Tickets
16:30:49 <jflory7> #info (5) Community Blog
16:30:53 <jflory7> #info (6) Release Schedule
16:30:59 <jflory7> #info (7) Open Floor
16:31:07 <jflory7> #topic Roll Call / Q&A
16:31:09 <jflory7> #info Name; Timezone; Sub-projects/Interest Areas
16:31:15 <jflory7> #action commops New members, make sure you introduce yourself on the CommOps mailing list [ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps/Join ]
16:31:17 <bt0> Hello everyone o/
16:31:18 <jflory7> If this is your first time at a CommOps meeting, feel free to introduce yourself to everyone and say hello! If anyone has any questions before we get started with the rest of the agenda, now is also a good time to ask.
16:31:36 <jflory7> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC-4; CommOps, Magazine, Marketing, Ambassadors, Diversity Team, sysadmin-badges, and more
16:32:11 <bt0> #info Alberto Rodriguez; UTC-5;Commops,Stats, Education, and more
16:32:23 <jflory7> Greetings bt0 :)
16:32:25 <jflory7> #chair bt0
16:32:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 jflory7
16:32:33 <jflory7> I'll drop a ping in -commops.
16:32:42 <bt0> right
16:32:47 <mailga> #info mailga; timezone Europe/Rome; mktg/ambassadors and some others
16:34:16 <jflory7> Hey mailga!
16:34:18 <jflory7> #chair mailga
16:34:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 jflory7 mailga
16:34:38 <jflory7> Rhea: Over here :)
16:34:48 <FranciscoD> #info ankursinha; time\one Europe/London (UTC+1); join/packaging/random tasks
16:34:59 <mailga> hello jflory7 sometimes I can make it...
16:35:00 <Rhea> .hello rhea
16:35:01 <zodbot> Rhea: rhea 'None' <radka.janek@redhat.com>
16:35:02 <FranciscoD> er..zone, not \one..
16:35:03 <Rhea> NONE
16:35:05 <Rhea> again none
16:35:07 <Rhea> I'm not None!
16:35:11 <jflory7> mailga: Always glad to have you here. :)
16:35:13 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Hiya!
16:35:15 <Rhea> My name is Radka you little !@#$%^
16:35:19 <jflory7> #chair FranciscoD Rhea
16:35:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Rhea bt0 jflory7 mailga
16:35:21 * Rhea waves at everyone
16:35:34 <bt0> :D
16:36:01 * mailga waves to FranciscoD, I'm following your join-SIG news, don't worry....
16:36:07 <FranciscoD> Rhea: you haven't specified your name in FAS, have you?
16:36:13 <Rhea> I did
16:36:13 * FranciscoD pats zodbot
16:36:15 <Southern_Gentlem> Rhea, thats what it has in FAS
16:36:16 <Rhea> :<
16:36:16 <dhanesh95> #info Dhanesh B. Sabane, UTC+5:30, CommOps, Packaging, Python
16:36:25 <jflory7> Unless it's the privacy flag setting.
16:36:30 <FranciscoD> ah, yea, possible
16:36:37 <jflory7> Discovered that yesterday with moto-timo and his FAS account
16:36:39 <FranciscoD> hiya mailga jflory7 :)
16:36:40 <linuxmodder> .hello linuxmodder
16:36:41 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
16:37:00 <bt0> actually, the last week Rhea become a badge Rock Star :D
16:37:09 <dhanesh95> Aloha CommOps! o/
16:37:13 <Rhea> o.o
16:37:16 <bt0> o/
16:37:31 <jflory7> dhanesh95: Hiya!
16:37:35 <jflory7> bt0: I noticed the same :)
16:37:37 <jflory7> #chair dhanesh95 linuxmodder
16:37:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Rhea bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder mailga
16:37:39 <jflory7> Hey linuxmodder!
16:37:41 <Rhea> .hello rhea
16:37:42 <zodbot> Rhea: rhea 'Radka Janek' <radka.janek@redhat.com>
16:37:49 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  Southern_Gentlem  FranciscoD  howdy
16:37:49 <Rhea> holy shit really, privacy hides my name..
16:37:54 <adityakonarde> Hello everyone!
16:37:58 <Rhea> jflory7++
16:38:05 <linuxmodder> Rhea,  language pls
16:38:05 <dhanesh95> jflory7: Hiya!
16:38:08 <linuxmodder> and yes
16:38:29 <adityakonarde> #info Aditya Konarde; UTC +5:30; Fedora* Python
16:38:31 <jflory7> adityakonarde: Heyo, welcome!
16:38:36 <linuxmodder> privacy flag hides Name, email, GPG key info among other things
16:38:41 <dhanesh95> linuxmodder: o/
16:38:43 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder
16:38:44 <jflory7> adityakonarde: Ooh, drop the space before #info or else it won't get logged. :)
16:38:44 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
16:38:51 <adityakonarde> #info Aditya Konarde; UTC +5:30; Fedora* Python
16:38:53 <jflory7> I have my lunch now, so I'm ready :)
16:38:55 <jflory7> adityakonarde++
16:39:00 <jflory7> Let's get started!
16:39:09 <jflory7> #topic Announcements
16:39:14 <jflory7> #info === FUDCon LATAM ===
16:39:19 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-latam-2016-starts-today/
16:39:19 <adityakonarde> jflory7++
16:39:26 <jflory7> #info FUDCon LATAM ended last week. Fedora contributors from all around the globe flocked to Puno, Perú for speaker talks, workshops, and collaboration to advance Fedora and its Four Foundations. You can read more in the Community Blog post, and there should be event reports popping up soon.
16:39:32 <jflory7> #info === "Fedora 25 Supplementary Wallpapers: Vote now!" ===
16:39:37 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-25-wallpapers-vote-now/
16:39:43 <jflory7> #info Fedora 25 supplementary wallpaper elections are open! If you are CLA+1 in the Fedora Account System, you can participate in the election and vote for your favorite wallpapers to be included in the upcoming Fedora 25 release.
16:39:50 <jflory7> ^ get your votes in ASAP, and get a badge for it too :)
16:39:58 <FranciscoD> oooOOOOOOooo badge
16:39:58 <jflory7> #info === In the news: "Fedora 25 Beta Resets the Linux Performance Bar" ===
16:40:02 <jflory7> #link http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/83997.html
16:40:13 <jflory7> #info LinuxInsider covers some of the latest features and changes in the Fedora 25 Beta, and includes comments and a brief interview from mattdm. This article highlights many of the talking points generated in the past few weeks. It's clear they're making it easy for everyone to talk about what's new in Fedora 25!
16:40:15 <jflory7> eof
16:40:26 <FranciscoD> noice!
16:40:27 <jflory7> That's all the announcements I have to share. :) Anyone else have anything they would like to add?
16:40:30 <jflory7> meskarune: o/
16:40:34 <meskarune> \o
16:40:39 <jflory7> #chair meskarune
16:40:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Rhea bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder mailga meskarune
16:40:51 <meskarune> .hello meskarune
16:40:52 <dhanesh95> Nothing here jflory7
16:40:53 <FranciscoD> the wayland test day is worth mentioning - we got some great work done
16:40:53 <zodbot> meskarune: meskarune 'Dolores Portalatin' <meskarune@archwomen.org>
16:40:58 <linuxmodder> Updated F24 ISOs at  http://tinyurl.com/live-respins2
16:41:02 <adityakonarde> .hello adityakonarde
16:41:03 <meskarune> how do I add myself to the meeting?
16:41:04 <zodbot> adityakonarde: adityakonarde 'Aditya Konarde' <aditya.konarde@gmail.com>
16:41:11 <adityakonarde> meskarune, same question
16:41:16 <meskarune> :)
16:41:17 <jflory7> FranciscoD: I mentioned it last week in announcements, I think, but I would love any news on the results!
16:41:19 * Rhea waves at meskarune
16:41:23 <meskarune> \o
16:41:23 <linuxmodder> very useful for those seeing the gold >  dnf update  gui issues
16:41:31 <FranciscoD> hold on, fetching adam's post
16:41:35 <linuxmodder> .fas meskarune
16:41:36 <zodbot> linuxmodder: meskarune 'Dolores Portalatin' <meskarune@archwomen.org>
16:41:40 <jflory7> meskarune adityakonarde: Congrats, you are here, that's all that's needed. :)
16:41:43 <FranciscoD> https://www.happyassassin.net/2016/10/14/fedora-25-workstation-wayland-by-default-test-day-report/
16:41:50 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Oh, sweet!
16:41:55 <FranciscoD> jflory7: i think adityakonarde isn't in the chair list, is he?
16:42:00 <meskarune> wayland \o/
16:42:05 <jflory7> #info === Wayland Test Day results for F25 ===
16:42:10 <jflory7> #link https://www.happyassassin.net/2016/10/14/fedora-25-workstation-wayland-by-default-test-day-report/
16:42:16 <linuxmodder> FranciscoD, should he be?
16:42:33 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder: usually everyone is, so that they can use the zodbot commands
16:42:39 <jflory7> #info The Test Day analysis for Wayland in Fedora 25 Beta is up! Check it out to see how last week's testing wenty.
16:42:41 <jflory7> #undo
16:42:41 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by jflory7 at 16:42:39 : The Test Day analysis for Wayland in Fedora 25 Beta is up! Check it out to see how last week's testing wenty.
16:42:43 <jflory7> #info The Test Day analysis for Wayland in Fedora 25 Beta is up! Check it out to see how last week's testing went.
16:42:45 <linuxmodder> #chair meskarune  adityakonarde
16:42:45 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Rhea adityakonarde bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder mailga meskarune
16:42:56 <FranciscoD> (jflory7 is the only one that actually charis the meeting)
16:42:58 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Ah, whoops, I did miss a nick. Thanks linuxmodder!
16:43:00 <FranciscoD> chairs
16:43:05 <FranciscoD> bah, can't type today
16:43:12 <adityakonarde> linuxmodder, I thought being in the chairs was like the attendance :P
16:43:16 <linuxmodder> FranciscoD,  not in all groups hence my ?
16:43:18 <jflory7> It happens. :) No worries.
16:43:23 <FranciscoD> linuxmodder: yea, no worries :)
16:43:26 <linuxmodder> adityakonarde,  in some groups not all
16:43:35 <jflory7> I chair people who are sponsored into the FAS group is how I do it - but some groups do it differently than others.
16:43:39 <adityakonarde> jflory7, link for the test day analysis?
16:43:47 <jflory7> adityakonarde: See above. :)
16:43:52 <jflory7> Announcements, going once...
16:43:55 <adityakonarde> I'll remember that jflory7 linuxmodder :)
16:44:00 <linuxmodder> adityakonarde,  https://www.happyassassin.net/2016/10/14/fedora-25-workstation-wayland-by-default-test-day-report/
16:44:02 <jflory7> Going twice...
16:44:07 <jflory7> Going thrice...
16:44:10 <linuxmodder> Updated F24 ISOs at  http://tinyurl.com/live-respins2
16:44:13 <jflory7> #topic Action items from last meeting
16:44:21 <jflory7> linuxmodder++
16:44:21 <jflory7> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-10-11/commops.2016-10-11-16.30.html
16:44:23 <linuxmodder> very useful if oyu hit a gui update snag
16:44:27 <jflory7> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
16:44:34 <jflory7> #info === [COMPLETE] jflory7 Promote Outreachy article on social media channels for final week of applications ===
16:44:42 <jflory7> #info === skamath Follow up with Infrastructure team on fas=>bz email lookup rules and whether a fix can be made to gracefully handle failed lookups ===
16:44:55 <jflory7> I don't believe skamath is with us today, so we'll have to follow up later on this one.
16:45:03 <jflory7> #info skamath not present, will follow up next week
16:45:11 <jflory7> #action skamath Follow up with Infrastructure team on fas=>bz email lookup rules and whether a fix can be made to gracefully handle failed lookups
16:45:13 <jflory7> #nick skamath
16:45:21 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 File ticket for looking into centralizing / making more clear what a member of Council or FESCo does, what their responsibilities are, and centralize the info in a wiki page or CommBlog article ===
16:45:24 <meskarune> you could maybe just email them
16:45:33 <jflory7> #action jflory7 File ticket for looking into centralizing / making more clear what a member of Council or FESCo does, what their responsibilities are, and centralize the info in a wiki page or CommBlog article
16:45:36 <meskarune> so even if they can't make a meeting at least you know status updates
16:45:49 <jflory7> Yeah, I will do that - I think he's been pretty wrapped up with exams these past few weeks too
16:46:00 <meskarune> yeah, makes sense
16:46:06 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Reach out to skamath about Infrastructure / Bugzilla+FAS lookup rules
16:46:17 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Begin drafting a Community Blog post for Fedora Appreciation Day ===
16:46:22 <jflory7> # jflory7 Begin drafting a Community Blog post for Fedora Appreciation Day
16:46:25 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Begin drafting a Community Blog post for Fedora Appreciation Day
16:46:31 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Post to the mailing list about selecting a new sub-project to work with on the on-boarding process ===
16:46:37 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Post to the mailing list about selecting a new sub-project to work with on the on-boarding process
16:46:44 <jflory7> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 Open up discussion about Fedora Appreciation Day date on the mailing list ===
16:46:50 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Open up discussion about Fedora Appreciation Day date on the mailing list
16:46:58 <jflory7> Speaking of exams... :P
16:46:58 <linuxmodder> how many ob=nboarding proccesses are there now?
16:46:58 <jflory7> #info === [COMPLETE] jflory7 Create initial wiki page for EDU talking points, share in ticket ===
16:47:04 <jflory7> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/University_Involvement_Initiative/Talking_points
16:47:15 <jflory7> #info === skamath open a new ticket with information about g11n onboarding with inputs from pravins ===
16:47:24 * mailga thinks jflory7 is forgetting FAmSCo/FOSCo/G11n steering committee... :-D
16:47:33 <jflory7> #info jflory7 will also follow-up with skamath via email on this one
16:47:34 <jflory7> eof
16:47:38 <jflory7> linuxmodder: How do you mean?
16:47:45 <FranciscoD> ws commops
16:47:47 <jflory7> mailga: What did I forget?
16:47:48 <linuxmodder> nvm  will ask offline
16:47:51 <FranciscoD> (sorry)
16:48:13 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Okay, sounds good.
16:48:46 <mailga> jflory7: about cetralizing bodies jobs
16:48:57 <dhanesh95> EDU! Eagerly waiting for it to start
16:49:00 <jflory7> mailga: Hmm, not sure I'm following on the context. You mean an announcement?
16:49:17 <jflory7> I wasn't aware of any new steering committee meeting with regards to FOSCo.
16:49:28 <jflory7> But I have been behind on FAmSCo minutes as of late.
16:49:52 <mailga> jflory #info === [INCOMPLETE] jflory7 File ticket for looking into centralizing / making more clear what a member of Council or FESCo does, what     │ c0mrad3_
16:49:53 <mailga> 24.#fedora-meeting-3  │                          │ their responsibilities are, and centralize the info in a wiki page or CommBlog article ===s
16:50:01 <jflory7> (Acronym for anyone who doesn't know, FAmSCo = Fedora Ambassador Steering Committee, FOSCo = Fedora Outreach Steering Committee
16:50:13 <jflory7> mailga: Ahhh! Now I see. Yes, that should be included too. I will be sure to include that too.
16:50:18 <mailga> more or less (sorry for copy/paste)
16:50:21 <jflory7> mailga: Thanks for bringing that up, actually
16:50:28 <jflory7> mailga++
16:51:02 <mailga> jflory7: it was almost a joke, I wanna see you explaining FAmSCo/FOSCo duties.... :-D
16:51:15 <jflory7> Okay, that was all the action items. I'm running a little behind, but I have my last midterm tomorrow, so I should be in the clear again soon
16:51:22 <jflory7> mailga: Heheh, I see how it is ;)
16:51:26 <jflory7> #topic Tickets
16:51:33 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issues?tags=meeting
16:51:45 <jflory7> I didn't update the agenda for this section on the wiki, but I did triage tickets this morning.
16:52:10 <meskarune> maybe you can have a staff page
16:52:11 <jflory7> #info === Ticket #34, 48 ===
16:52:20 <meskarune> and it can link to profiles on the wiki
16:52:39 <jflory7> meskarune: What do you mean, like people of CommOps, or something else?
16:52:43 <meskarune> like person in charge of comops can have a link to their profile and a link to the compops page
16:52:53 <jflory7> #info "[Onboarding Series] [MASTER TICKET] Creating sub-project on-boarding badge series; Marketing"
16:53:01 <jflory7> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/34
16:53:04 <jflory7> https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/48
16:53:11 <meskarune> jflory7: in the ticket on centralizing council and what members do
16:53:33 <meskarune> you guys have fas accounts and wiki profile pages so you could use that information to help construct a list
16:53:33 <jflory7> meskarune: I see. Yeah, this would make sense.
16:53:43 * jflory7 adds an annotation to his Taskwarrior to-do list
16:53:50 <meskarune> and the things people do should already be in the wiki describing projects in fedora
16:53:52 <FranciscoD> wont the hubs manage all this once they're deployed?
16:53:56 <meskarune> and if they aren't, they should be added
16:54:09 <meskarune> FranciscoD: most likely
16:54:18 <meskarune> when is hubs due to launch officially?
16:54:44 <FranciscoD> I'm not aware of a timeline personally - but I know it's under heavy development
16:54:52 <jflory7> meskarune: I think the motivation for this was a clear understanding of roles and responsibilities with regards to elections. There is likely some miscommunication about what the roles are responsible for, particularly in some of the engineering positions which have had low interest, but clearly communicating this info might encourage more people to run.
16:55:06 <jflory7> Hubs will definitely help, but the talking points for this action will still be helpful.
16:55:06 * mailga thinks his wikipage is out of date, and he has no time at all to update.
16:55:19 <jflory7> Anyways, with regards to this ticket (I'm glad we have a marketing representative here too)
16:55:43 <jflory7> #info Last week, we agreed that one of the two new sub-projects we would help focus on to review the on-boarding process was Marketing.
16:55:55 <FranciscoD> https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/ - for those that want to keep up with hubs development
16:56:18 <jflory7> As a member of the Marketing sub-project as well, I can think of some places where improvement to the on-boarding process could definitely be made, and I'm inclined to think mailga would agree.
16:56:35 <meskarune> yeah, having pages on jobs and responsibilities sounds like a good idea, and will def make onboarding for those positions easier
16:56:45 <jflory7> meskarune++
16:56:50 <mailga> jflory7: how many + can I type?
16:56:55 <jflory7> ;)
16:57:01 <meskarune> mailga: ++++++++++
16:57:03 <meskarune> hehe
16:57:10 <adityakonarde> FranciscoD++
16:57:13 <mailga> meskarune: :-D
16:57:32 <jflory7> Also, unlike with G11n, which we will need some outside perspective on from members outside of CommOps, Marketing is one that has a few member overlap with CommOps
16:57:48 <jflory7> So hopefully we should be able to work on this one at a quicker rate than some of the other sub-projects.
16:57:49 <mailga> a similar page is online https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks_and_roles if is what you mean.
16:58:08 <jflory7> I think the best way to get through this is to identify (1) the problems, and (2) begin brainstorming any solutions.
16:58:28 <jflory7> I'm going to fire from the hip a little bit, but here's some of my thoughts on what the issues or areas of improvement for Marketing could be:
16:58:42 <jflory7> (It's a little deeper than just clearly marking a path for this one)
16:58:44 * mailga thinks commops is the FOSCo (with some limitations, at the moment)......
16:59:00 <jflory7> #info === Problems / issues within Marketing ===
16:59:28 <bexelbie> mailga, we should probably put this on the commops agenda after tomorrow
16:59:32 <jflory7> #idea It is unclear what kind of tasks Marketing is working on during a release cycle and how to participate. They are not clearly defined in many places (and some places that have info are outdated).
16:59:52 * mailga waves to bexelbie
17:00:20 <jflory7> #idea The tasks that are highly visible can be intimidating to a new contributor (e.g. contributing to the release announcement or creating talking points for editions and spins of Fedora, which requires a lot of cross-list communication and knowledge of where to go to find people in Fedora).
17:00:28 <jflory7> bexelbie: o/
17:00:31 <jflory7> #chair bexelbie
17:00:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD Rhea adityakonarde bexelbie bt0 dhanesh95 jflory7 linuxmodder mailga meskarune
17:01:15 <jflory7> #idea Many of the types of contributors in marketing come by in cycles. Some people will contribute for one, maybe two releases, and then they might drop off. Retainment is an issue, both with membership and leadership.
17:01:42 <jflory7> Also, mailga, feel free to add anything to this too as a much more experienced member of Marketing than me
17:01:52 * jflory7 imagines he might miss something
17:02:13 <mailga> jflory7: I'm just following, you're saying right things.
17:02:16 <Rhea> marketing - again youtube videos / livestreams to bring the fedora closer to people, to show the public a little bit of behind the scenes as well
17:02:51 <jflory7> #idea The actual on-boarding steps are simple and don't provide much of a chance for engagement. The on-boarding steps have someone introduce themselves on the mailing list, say hello in a meeting, and then that's it. It would be helpful to have more opportunities to engage new members with "easyfix" types of tasks. Or low-hanging fruit, whichever you prefer.
17:02:54 <Rhea> my idea is that it will both grab some users, and bring some contributors
17:03:33 <mailga> Rhea: these are ideas really cool, but we have to do this things ever, not for a release or two because of lack of people.
17:03:40 <Rhea> I still don't see any presence online like this...
17:03:45 <adityakonarde> +1 jflory7. Once a contributor has just joined the project, it would be helpful to get him/her started with an easyfix :)
17:03:47 <jflory7> #idea Because of the difficulty of engaging new members, it's difficult for Marketing to focus on non-essential tasks other than release announcements and talking points. If there were more communication about to contribute ideas, marketing could push to be more innovative to work with different media or campaigns to engage with new waves of users.
17:03:55 * FranciscoD notes that we do have a fedora videos SIG which is now not so active
17:04:03 <mailga> Rhea: we have a problem before....
17:04:13 <jflory7> These are all the "flaws / issues" I can think of - unless mailga wants to add something, we can jump straight to brainstorming.
17:04:45 <bt0> one easyfix is a awesome idea, parts like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork are outdated
17:04:49 <mailga> jflory7: go ahead, it's not time to ideas IMO. We just have to adjust mktg.
17:05:02 <jflory7> #info === Brainstorming ways to help resolve these problems ===
17:05:06 <FranciscoD> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Videos
17:05:21 <jflory7> mailga: I agree that adjustments will need to be made to Marketing. But I think this can be an overlap between CommOps and Marketing as well.
17:05:22 <adityakonarde> In short: Does fedora-marketing need more contributors to handle social media or create videos? I can help a little if it is so :)
17:06:09 <jflory7> Rhea: I am a big fan of using new media types like live streams and videos to engage with new contributors, especially younger audiences. It's a powerful way to reach out, but I believe the issue Marketing has is finding ways to enable new contributors who might want to do things like live stream with Fedora to have a way to make an impact like that.
17:06:16 <FranciscoD> videos aren't the easiest to make tbh - you need an idea, content, some sort of mixing and all that - they do have to meet certain standards if they'll go up on fedora channels etc
17:06:19 <meskarune> jflory7: havae you guys done a survey asking people what caused them to stop contributing?
17:06:27 <jflory7> adityakonarde: Agreed, easyfix tasks are a good way for someone to get their feet wet with a new task and progressively move to bigger tasks.
17:06:33 <mailga> jflory7: sure thing. But what is up to commops and what is up to mktg?
17:06:35 <FranciscoD> meskarune: not easy to get in touch with people that aren't active any more :/
17:06:40 <meskarune> other FOSS projects also seem to have high turn over and retainment issues
17:06:53 <jflory7> adityakonarde: I don't think social media is much of an issue as it is core marketing tasks.
17:07:01 <FranciscoD> but we've never done a survey - we rarely do surveys
17:07:12 <meskarune> FranciscoD: idk, I think it might be worth a try to contact some.
17:07:30 <FranciscoD> meskarune: it's a common issue everywhere - it's all voluntary - things crop up, people move on etc
17:07:40 <FranciscoD> meskarune: could be, yea, but I wouldn't expect much from it
17:07:41 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Videos aren't easy, but we could try putting some consideration into live streaming as a lower barrier. But my follow-up question is, how would we enable people who wish to contribute to marketing to help with this?
17:07:56 * jflory7 emphasizes the difference of this topic in "marketing tasks" and "how to bring people into marketing" :)
17:08:07 <jflory7> If you are interested in these things... we'd love to have your input over in Marketing ;)
17:08:15 <adityakonarde> :D
17:08:16 <mailga> jflory7: right, the core marketing task is provides a "long" term strategiy. Tools are the groups duties (related to the target).
17:08:19 <FranciscoD> well, videos suit people who have slightly more experience
17:08:42 <FranciscoD> they're real time, you need to know how to handle a session etc.
17:08:54 <FranciscoD> and they require some knowledge of video editing tools and such
17:09:15 <jflory7> meskarune: We don't have any kind of user survey. This could also be overlap with the Diversity Team with their plans to do a survey of all Fedora accounts and anyone who responds, but it wouldn't be specific to Marketing. mailga is reaching out to members of the FAS group who have not been active for some time and asking if they still wish to contribute. We could try to incorporate asking why they ended up leaving marketing here too.
17:09:21 <FranciscoD> So, I'd categorise videos under "slightly advanced" tasks.
17:09:52 <jflory7> I'm afraid we might receive the response, "I ran out of time", though, which is a difficult one to make improvements to (and to me, says that people are getting burnt out on too big of tasks, and we need to make smaller things that aren't as scary as say, a release announcement).
17:10:11 <Rhea> vid / live: in my experience live is MUCH easier because you just prepare for it and then run it. Done. Now on the other hand you have a video for which you prepare the same way to record it, then you run it, you dont find it perfect so you run it two more times, then you have to edit it up, etc etc...
17:10:16 <mailga> jflory7: +1
17:10:24 <Rhea> Hence why i keep pushing livestreaming rather than video...
17:10:32 <FranciscoD> the trick isn't to keep people long term - we have no hold over their personal lives and things. The trick is to ensure we have enough new folks to replace ones that leave
17:10:32 <Southern_Gentlem> jflory7, shouldnt commops be reaching out to all groups to see if they want questions in that survey?
17:10:34 <Rhea> Also I think that audience engagement is great
17:10:40 <meskarune> maybe its just that you guys mostly get college students and then when they start full time jobs and have families they don't have the free time anymore
17:10:43 <Rhea> To be able to ask people from audience
17:10:45 <jflory7> meskarune: Also, on the topic of retaining members, bee2502 did an *amazing* talk at Flock analyzing the life of a Fedora contributor (many, many contributors only stick around for three months, and she had interesting data to support this). I can provide a link after the meeting.
17:10:47 <FranciscoD> meskarune: ++
17:10:52 <FranciscoD> that's a major point
17:11:01 <Rhea> even for viewer later time who is watching recording of the live event, seeing people engaged is awesome
17:11:01 <meskarune> it could also be burnout
17:11:09 <meskarune> but its not possible to know without asking I guess
17:11:17 <FranciscoD> Rhea: I'm all for livestreaming, but that still suits people with some experience
17:11:40 <FranciscoD> You can hardly expect a complete newbie to host a live streaming session - they'll have neither the background, nor the info, nor the confidence in most cases
17:11:42 <meskarune> if people don't have time, I think the best thing to do is make micro-tasks and break things into 15 min
17:11:53 <meskarune> or even add the amount of time that something will take to tickets and such
17:11:57 <meskarune> so people can plan out better
17:12:01 <mailga> usually mktg is the starting point for contributing, easier than any other and relevant enough to open the main door in Fedora.
17:12:01 <jflory7> FranciscoD / Rhea: I'm a fan of livestreaming, but would it be a better idea then to provide topics or ideas for people to live stream on Fedora about as compared to giving someone the official Fedora keys? I would like to find ways we can enable people to make a first step into Marketing to become more active and engaged over time.
17:12:04 <adityakonarde> meskarune, +1. Most college students would focus on their full time job instead :)
17:12:13 <FranciscoD> jflory7: ++
17:12:35 <jflory7> meskarune: re: college students leaving Fedora after full-time job – I think this is a kind of question we would want to answer from the survey being constructed by the Diversity Team.
17:12:44 <FranciscoD> I know this is going to sound like repetition, but people that do it for the free software ideology rather than just to "contribute to a project" seem to stick around longer
17:12:50 <meskarune> yeah, I think thats a good idea jflory7
17:12:56 <meskarune> I like the live streaming idea too
17:13:09 <meskarune> it would be cool to watch someone install fedora and text chat while they do it
17:13:10 <jflory7> meskarune: Yes, micro-tasks is a good way of putting it. Our issue here is that marketing lacks those micro-tasks.
17:13:16 <meskarune> or watch someone edit a video on fedora, etc
17:13:21 <FranciscoD> all the long term friends I've made are still around because they're strong free software supporters - and so they make time for it
17:13:26 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: +1
17:13:49 <FranciscoD> (which is why you'll hear me harping on ideology/philosophy each time we discuss something..)
17:13:52 <Rhea> Yes livestream requires more experience and stuff, err... i used to act in theatre, sister has 4 titles around theatre / director, phd, etc... :D i can improvise nicely, I *used to* stream games for a year... (and some tiny code lectures)
17:13:55 <mailga> FranciscoD & jflory7 we could start the (remember the fedora-join idea?) fedora-join-day with mktg.
17:14:13 <Rhea> I would love to do this thing with fedora one day
17:14:17 <jflory7> mailga: To counter that same point, in my time in Fedora, I've also seen a fair number of people start in marketing and then drop off into no activity. So I think marketing can be a good "starter" group for people, but what about the people who engage for some time and then leave Fedora afterwards?
17:14:19 <meskarune> jflory7: if all tasks had a skill set and amount of time for them, you could even have an online form where someone puts in how much time they have and a skill and gets back a list of things they can contribute to
17:14:33 <FranciscoD> mailga: we'll discuss that on the join ML - we have to come up with a list of ideas now that we've confirmed our goals
17:14:46 <meskarune> there is a website like that for the linux kernel I believe
17:15:31 <jflory7> FranciscoD: I will agree and disagree with your point about people doing it for the sake of free software. Many of the people who are long-term do it for intrinsic reasons and for the "greater good", but I also can't name anyone who flew into a project and started doing all the things all at once. For marketing, our issue is that we do not have the resources or tools in place to help engage newcomers in a way where they will want to remain
17:15:31 <jflory7> active with the project and gain the motivation to contribute to free software. That connection is missing, in my opinion, within marketing.
17:15:33 <mailga> jflory7: mktg is a "dirty" job, when you see the various better place around here, you leave the group.
17:16:09 <jflory7> meskarune: I *really* like the idea of a form of some kind to rate skills
17:16:11 <FranciscoD> jflory7: really? I thought marketing was the most regular team, especially now with the fedmag around
17:16:13 * mailga meant not you jflory7 :-D
17:16:24 <FranciscoD> mktg doesn't need to wait for releases and related tasks
17:16:29 <meskarune> it will help people to contribute if they have a list to work off of
17:17:01 <FranciscoD> most teams function around a release plan - mktg functions all the time with a subset of tasks focussed on releases
17:17:06 <Rhea> To be honest i eprsonally dont think that people dont know what to contribute to... I doubt that people come and ask "i wanna do something, give me some job"
17:17:10 <Rhea> Do they? o.O
17:17:15 <jflory7> mailga: I will agree and disagree with that again. Sometimes that is the case, but marketing *is* a major type of career path and there is a group of people who have wanted to contribute to marketing because that's what they're familiar with and that's what they know. But marketing doesn't have the way to engage with those types of people and find ways to make them feel like they are contributing and their ideas can actually *do* something.
17:17:19 <bt0> some events can help, right now the FudCon latam improves the on boarding in the Spanish translation team
17:17:35 <Rhea> Everyone has an idea what they would like to do... at least the wide-area of interest
17:17:38 <jflory7> That is the problem that I'm seeing and I want to find ideas on how we can *enable people to feel like they are contributing* within marketing.
17:17:51 <FranciscoD> jflory7: got an example of such a task?
17:18:05 * FranciscoD isn't gathering this as well as he'd like to
17:18:35 <jflory7> FranciscoD: In my opinion, right now, it's one of the sub-projects with the least amount of people power and motivation. It may be core, but it's only core during the weeks leading up to a release, and then everything slows down very fast. But those are good times for us to be active and engaging.
17:18:47 <jflory7> Rhea: Exactly – that's the problem I want to try to address. Rhea++
17:18:55 <jflory7> I'm probably using too many words to explain that
17:19:10 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Even for me, it's hard to come up with ideas of "general" marketing tasks. *But*...
17:19:13 <mailga> honestly mktg is a very good place for people whi have fantasy and willing. Of course there are tasks to follow, but you can throw on the table all the ideas you have about advertising (for example). Take a look to the mail of mattdm https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/D5CAS6ANKJBH3V3FPSPS4JGUO4XT4IHF/ everyone can have one.
17:19:15 <meskarune> marketing could help with a lot of fedora event type things
17:19:40 <FranciscoD> I dont know much about mktg, but definition wise it seems to be "spreading the word". I thought fedmag, which is quite active, was doing just that..
17:19:45 <meskarune> like I bet they could be further invovled in stuff like bug cleanup days or speaking events
17:19:59 <mailga> meskarune: the problem is that mktg has not budget, and this is a brake IMHO.
17:20:02 <meskarune> mabye more subprojects need to reach out to them
17:20:02 <jflory7> When it's in the context of a smaller campaign and ways people can have an impact, I think of "Fedora <3 Python". That's a marketing campaign that's active within the project. We could use people to create talking points for Ambassadors specific to that campaign. Ideas on how we better engage with the audience we're trying to make an impact with.
17:20:22 <meskarune> mailga: I mean, doing social media marketing doesn't cost money, just time
17:20:31 <jflory7> meskarune: Yes, definitely – and we have tools to help us like social media, Fedora Magazine, CommBlog, but not as much of a strategy for using those tools (right now, we just kind of do it as we go)
17:20:42 <meskarune> they can make a digital flyer for an event and throw it up on social media
17:20:48 <FranciscoD> meskarune: +1 - maybe the problem stems from the fact that not enough marketing team members also work for other teams?
17:20:57 <mailga> jflory7: that's the point, the strategies.
17:21:04 <meskarune> maybe marketing needs to have reps on every other team?
17:21:06 <FranciscoD> meskarune: I belive release party fliers etc are done by the design team
17:21:11 <FranciscoD> meskarune: ++
17:21:17 <meskarune> that way all their members have something important to do
17:21:27 <jflory7> mailga: mattdm's thread is an *excellent* idea. I haven't had the chance to go through it all yet but it is exactly what I mean by saying a campaign
17:21:28 <meskarune> and more fedora projects get the word out about what they are doing
17:21:58 <FranciscoD> (keep in mind that any artwork needs to ensure it follows the logo guidelines etc., which is why the design team takes that up)
17:22:05 <jflory7> This is also where having a deeper understanding of marketing would be helpful – I've never had any professional experience with marketing outside of Fedora and it's an area I contribute to out of creativity, not professional background
17:22:23 <meskarune> each subproject could have a month where they highlight the awesome stuff they do
17:22:36 <jflory7> FranciscoD: That could be a possibility for some of the new people who join (not being involved elsewhere). A lot of the people who I see first contribute to marketing and later depart don't engage with other teams.
17:22:36 * FranciscoD isnt sure any one of the mktg folks are pros
17:22:39 <meskarune> or a week each year
17:22:41 <mailga> jflory7: that's the "howto" simplified on how an idea will become a strategy.
17:23:05 <FranciscoD> jflory7: that's just the overview issue we discussed last time then - don't chuck them to a team straight away, let them see how things fit in first
17:23:25 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Some people come directly *to* Marketing, though, and they know that's where they want to contribute.
17:23:55 <jflory7> Hmm, okay, I want to try to wrap this up into solutions we can try researching or pursuing more beyond the meeting...
17:23:56 <FranciscoD> yea, but given that marketing requires something to market, I dont see how *only* working in mktg without having any idea of any other project can work
17:24:06 <FranciscoD> you've got to know what's going on to be able to market it
17:24:09 * jflory7 tries to think of points we can tie this discussion into for things we want to pursue within marketing on-boarding
17:24:15 <Rhea> Collecting these ideas, what I'm missing in Fedora is indeed some video related social media presence... Nice presentations, how-to series, then another series about contributors, etc... these could be e.g. every other week, one week some kind of how-to or tip/trick, another week something about some contributors group with interviews and stuff...
17:24:29 <Rhea> These could be simply livestreamed and archived too.
17:24:34 * linuxmodder is sorry got sidetracked with a walkin  reading scroolback
17:24:42 <jflory7> #idea Working more closely with other groups like Join SIG to engage newcomers in Marketing with other areas in the project to see if there are other areas they might be interested in (community, development, etc.)
17:24:56 <dhanesh95> !
17:25:10 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  that wording is kinda iffy
17:25:12 <jflory7> #idea Each subproject could have a month to highlight awesome things they do (meskarune) - example tasks could be reaching out to project leads to gather those points and write an article
17:25:18 <FranciscoD> jflory7: how about something like a "marketing pipe line" - set up a process that permits other teams to contact mktg for help
17:25:20 <Rhea> Please throw a shoe at me if it makes no sense what I'm saying
17:25:32 <FranciscoD> a proper process, not the way we have it now - join the ML and speak to us
17:26:07 <FranciscoD> someone from the mktg takes up a request, goes out to the team and collects the required info, then discusses with rest of mktg what needs to be done and so on
17:26:12 * FranciscoD remembers this being discussed somewhere
17:26:21 <meskarune> a template for proposals or something would be cool
17:26:23 <jflory7> Rhea: Would providing ideas to enable people to do video coverage of Fedora be helpful? These are great ideas for things people could help with, but I'm curious to know we could engage someone with streaming or media experience (say like you!) to want to create some kind of content about Fedora and how we could help people do that.
17:26:30 <mailga> Rhea: I don't think this is a mktg target, this is a mktg tool to reach targets; and I'm not sure is also a mktg duty; just like design are doing, the video, socials and so on makers will support mktg.
17:26:31 <jflory7> dhanesh95: Jump right in. :)
17:26:32 <FranciscoD> i think it was a townhall years ago where we discussed having a pipeline to permit teams to communicate
17:26:39 <FranciscoD> wait, no that's what fosco is for, isnt it?
17:26:49 <jflory7> dhanesh95: We're def shooting from the hip right now, so feel free to add an idea in–
17:26:56 <Rhea> yes mailga
17:27:06 <jflory7> Although I would like to try wrapping this up into key points since we're down to just 30 minutes now. ;)
17:27:16 <dhanesh95> Everything I have read till now boils down to making all the contributors feel that they are doing something valuable.. Has anyone heard of Firefox Friends? Maybe Fedora can implement something of the same type
17:27:28 <meskarune> marketing could also get contacts in the larger linux blog/podcast world, so they have people they can share news with and get it reported
17:27:30 <adityakonarde> will have to catch up later with the logs. Have my Cloud Computing exam tomorrow. Cya all around! ;)
17:27:31 <jflory7> #idea Improvements to the on-boarding process beyond an introduction on the mailing list and meeting
17:27:32 <meskarune> like maybe jupiter media
17:27:38 <jflory7> adityakonarde: See you around!
17:27:44 <jflory7> dhanesh95: How does Firefox Friends do it?
17:27:52 <jflory7> meskarune: Template for proposals for what?
17:28:07 <linuxmodder> dhanesh95,  Firefox Friends would be a bit hard to do as is
17:28:20 <Rhea> jflory7: yes, e.g. "how i use fedora" articles... make them into videos, interviews, footage, example work...
17:28:22 <meskarune> like say diverity is having an event, and they want someone to write up about it so they send some sort of request to marketing
17:28:32 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  its mostly like ambassadors *USED* to be
17:28:33 <jflory7> #idea Better communicating existing contacts in media and how to convey Fedora news to them in a professional but curt way (as a newcomer or intermediate task??)
17:28:54 <jflory7> FranciscoD: I think FOSCo / CommOps are the best bodies to accomplish this now.
17:29:03 <dhanesh95> jflory7: They used to provide posts related to Firefox and contributors can share those on social media
17:29:06 <meskarune> with a template marketing can set down the specific information they want and quickly / easily make news stories
17:29:08 <linuxmodder> dhanesh95,  however i like the idea
17:29:24 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: isnt that what mktg does already?
17:29:25 <jflory7> dhanesh95: So better highlighting things people can share on social media?
17:29:35 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  it would essentially be a meshing of  ambassadors + askforums in one
17:29:38 <dhanesh95> linuxmodder: Not as is, but something that complements the Fedora Project
17:29:48 <jflory7> We could try to consolidate our social media presence on something like a wiki page but maybe there's a more effective way of doing that
17:29:57 * linuxmodder is also a mozillian
17:30:09 <jflory7> linuxmodder: Ambassadors + AskFedora for what?
17:30:13 <FranciscoD> jflory7: you mean like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks ?
17:30:14 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: I'm talking about an individual contributor
17:30:20 <mailga> jflory7: most of the topics here were reached yet (as said) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Tasks_and_roles but never maintained.
17:30:21 <linuxmodder> jflory7,  how Firefox Friends works
17:30:46 <FranciscoD> dhanesh95: outside fedora, you mean?
17:30:47 <jflory7> meskarune: Ahh, so a template for how to share Fedora-y things? Sorry if I'm not following correctly. I think I see the direction you're hinting at and I do like where it's going
17:30:58 <jflory7> FranciscoD: lolol. Probably.
17:31:18 <jflory7> #idea Better ways to communicate our social media presence to engage newcomers to then engage with us on social platforms?
17:31:21 <linuxmodder> FranciscoD, no as in offering ways to communicate like ambassadors do now but with the forums and mktg aspects
17:31:23 <dhanesh95> FranciscoD: No.. linuxmodder can you please explain him? :P
17:31:25 <jflory7> linuxmodder: I see, got it.
17:31:51 <jflory7> mailga: I likely need to give that page a full read versus a skim
17:32:01 <FranciscoD> i think my brains stopped working now XD
17:32:12 <meskarune> jflory7: FranciscoD mentioned that maybe marketing could have a process for teams contacting marketing for articles
17:32:17 <jflory7> #idea Breaking down the "Tasks and roles" wiki page into better communicated roles and smaller tasks (low-hanging fruit) to engage new contributors
17:32:23 <FranciscoD> It's time I left - gotta cycle back home. I'll read the logs and chime in :)
17:32:28 <FranciscoD> have a good meeting :)
17:32:29 <meskarune> \o
17:32:31 <dhanesh95> Firefox Friends had stats and every month, the contributor with the most social impact used to get some swag
17:32:34 * FranciscoD heads off into the darkness
17:32:45 <jflory7> FranciscoD: Alrighty, see ya around! Thanks for stopping in. :)
17:33:08 <jflory7> dhanesh95: I see... so tying that back in, is this supposed to be a way to enable marketing contributors to feel like they're having an impact?
17:33:11 * Rhea waves at FranciscoD
17:33:18 <dhanesh95> jflory7: Yes
17:33:26 <jflory7> Oh no
17:33:29 <jflory7> Net split...
17:34:09 <mailga> FranciscoD: I don't have any brain..... :-D see you soon mate!
17:34:12 <jflory7> dhanesh95: My concerns with that are possibly demotivating other contributors with real swag (since it's a small team), but also the budget concerns mailga mentioned
17:34:27 <jflory7> Marketing essentially has $0 budget, but if we had a plan we could propose something to the Council
17:34:33 <jflory7> But I think it would be too soon
17:34:49 <jflory7> Rhea: I knew I missed a point from you
17:35:02 <dhanesh95> jflory7: I'm not indicating that Marketing should give away swag.. But recognition and a badge should do
17:35:10 <mailga> jflory7: +1 there are not better sons than others here.
17:35:18 <jflory7> #idea "How I use Fedora" talking points / articles... make them into videos, interviews, footage, example work that people could share on their channels or platforms
17:35:45 <Rhea> that
17:35:47 <Rhea> o.o
17:35:48 <jflory7> dhanesh95: A badge would be a good way to bring people into the team initially, but my concern (unlike other teams) is just providing people who want to get involved a direction once they get there.
17:35:58 * jflory7 nods to mailga
17:36:11 <jflory7> #idea Eventually create a badge for members of the FAS group
17:36:14 <jflory7> Okay...
17:36:26 <mailga> jflory7: what about trying to reach any online magazine (or similar) with a "press office" like real companies?
17:36:32 <dhanesh95> jflory7: *wontfix*? :P
17:36:32 <Rhea> Like someone who uses fedora in unique way could make a video - or rather, get in touch with us and we interview them, grab some footage of how they work on fedora, maybe have video-interview... if it's nearby i'd even walk with them in a park with 3rd person doing the camera work and interview them in person...
17:36:43 <Rhea> Like real good piece
17:36:44 <jflory7> mailga: Hmmm... continue... :)
17:36:58 <jflory7> dhanesh95: No, a badge is definitely important. But I would call that a final or last step.
17:37:26 <jflory7> Rhea: Marketing's current problem is that we don't have a person who would be able to handle the video production or interview.
17:37:28 <Rhea> (do we have anything else on-the-list for today?)
17:37:32 <jflory7> Granted if we had the person, I would love to do that.
17:37:48 <mailga> jflory7: my idea is to set up a press office that day after day will get in touch with some press in order to have spaces in their magazine. It's politics...
17:37:52 * dhanesh95 checks the time
17:37:53 <Rhea> jflory7: don't make me go and file the application
17:37:54 <Rhea> :D
17:38:19 <jflory7> Rhea: We had one other big ticket (EDU talking points), but I'm not sure we'll have much time. This might be our one ticket for today but I'll feel good about if we can come up ideas to dig deeper into for improving. I think we're doing a good job of capturing some of these so far.
17:39:03 <jflory7> mailga: Ahh, so essentially kind of like a news distribution team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but like this?
17:39:03 <jflory7> [13:28:33] <jflory7> #idea Better communicating existing contacts in media and how to convey Fedora news to them in a professional but curt way (as a newcomer or intermediate task??)
17:39:36 <mailga> jflory7: in the longterm we will have friends in the magazines.... Yes, more or less.
17:39:39 <jflory7> Rhea: A video person could definitely be a useful role in marketing, although we don't have any ways to help someone interested in that get started. But... that's kind of what we're discussing now. :)
17:39:46 <jflory7> dhanesh95: Ouch. Yeah, we probably need to wrap up here.
17:39:51 * jflory7 nods to mailga
17:40:08 <jflory7> Okay, so to summarize all of this...
17:40:18 <meskarune> jflory7: if you guys can't do video it might be possible to have podcasts too. I know I like to listen to podcasts while I'm on the bus or doing laundry
17:40:20 <jflory7> We have a bunch of #ideas logged on the problems Marketing faces and some of the ways we can try to solve these.
17:40:25 <mailga> jflory7: if you're able to summarize... :-D
17:40:47 <jflory7> I think the best next action might be to lay out this ideas in a ticket with mock implementations of how we might do them
17:41:04 <jflory7> That will be a big task, but I think this is something I can help coordinate and actually do it in a timely way before the next meeting
17:41:12 <jflory7> meskarune: Podcasts are def a possibility here too
17:41:33 <dhanesh95> Podcasts++
17:41:35 <jflory7> #idea Podcasting as a maybe lower barrier way of doing things like interviews (see: Chris Ward's interviews with Fedora contributors on SoundCloud)
17:41:36 <Rhea> I'm gonna sign up for something like video person - as far as livestream / podcast or similar stuff goes...
17:41:58 <Rhea> (if i get my voice back, im still mute)
17:42:00 <jflory7> I'm going to tentatively action myself now to take these ideas and turn them into something more digestable than IRC logs
17:42:10 <jflory7> Rhea: No worries, I anticipate this being something that will take time
17:42:34 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Take the discussion points from today's meeting, lay out the earlier problems, expand on solutions, and try to offer mock implementations in the Marketing ticket
17:42:42 <meskarune> maybe you guys should use a riseup pad during meetings to take notes while discussion is happenign :)
17:42:42 <jflory7> That's gonna be a big action, lol
17:42:56 <jflory7> meskarune: Yeah, maybe so, this is definitely a lot
17:43:03 <jflory7> The minutes will help when they're notated
17:43:05 <jflory7> But it's still a lot
17:43:11 <meskarune> yeah for sure
17:43:16 <jflory7> Anyways... I feel like this topic is good.
17:43:19 <meskarune> jflory7: do you have someone helping you??
17:43:21 <jflory7> Plus we have 15 minutes left anyways.
17:43:31 <meskarune> I think before decause and you were splitting a lot of things
17:43:41 <jflory7> meskarune: You mean like a full-time Red Hatter? Not since decause_ left.
17:43:59 <meskarune> I see, maybe its time to put in a little effort to get a few folks :)
17:44:10 <jflory7> Maybe hoping bexelbie shows up to some meetings once his travel spree wraps up soon. :)
17:44:16 <meskarune> hehe
17:44:21 <dhanesh95> Here to help jflory7, if you need any
17:44:23 <meskarune> I'll try and be more active as well
17:44:30 <jflory7> meskarune: Definitely agreed - there are plenty of folks here too. :) But I do completely agree that I could be doing a better job of spreading some weight.
17:44:31 <meskarune> I just had a really hectic last few months
17:44:40 <jflory7> I've definitely identified that since the semester started
17:44:52 <jflory7> Heh, yeah, so I've seen. :)
17:44:59 <jflory7> Glad to have you back with us by the way. :)
17:45:06 <meskarune> mabye marketing can post some "we want YOU for fedora comops!" stuff :P
17:45:08 <jflory7> dhanesh95++ That is definitely appreciated. :)
17:45:38 <jflory7> meskarune: lolol, that would be nice. There's some initiatives pointing newcomers towards us too, so I'm hoping to find ways to handle that too along with the rest of the crew we have. :)
17:45:50 <jflory7> Anyways, we'll skip the rest of the tickets and carry out the last few bits of the meeting.
17:45:54 <meskarune> kk
17:46:00 <mailga> meskarune: only after a "we want YOU for fedora mktg" :-D
17:46:10 <meskarune> haha
17:46:26 <jflory7> #info Out of time for covering more tickets, but today's discussion was deep and for the longer-term analysis for growth and retainment strategies of the Marketing sub-project
17:46:27 <jflory7> mailga++
17:46:44 <jflory7> #topic Community Blog
17:46:47 <mailga> jflory7: you have no more cookies for me....
17:46:53 <jflory7> #info How This Works: There is a quick blast of information about what was published in the past week with some metrics, followed by posts that are being drafted. After the information blast, the floor is opened for any Community Blog-related discussion. Here we go!
17:47:02 <jflory7> mailga: We tend to run out of cookies really fast in CommOps :)
17:47:08 <jflory7> #info === This Week in CommBlog ===
17:47:14 <jflory7> #info (1) "Wayland By Default Test Day 2016-10-13"
17:47:16 <mailga> jflory7: I see.... :-D
17:47:20 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wayland-default-test-day/
17:47:24 <jflory7> #info Total Views (Oct. 13 - present): ~705
17:47:29 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=post&post=2705
17:47:44 <jflory7> I use the ~ now as an estimate - Jetpack is still not showing stats as it used to
17:47:48 <jflory7> #info (2) "FUDCon LATAM 2016 starts today!"
17:47:53 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fudcon-latam-2016-starts-today/
17:47:59 <jflory7> #info Total Views (Oct. 13 - present): ~131
17:48:00 <Rhea> meskarune++ mailga++ dhanesh95++
17:48:04 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=post&post=2684
17:48:07 <Rhea> or not
17:48:12 <jflory7> #info (3) "Fedora 25 Supplementary Wallpapers: Vote now!"
17:48:17 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-25-wallpapers-vote-now/
17:48:21 <jflory7> #info Total Views (Oct. 14 - present): ~947
17:48:25 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=post&post=2694
17:48:34 <jflory7> Rhea: See, now you have the same problem the rest of us have :D
17:48:39 <jflory7> #info === Coming Up in CommBlog ===
17:48:43 <Rhea> sniff sniff
17:48:44 <jflory7> #info (1) "Migration from Trac"
17:48:49 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2520&preview=1&_ppp=c5225abdbf
17:48:54 <jflory7> #info (2) "FLOCK Stories 2016 Episode 001 - Redon Skikuli"
17:48:58 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2728&preview=1&_ppp=cfb696c3cd
17:49:06 <jflory7> ^^ **speaking of podcasts**
17:49:11 <jflory7> #info (3) "Fedora at LinuxCon Europe 2016"
17:49:15 <jflory7> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=2781&preview=1&_ppp=fa46b32133
17:49:18 <jflory7> eof
17:49:38 <jflory7> #action jflory7 Process and review pending Community Blog articles for publishing
17:49:47 <jflory7> #topic Release Schedule
17:50:13 <jflory7> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-key-tasks.html
17:50:39 <jflory7> #info (1) Final Freeze (Tue 2016-11-01, 00:00 UTC)
17:50:52 <jflory7> #info (2) Final Release Public Availability (GA) (Tue 2016-11-15)
17:51:07 <jflory7> #info (3) Fedora 22 EOL auto closure (Tue 2016-12-13)
17:51:14 <jflory7> #topic Open Floor
17:51:16 <jflory7> Okay... phew.
17:51:18 <jflory7> We made it.
17:51:20 <jflory7> :)
17:51:28 <jflory7> 9 minutes to spare... anyone have anything they want to bring up or discuss here?
17:51:37 <jflory7> Thank you everyone for your enthusiasm and energy today
17:51:41 <jflory7> It is super motivating as always
17:52:20 <jflory7> .thank FranciscoD
17:52:20 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks FranciscoD is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to FranciscoD++ also)
17:52:25 <jflory7> .thank Rhea
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17:52:30 <jflory7> .thank adityakonarde
17:52:30 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks adityakonarde is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to adityakonarde++ also)
17:52:35 <jflory7> .thank bexelbie
17:52:35 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks bexelbie is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bexelbie++ also)
17:52:40 <jflory7> .thank bt0
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17:52:43 <dhanesh95> .thank jflory7
17:52:43 <zodbot> dhanesh95 thinks jflory7 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jflory7++ also)
17:52:45 <jflory7> .thank dhanesh95
17:52:45 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks dhanesh95 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to dhanesh95++ also)
17:52:46 <Rhea> x.x
17:52:48 <jflory7> .thank linuxmodder mailga meskarune
17:52:51 <zodbot> jflory7 thinks linuxmodder mailga meskarune is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to linuxmodder mailga meskarune++ also)
17:53:00 <jflory7> Oops, my copypaste strategy was exposed. :P
17:53:06 <jflory7> But seriously, thank you all :)
17:53:08 <bt0> .thank jflory7
17:53:08 <zodbot> bt0 thinks jflory7 is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jflory7++ also)
17:53:20 <dhanesh95> jflory7++
17:53:28 <jflory7> :)
17:53:28 <Rhea> Justin, thank you for all the hard work, maybe it's not much but I really appreciate and wish more people would know about our awesome contributors like you :]
17:53:29 <dhanesh95> CommOps++
17:53:29 <mailga> jflory7: if you are seeking for someone to share your duties and/or tasks cosider me onboard.
17:53:51 <jflory7> Rhea: I do appreciate the kind words. :)
17:53:54 <dhanesh95> Same here ^^
17:53:55 <jflory7> commops++
17:54:02 <jflory7> mailga / dhanesh95: Definitely noted. :)
17:54:11 <jflory7> Alrighty all - going to go ahead and close out here.
17:54:21 <jflory7> See you all in channel, on a mailing list, in a meeting, or wherever. ;)
17:54:23 <jflory7> Adios!
17:54:26 <jflory7> #endmeeting