21:00:03 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 21:00:03 Meeting started Thu Oct 20 21:00:03 2016 UTC. The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 21:00:04 #meetingname magazine 21:00:04 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 21:00:05 #topic Roll call 21:00:06 .hello pfrields 21:00:07 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 21:00:10 .hello ryanlerch 21:00:11 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' 21:00:14 Ryan!!! 21:00:20 morning stickster! 21:00:25 .hello jflory7 21:00:26 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:00:29 thanks for the edits on the inksape article! 21:00:43 added a few more links and featured image this morning 21:00:48 Morning, ryanlerch! :) 21:00:54 stickster: o/ 21:01:03 morning jflory7 21:01:11 :D 21:01:23 liked your opensource.com article! 21:01:24 ryanlerch: I didn't do much for it, actually -- I got caught up in a problem with the image cdn vs. varnish cache, but fixed it :-) 21:01:40 stickster: oh, how did you fix it! 21:01:42 ryanlerch: Thanks :) 21:01:47 ryanlerch: I could still go through it quickly around this meeting, but I have to bug out on the dot at the hour -- daughter has concert I need to go to 21:01:57 ryanlerch: just turned off jetpack "photon" plugin 21:01:57 i saw it, pinged puiterwijk, but didnt get any further 21:02:09 Shall we get right into it then? 21:02:10 stickster: awesome! 21:02:10 yeah, I talked to him and we agreed on the solution 21:02:11 Oh, what did I do now? 21:02:15 let's get going! 21:02:21 Ah, right. That gif stuff. 21:02:24 puiterwijk: nothing, ryanlerch gave you a gratuitous shout 21:02:32 Ah, okay. 21:02:36 sorry puiterwijk 21:02:42 ryanlerch--, you woke patrickbot :-D 21:02:45 ryanlerch: no problem at all :) 21:02:49 hee hee 21:02:53 stickster: I'll be around for at least 5 more hours :( 21:03:00 :-( 21:03:07 Let's get going since we want to hold on to part of the meeting for starter pitches 21:03:27 * jflory7 nods 21:04:04 #Topic Pending review (new) 21:04:11 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post 21:04:54 #info --- Fedora powered lab --- 21:04:56 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14976&preview=1&_ppp=7d196cdeda 21:04:59 This article looks AWESOME 21:05:35 Nice "testimonial" 21:05:46 Is someone up to edit for a next week publication? 21:06:00 I should have the bandwidth for this. 21:06:06 This does look awesome :) 21:06:45 .fas linuxmodder 21:06:46 linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' 21:06:49 sorry I'm late 21:07:01 #action jflory7 Edit Fedora powered school lab article for publication next week 21:07:14 For what it's worth, I have some last remaining edits on the GRUB article from labbott that I want to add in, and then that one is also good to ship next week (already has featured image done by ryanlerch). 21:07:24 So these two should be good for next week. 21:07:34 awesome jflory7 ! 21:07:45 #action jflory7 Finish edits on GRUB article for publication next week too 21:07:50 +1 21:07:52 jflory7++ 21:07:59 I can do a few edits this weekend possibly and early next week 21:08:03 jflory7++ 21:08:53 #info --- Inkscape articles --- 21:09:04 ryanlerch: were you thinking about trying to take one of these on for next week? 21:09:30 * jflory7 sees this being a good series for the next three Fridays 21:09:33 I can take one of them 21:09:45 re:inkscape 21:10:11 linuxmodder: I think ryanlerch is already in the process of working through these, unless he needs some help reviewing them. :) 21:10:19 stickster: yes! 21:10:25 * jflory7 thinks there's some tech articles in drafts that would be helpful to grab a technical editor for, though 21:10:26 was thinking the wallpaper one 21:10:47 jflory7, like? was not seeing any the other day when I looked 21:11:13 not in pending review, but probably elsewhere linuxmodder 21:11:24 * jflory7 nods 21:11:30 #action ryanlerch Edit inkscape article on wallpaper and do featured image for next week 21:11:32 ryanlerch: Wallpaper one would be nice for next week. 21:11:45 jflory7: ryanlerch: Just a thought, maybe Friday is a good target for that ("fluffy" piece) 21:11:45 ryanlerch: Feel free to go ahead and schedule these for Fridays as you see fit too 21:11:52 GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! 21:11:53 haha 21:11:54 Since we now know that scheduling is fixed. 21:12:07 and we know that jflory7 and I will say the exact same thing one line apart :-) 21:12:08 stickster: lolol, perfect timing... again... for the umpteenth time. ;) 21:12:13 YOU SEE 21:12:14 Again!! 21:12:17 friday++ 21:12:17 ryanlerch: Karma for friday changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:12:31 lol 21:12:46 puiterwijk++ for fixing the cronjob scheduling for the Magazine and CommBlog again, for what it's worth :) 21:13:02 linuxmodder: In the interest of honoring your offer... I'm looking at drafts for a moment 21:13:07 Yeah, I need to get that finally fixed for good 21:13:19 (jflory7: ^) 21:13:29 stickster: I think we can probably switch over to drafts altogether now - I think all the pending are covered! 21:13:30 stickster, jflory7 I'll look post mtg and see but if any peaked interest as such you have my perm to reach out to ask 21:14:04 puiterwijk: Acknowledged. Hopefully should be some time before something forces us to manually fix it again. Would it be helpful for me to file an issue for this to track it or are you fine with noting it for now? 21:14:18 linuxmodder: the WebVR article could use some help... it's missing detail after my edits end (as marked) 21:14:26 jflory7 feel free to pm me if you need help with anything, i see that these guys give you more work here again ó_ò 21:14:29 stickster, noted 21:14:47 +1 for the WebVR article 21:14:50 #action linuxmodder to review WebVR article. 21:14:55 * Rhea waves (also hi) //stops lurking 21:15:12 stickster: Were you waiting further review from Sumantro on that one, by the way? 21:15:18 * jflory7 waves to Rhea 21:15:25 jflory7: I was, but it's been a month so I can't really expect to see it 21:15:44 I think anyone could probably beef up the language and make it clearer at this point 21:15:59 Rhea: Actually, if you're interested in content writing for things like this, I would be more than happy to help introduce you to the Magazine. :) 21:16:02 stickster, I can try to reach out to sumantro as well on that front he follows a few of my social channels 21:16:16 stickster: Sounds good. I can ping him on Telegram to review too – I messaged him not too long ago 21:16:22 linuxmodder: the kicker is the "getting started with your project" part. It needs more detail in what the user is supposed to do to follow along, and why 21:16:29 Likely he just missed edits - he's normally pretty responsive 21:16:46 #topic Drafts 21:16:47 it kind of skips willy nilly to the end very suddenly without spelling out things 21:16:52 stickster, noted, bookmarked and added to TODO 21:16:56 Oh, whoops, I don't think I'm chaired. 21:17:04 oh crap, sorry jflory7 21:17:05 #chair 21:17:17 #chair jflory7 ryanlerch linuxmodder 21:17:17 Current chairs: jflory7 linuxmodder ryanlerch stickster 21:17:20 stickster: Not a problem :) 21:17:22 #topic Drafts 21:17:37 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 21:17:41 #info --- WebVR --- 21:17:50 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=14475&preview=1&_ppp=bf5048dc34 21:18:06 * linuxmodder is catching up on emails from today and making preps for Bsides if oyu need me specifically ping pls 21:18:08 #action linuxmodder to try and get sumantro's attention for WebVR fixes, and/or edit himself for resubmission 21:18:20 ack 21:18:27 Ah, I actually just pinged him on Telegram 21:18:27 thanks linuxmodder 21:18:37 But any other review for this would be helpful 21:18:47 This is definitely an area outside of periphery of knowledge 21:18:57 jflory7: with Rhea here, would it be good to try and hit starter pitches? 21:19:02 * of my knowledge 21:19:21 stickster: Actually, yeah, we could swap over to that now. I would like to spend some focused time on starter pitches today. 21:19:33 * stickster doesn't want to spin wheels too long on normal meeting agenda, if we can benefit more from "priming the pump" for future weeks so as to have lots of material 21:19:35 .hello rhea 21:19:36 Rhea: rhea 'Radka Janek' 21:19:38 cool 21:19:39 o/ Rhea 21:19:42 +1 from me on working on starting pitches! 21:19:52 I'm not native english speaker not sure i'm a good person to do magazine sttuff :P 21:19:52 *starter 21:19:53 #topic Let's have more starter pitches 21:19:54 stickster: 100% agreed on that one 21:20:07 Rhea: we have editors who can help with cleaning up the English part 21:20:22 Rhea: Well, I think your coverage of dotnet things could be an interesting angle to cover. Also, what stickster said ^ 21:20:38 * jflory7 gets to thinking about some ideas 21:20:50 We just want to get people acquainted with a simple topic, and how to write a generally well-structured article 21:21:06 Okay, i'll write about how awesome dotnet is going to get in next few months :P 21:21:31 #info We have a pointer article on how to structure your article, so it flows well and is more likely to get higher search hits 21:21:45 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/how-to-structure-your-article/ 21:22:14 #info this is for general use in explaining how to use software on Fedora 21:22:57 side note never let hits value override the quality of content tho 21:23:19 linuxmodder: correct -- but it's almost never a one-or-the-other choice. 21:23:32 stickster: Do we have any recent data from keywordtool.io? 21:23:37 linuxmodder: the concept we usually go by here is write good quality, useful content, and it will rate higher 21:23:44 on the contrary, the quality of content needs to be structured and written in a way that elevates the search value. 21:23:46 +1 ryanlerch 21:23:49 s/of// 21:25:01 jflory7: here's today's "fedora how to" hits: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/456392/47699868 21:25:08 oops, I should put that in minutes 21:25:09 was not pointing fingers just bringing over an obs form osdc lists 21:25:17 osdc (opensource.com ) 21:25:24 Ooohh 21:25:29 Here's an idea 21:25:49 #idea In light of supplementary wallpaper elections happening, could have an article explaining how to install and use supplementary wallpapers 21:25:59 jflory7: PERFECT 21:26:12 jflory7: awesome! 21:26:16 stickster: The site was easier to use than I realized, I'm scrolling through them now :) 21:26:17 #info keywordtool.io searches for today on 'fedora how to' 21:26:20 #link https://paste.fedoraproject.org/456392/47699868 21:26:30 I'm also trying "fedora linux" is my current search 21:26:37 did the how to make one artcile make it out and slip my view? if not great time to tag team i'd think 21:26:37 jflory7: there is some conetnt oyu mgiht be able to reuse in one of the supplemental wallpaper posts i did a while back 21:26:40 IIRC 21:26:51 "fedora how to burn iso" 21:27:16 "fedora how to downgrade kernel" 21:27:28 also Ben has a blog post he might be willing to let folks scape on making your own respin 21:27:40 "fedora linux disk partitioning" 21:27:43 fedora how to install tar.gz 21:27:50 might be an interestng one too 21:27:50 stickster, via dnf ? via grub ? custom or distro ? 21:27:52 ^ I'm thinking GNOME Disks + USB keys, but I can't remember if we did an article for that 21:28:17 linuxmodder: this is simply booting an earlier kernel. don't overthink it ;-) 21:28:25 also a little harder, since people that use tarballs to distrubute software do this in different ways 21:28:40 #idea How to create a Fedora VM with VirtualBox (how complicated is this and any legal concerns to be aware of?) 21:28:53 ryanlerch: right... some might be apps, as opposed to .configure, make, make install 21:29:03 #idea How to burn a DVD or USB ISO of Fedora (tie this into the new Fedora Media Writer for F25???) 21:29:12 jflory7: ^ yes 21:29:16 ryanlerch, if we do a series that starts with fedora tar ball / srpm that might work then if we branch to 'using other's tarballs' 21:29:30 Oohh! 21:29:34 #idea how to boot an earlier kernel when your updated one has a problem 21:29:44 I like it linuxmodder 21:30:04 OR how to get into a rescue kernel when grub is set to "GRUB_TIMEOUT=0" 21:30:04 #idea how to install and start Apache web server 21:30:19 stickster +1 21:30:27 that last one seems to ring a bell from year's past 21:30:28 Hmm, this might not be a "starter pitch", but I just noticed one top search "fedora linux history", and our anniversary is coming up on November 6. We could do an article talking about the history of the project or something brief to commemorate. Maybe words of wisdom from the FPL... (can revisit this at Open Floor) 21:31:04 Or tie into fedora-jion piece jflory7 21:31:05 #idea how to enable/disable repositories temporarily or permanently 21:31:05 #idea How to use Java in Fedora (getting the JDK, getting an IDE, etc.) 21:31:15 stickster++ good one 21:31:20 linuxmodder: Fedora-jion? 21:31:20 java is evil :) openjdk maybe 21:31:40 minecraft in Fedora ;) 21:31:42 join* as a history and how to start making oyur own history with fedora 21:31:50 jflory7++ history 21:31:59 you had to didn't you ryanlerch 21:32:16 Include some words like quotes from some contributors maybe 21:32:16 ryanlerch: if only we had someone who knew minecraft to write that 21:32:24 ;-P 21:32:25 Rhea: Q - is it possible to get a dotnet development environment in Fedora? Do you know? 21:32:45 lolol... however, a "how to use Minecraft in Fedora" would :100: 21:32:47 Yes, there is official from MS which runs only on F23 21:32:50 jflory7: https://www.microsoft.com/net/core#fedora 21:32:54 I want to leave that open to interpretation 21:32:58 our guys hacked it up for F24 on copr 21:33:03 someone wrote one on ask fedora, but it's not very good 21:33:05 https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/23205/how-do-i-install-and-play-minecraft-on-fedora/ 21:33:14 #idea How to play Minecraft in Fedora 21:33:23 Rhea: nice, because the MS instructions are crap 21:33:26 (surprise) 21:33:38 Rhea: Do you think you might be comfortable with something like "How to get started with dotnet in Fedora"? 21:34:01 jflory7: But as far as an actual thing goes for F24/25 we will be working towards that goal within next few weeks 21:34:17 I see... maybe it would be better to hold off until we have something substantial to show 21:34:28 If it's planned to be official, I think we should wait for that milestone 21:34:38 Yep 21:35:46 stickster ryanlerch Would you consider "how to verify ISOs" a beginner topic? Just the matter of checking their checksums? 21:36:04 I'm playing with different keyword combinations for Fedora, and I keep seeing "fedora X checksum" pop up 21:36:23 I'm trying "fedora workstation" as my current search 21:36:51 I also see "fedora X firewall", but not sure how to get a beginner topic out of that one 21:37:07 jflory7: That seems reasonable to me, since the people most likely to use the ISO images who need to know that are beginners 21:37:12 * jflory7 nods 21:37:18 #idea How to verify Fedora ISO images 21:37:22 jflory7: i would, but not sure we should cover in the magazine, since we allready have this awesome page: 21:37:24 https://getfedora.org/en/verify 21:37:33 ryanlerch: Absolutely there :) 21:37:35 maybe a pointer to that page 21:37:41 would work 21:37:51 #idea How to use Fedora in VMWare / other popular virtualization suite 21:38:36 Interestingly enough, I see a fair amount of ^ this in "fedora workstation" searches... how to use in virtualbox, vmware, etc. 21:39:02 most are crap tho jflory7 21:39:06 How about one about screen capture software? 21:39:10 And lots of queries on the difference between Workstation and Server... 21:40:13 linuxmodder: I'm trying to avoid getting into opinion discussions though with this, I'm just reading back from what the popular search results are. 21:40:22 Rhea: Have anything in mind? 21:40:25 I see worth in that 21:40:33 Just thought about it as i'm looking into shareX 21:40:50 (had to upgrade the whole damn VS to see if its possible to port it) 21:40:55 mikedep333, a x2go article on that maybe? 21:41:06 Rhea: we have done a few about screencapture, but nothing recently IIRC 21:41:52 how to make a snapshot of a vm or bare metal instance (with and without nas / nfs store) seems hot on users@ 21:42:02 Rhea: https://fedoramagazine.org/take-screenshots-on-fedora/ 21:42:18 https://fedoramagazine.org/taking-screencast-fedora/ 21:42:32 https://fedoramagazine.org/screenshot-everything-shutter-fedora/ 21:43:04 ryanlerch++ 21:43:14 linuxmodder: You mean with something like the filesystem? 21:43:37 Might be a tough topic to advise to beginners. I'd love to have a technical person try writing something to cover that. 21:44:28 jflory7, that is hardly difficult for a non tech person tho and should be common practice 21:45:19 sample flow : backup with rsync / tar etc and secure and or push to git /nas etc 21:45:24 stickster ryanlerch: Did we do an article about how to install Chromium in Fedora?? 21:45:46 linuxmodder: Using git / rsync / tar seems more on the technical side to me. :P 21:45:53 jflory7: hmmm, i recall thinking about doing a "chrominum is now in fedora" post 21:45:55 I mean more like a bigger article that would take a look at different tools available on linux and draw an idea for the user what they are about so they can pick whatever they are looking for... 21:45:55 hardly 21:46:06 People have big variety of preferences in this area as I learned recently... 21:46:07 * ryanlerch probably forgot about it :) 21:46:12 that is all media and lack of willing tutors imo 21:46:17 jflory7 +1 for that 21:46:55 ryanlerch: jflory7: A "Chromium now in Fedora" post is a great idea 21:47:00 stickster ryanlerch: Just did a filtered search on the domain for Fedora Magazine on Chromium. We have nothing since the COPRs for Fedora 20. A super easy one now could be how to install Chromium in Fedora since it's packaged now. spot++ 21:47:00 #idea Chromium now in Fedora 21:47:07 +1 21:47:08 spot++ 21:47:08 stickster: Karma for spot changed to 9 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:47:13 spot++ 21:47:15 ryanlerch: Karma for spot changed to 10 (for the f24 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:47:17 COOKIE PARTY! 21:47:20 :) 21:47:47 :D 21:48:22 jflory7, worst case do an beginner > adv series like gpg had a few months back 21:48:25 Rhea: An article that showed off different platforms (and maybe linked back to some of our more specific articles) would be awesome, I think. Like "How to take screenshots in Fedora", cover a little bit of a lot, and we can also throw some life back at our past articles. 21:48:40 I think that would be two birds, one stone. 21:49:00 Time check, 12 minutes left 21:49:07 linuxmodder: it is a good idea, not sure it is useful for a starter pitch 21:49:08 We have some great ideas here 21:49:34 it's a pretty niche subject matter for a expert of it to stumble on and write 21:49:36 linuxmodder: The only thing with a series like that, is that we have to have someone who is able to write the advanced parts. A lot of our series for big things have burnt out because we don't have writers that know how to write more on a given topic. 21:49:47 ryanlerch: yeah, just keeping the goal in mind which is "tightly focused, not too difficult article that a beginning Magazine contributor could write" 21:49:56 jflory7++++++++++++++++++ 21:50:00 ryanlerch, backups are tech issue? 21:50:04 hardly 21:50:07 * stickster is not looking to invoke the series curse 21:50:13 * jflory7 agrees 21:50:23 Also, since we're in the last ten minutes, I think we should change directions. 21:50:34 Is there anyone who might have time to create starter pitches for these? 21:50:37 I would say we can approve a series to publish the next time someone brings us three mostly-finished articles 21:50:38 I could do them over the weekend. 21:50:40 :-) 21:50:42 just my $0.02 21:50:55 I'd like to put one to two lines in each starter pitch explaining the idea and motivation for it, to help anyone that comes across it. 21:50:57 jflory7: I can do some of them over the weekend too 21:51:28 #action jflory7 stickster split the above ideas up randomly, and enter them as starter pitches by next week 21:51:35 Perfect. 21:51:39 jflory7: shift away sir 21:51:40 I can definitely do that. 21:51:52 * stickster needs to run afk shortly for family stuff 21:51:55 That's all I meant by shifting, now we have the plan for bringing these starter pitches to life. :) 21:52:01 Would like to swap over to open floor real fast? 21:52:19 * jflory7 goes for it 21:52:22 #topic Open Floor 21:52:44 #info Cron job scheduling is fixed again (but temporarily pending a long-term fix, remember this for any future WordPress core upgrades) 21:52:48 \o/ 21:52:51 Series... "Mono in Fedora" "DotNet in Fedora" "C# in action" 21:52:57 I wanted to briefly discuss the idea of an anniversary article 21:53:16 this is what, 13 years? 21:53:27 ooooo unlucky number SPOOOOKY o_O 21:53:40 Rhea: If you were interested and willing, would love to help work with you on these since this is a niche area I think we could help innovate in (i.e. being a Linux distro that is friendly for dotnet devs) 21:53:47 stickster: I think so! 21:54:03 I think it would be awesome if mattdm were interested in penning something 21:54:10 Maybe his own words of wisdom or a quick reflection 21:54:19 I think something like that could be fitting 21:54:25 And it would be leading up to F25 the following week 21:54:33 (assuming no blockerS) 21:54:41 Just need to see if his cycles are there. 21:54:56 If not, I could try to pen something but would definitely be wanting some feedback from some others if that is the case. 21:55:07 21:55:21 (I could reach out to mattdm about this idea) 21:56:03 I like the idea 21:56:15 jflory7: yeah a big +1 from me 21:56:30 #action jflory7 Reach out to mattdm about interest in penning an anniversary article for the Fedora Project for Nov. 6 21:56:35 Sweet! 21:56:39 Oh, snap, publishing schedule 21:56:43 Let's decide this superfast 21:56:46 go 21:56:47 #topic Publishing Schedule 21:56:56 We have inkscape tomo and next Friday 21:57:09 Grub + Fedora Lab too 21:57:10 so we had inkscape, lab, grub2 at the very least for next week 21:57:12 yeah 21:57:16 Here goes a #proposed 21:57:41 fedora lab == the computer lab one ? 21:57:51 yeppers 21:57:56 #proposed Friday, Oct. 21: Inkscape Pt. 1; Monday, Oct. 24: GRUB; Wednesday, Oct. 26: Fedora computer lab; Friday, Oct. 26: Inkscape Pt. 2 21:57:58 +1 from me 21:58:06 +1 21:58:11 +2 21:58:21 jflory7, mind a pm post mtg 21:58:24 #agreed FINAL PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Friday, Oct. 21: Inkscape Pt. 1; Monday, Oct. 24: GRUB; Wednesday, Oct. 26: Fedora computer lab; Friday, Oct. 26: Inkscape Pt. 2 21:58:29 linuxmodder: Sure! 21:58:37 I will have about 10-15 minutes or so after 21:58:43 * stickster will pitch in a starter article if he has time, like the Chromium one, for either Tue or Thu, just to feel like he's been useful 21:59:05 stickster: Sweet, sounds good to me. :) I think the Chromium one is definitely one we can find some new writers for 21:59:12 Anyways, I have no other business! 21:59:15 true -- I'll be happy to take a different one 21:59:20 whatever's least in the way 21:59:21 Shall we roll out? 21:59:24 yup 21:59:26 * jflory7 nods 21:59:26 I'll do minutes 21:59:31 .goodbye ryanlerch 21:59:35 ha 21:59:37 .adios jflory7 21:59:39 :P 21:59:43 .arrivederci pfrields 21:59:49 Thanks stickster for chairing. :) stickster++ 21:59:56 stickster++ 21:59:58 thanks for coming, everyone!@ 22:00:02 #endmeeting