15:03:10 <rdieter> #startmeeting kde-sig
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15:03:14 <rdieter> #topic roll call
15:03:31 <rdieter> hi all, friendly kde-sig meeting about to start, who's present today?
15:03:46 * jreznik_ is here
15:05:06 <rdieter> jreznik: may be a short and fast meeting :)
15:05:10 <rdieter> #info jreznik present
15:05:12 <rdieter> #chair jreznik
15:05:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: jreznik rdieter
15:07:40 <dvratil> hola
15:07:50 <lupinix> hi everybody
15:08:32 <rdieter> #info dvratil lupinix present
15:08:35 <rdieter> #chair dvratil lupinix
15:08:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: dvratil jreznik lupinix rdieter
15:09:00 <rdieter> #topic agenda
15:09:15 <rdieter> having anyting to discuss today?
15:09:25 <mbriza> hello
15:09:27 * rdieter had f25 blocker bugs
15:09:33 <rdieter> #info mbriza present
15:09:35 <rdieter> hi
15:09:39 <rdieter> #chair mbriza
15:09:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: dvratil jreznik lupinix mbriza rdieter
15:09:49 <lupinix> i removed liveusb-creator from live composes, package was retired
15:10:00 <mbriza> lupinix: thank you
15:10:06 <lupinix> so one point: do we want to add the replacement "mediawriter"?
15:10:52 <lupinix> most other spins do not ship it afaik
15:10:56 <mbriza> i don't see the purpose of having it on a live image
15:11:01 <lupinix> +1
15:11:21 <mbriza> especially considering everything goes (or doesn't it?) in RAM and the images downloaded are rather large
15:11:46 <rdieter> is there a discussion topic in there somewhere? :)
15:12:03 <mbriza> rdieter: i wanted to talk about the sddm blockers
15:12:20 <rdieter> ok, lets start with that
15:12:23 <rdieter> #topic f25 blockers
15:12:55 <rdieter> I recall 2 plasma-related blockers.  xauth and user-switching
15:13:05 <mbriza> yes, only the switching seems to be a blocker now
15:13:24 <rdieter> xauth has a workaround in place, though it appears a long-term solution may be adding better/improved xauth support to sddm
15:13:35 <mbriza> the xauth problem was worked around by having a dependency in systemd units?
15:14:11 <rdieter> mbriza: no, setting live hostname to be something other than "localhost"
15:14:15 <rdieter> I think
15:14:19 <mbriza> ah
15:14:49 <lupinix> yes: https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/c/85bb31edc6e8eb26c474f668a8accdccdc86121a
15:15:02 <lupinix> is "localhost-live" there
15:15:16 * rdieter filed https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/733
15:16:47 <rdieter> .bug 1382001
15:16:47 <zodbot> rdieter: Bug 1382001 – Switching between users doesn't work and freezes the desktop - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1382001
15:16:47 <rdieter> and ^^
15:17:03 <rdieter> anyone able/willing to look into that one?
15:17:35 <mbriza> i'm going to do that this week and i'm going to pull jgrulich with me
15:17:39 <rdieter> mbriza: were you aware of any other issues (sddm or otherwise)?
15:18:01 <mbriza> no, i just saw sddm on the blocker list and felt kind of responsible
15:18:08 <rdieter> #action mbriza and jgrulich to look into user-switching issues
15:18:55 <rdieter> mbriza: cool, if you could think on medium/long term xauth improvements as suggested in github issue 733, that would be great too
15:19:38 <mbriza> i don't see myself having that much time to invest into that in near future but i will keep that in mind in case nobody steps up
15:19:41 <rdieter> not sure how much work that may be, somewhere betweeen trivial and rocket science I imagine :-P
15:20:02 <mbriza> yeah, i'd have to understand the underlying issue first :)
15:20:42 <rdieter> mbriza: the core issue as I understand it, is that sddm (using /usr/bin/xauth) handles XAuth for the hostname when sddm starts
15:21:03 <rdieter> problem being that dhcp later may end up changing the system hostname, effectively invaliding xauth
15:21:09 <mbriza> i see
15:21:39 <mbriza> maybe using the library calls directly without fiddling with the file would solve the problem
15:22:06 <rdieter> mbriza: that's precisely what was suggested in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1370222#c25
15:22:20 <rdieter> kudos to rstrode
15:22:31 <rdieter> for describing how gdm handles that case
15:23:07 <rdieter> you still have to fiddle with the file, but you have to use semi-advanced setup like FamilyWild
15:23:22 <rdieter> something /usr/bin/xauth (apparently?) doesn't support
15:24:46 <rdieter> halfline++
15:24:50 <rdieter> more cookes for good advice
15:24:54 <rdieter> cookies even
15:25:21 <rdieter> any other f25 related issues to discuss?
15:25:32 <lupinix> nothing here
15:26:34 <rdieter> #topic open discussion
15:26:40 <rdieter> alright, anything else for today?
15:27:00 * rdieter just got mail about availability of plasma-5.8.3
15:27:15 <lupinix> yes, mediawriter: should it be added as replacement for liveusb-creator or just skip it?
15:27:49 <lupinix> because all i've done @kickstarts is removing liveusb-creator, so in theory we've lost a bit of functionality
15:28:04 <rdieter> lupinix: you said you'd removed it, why not add it's replacement?
15:28:24 <lupinix> because i wanted to discuss this here ;)
15:28:49 <lupinix> removed yesterday because package was retired and thus live builds were broken
15:29:13 <rdieter> ok, minimal fixes for broken composes makes sense
15:29:18 <lupinix> also i've never tested mediawriter
15:29:31 <mbriza> sorry, i'm sort of the one who retired the package
15:29:50 <mbriza> and i'm the author of mediawriter
15:29:59 <mbriza> mediawriter works better than liveusb-creator
15:30:11 <mbriza> but i think it really serves no purpose on a live image
15:30:14 <lupinix> nice
15:30:15 <rdieter> I guess I recall seeing the discussions about mediawriter, but wasn't smart enough to be proactive to switch to it
15:30:17 <lupinix> mbriza++
15:30:17 <zodbot> lupinix: Karma for mbriza changed to 1 (for the f24 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:30:47 <rdieter> mbriza: true, no sense on live image
15:31:10 <rdieter> I forget the full reasoning why we added it before
15:31:16 <rdieter> liveusb-creator
15:31:34 <rdieter> I vaguely recall it being a reaction to user requests
15:32:05 <mbriza> if i understand live images correctly, you have everything, including your home folder mounted as RAM storage, is that correct?
15:32:06 <lupinix> kde spin was the only one shipping it (other live composes were not broken and there were no changes in their kickstarts, so they do not have it)
15:32:06 <rdieter> lupinix: do you recall any other spins shipping liveusb-creator (besides plasma)?
15:32:11 <rdieter> ok
15:32:24 <mbriza> because if that's true, there's only a handful of people actually pulling off writing a live image from a live image
15:32:30 <rdieter> I'm ok with leaving it off, anyone else with an opinion?
15:32:32 <mbriza> i image you'd have to have at least 8GB of memory
15:32:53 * lupinix would leave it off too
15:32:59 <Southern_Gentlem> not hard to do with persistance
15:33:05 <rdieter> mbriza: the primary use-case was using in on installed systems (I assume)
15:33:13 <Southern_Gentlem> or a /home paartition
15:33:21 <rdieter> ah, and Southern_Gentlem's case too
15:34:17 <mbriza> my opinion on this topic is not strong though so if you think it's a good idea to have it on the live image, i'm not against it
15:34:32 * rdieter doesn't feel strongly either
15:34:38 <lupinix> +1
15:34:48 <Southern_Gentlem> good to have a mediawriter on the live even it its livecd-tools
15:34:51 <mbriza> it adds just the size of the binary to the image, it depends just on qt5-qtbase, qt5-qtdeclarative and udisks
15:35:00 <mbriza> i think the binary and icons are about 3MB
15:35:41 <mbriza> Size        : 4.7 M
15:35:43 <rdieter> mbriza: does mediacreator support persistence and /home features ?
15:35:49 <mbriza> no
15:36:16 <mbriza> liveusb-creator in the latest releases had that disabled too because it wasn't reliable enough
15:36:22 <rdieter> not that liveusb-creator support for those was very good either, I recall having to use livecd-iso-to-disk
15:36:27 <rdieter> <nod>
15:36:47 <mbriza> mediawriter nowadays is just dd with a fancy ui and integrated checkisomd5
15:37:04 <rdieter> I don't think we ever installed livecd-tools by default though (correct me if I'm wrong)
15:38:09 <rdieter> I guess I'll propose we add mediawriter to the spin then (based primarily on Southern_Gentlem's feedback)
15:38:36 * rdieter votes +1
15:38:41 <mbriza> +1
15:39:07 <rdieter> lupinix, jreznik, dvratil ?
15:39:08 * lupinix can go on and add it to kickstarts for f25 and rawhide at the former place of liveusb-creator
15:39:17 <lupinix> +1
15:39:25 <dvratil> +1
15:39:42 <jreznik> +1
15:39:57 <rdieter> #agreed add mediawriter to plasma spin (replacing liveusb-creator)
15:40:02 <rdieter> lupinix: thanks, please do
15:40:07 <lupinix> ok
15:40:27 <rdieter> lupinix++
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15:40:33 <rdieter> mbriza++
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15:40:47 <mbriza> lupinix++
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15:40:49 <mbriza> rdieter++
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15:41:23 <rdieter> since freeze is today, fyi, looks like f25 will ship with kf5-5.27 + plasma-5.8.2
15:41:37 * rdieter will probably start working on importing 5.8.3 into rawhide later today
15:42:30 <rdieter> anything else?
15:42:39 <lupinix> nothing here
15:44:13 <rdieter> ok, let's close the meeting, thanks everyone!
15:44:16 <rdieter> #endmeeting